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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 05:53 AM
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21. This is particularly insidious though
Shrum has very carefully made it someone else implying that, but not saying that Senator Kerry voted this for political reasons. For Senator Kerry, of all people, this really is unthinkable and it attacks something rare he has always had - integrity.

The facts are that it is far more likely that Kerry voted as he did for exactly the reasons given. His stated reason has never shifted. That reason is also far more consistent with:
- Speaking out in January 2003 before the war and being labelled anti-war. (It wasn't subtle, it was all over the news when after the invasion when the war had the support of 70% of the people - he called for regime change at home.)
- He led the efort on the Phase 2 stuff
- The obvious anger when he spoke of Bush misleading the country to war - which then was NOT based on WMD, but not keeping promises on war of last resort.
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  -Shrum is becoming a cancer in the Democratic Party; and the need to stop spewing RW talking points ProSense  May-28-07 04:55 PM   #0 
  - Becoming?  DemDem07   May-28-07 05:06 PM   #1 
  - He lied about "grave danger"  sandnsea   May-28-07 05:40 PM   #2 
  - well put  venable   May-29-07 12:10 AM   #15 
  - Actually, not long after he moved to NY  pat_k   May-28-07 05:40 PM   #3 
  - "Beltway sphincter"  TorchesAndPitchforks   May-28-07 05:55 PM   #4 
  - . . .and seek out "outsiders" to challenge every assumption. . .  pat_k   May-28-07 06:07 PM   #5 
  - BTW, lifted "beltway sphincter" from Senator  pat_k   May-28-07 06:09 PM   #6 
  - Actually, he's  ProSense   May-28-07 06:25 PM   #7 
  - I agree, prosense  illinoisprogressive   May-28-07 06:52 PM   #8 
  - I believe at the time most knew Bush would take it as permission to go to war.  Tom Joad   May-28-07 09:41 PM   #9 
  - It's more plausible  ProSense   May-28-07 09:49 PM   #10 
  - Why did he speak out in January 2003 before the war?  karynnj   May-29-07 12:00 AM   #13 
  - That really isn't the issue at all, it's a useless diversion  sandnsea   May-29-07 04:14 AM   #20 
  - I don't see Shrum as a cancer.....Honestly,  Rowdyboy   May-28-07 10:28 PM   #11 
  - Shrum is trying to blame others for his mistakes an make money off his own lies.  wisteria   May-28-07 10:54 PM   #12 
  - Who cares about Shrum or Kerry?  Lord Helmet   May-29-07 12:02 AM   #14 
     - It matters because Senator Kerry still matters to many people and is considered a leading Democrat  wisteria   May-29-07 12:12 AM   #16 
        - I mean it's not like he's running for president  Lord Helmet   May-29-07 12:15 AM   #17 
           - Right, it will not affect a presidential campaign involving Kerry, but  ProSense   May-29-07 12:51 AM   #18 
              - don't let it eat at you  Lord Helmet   May-29-07 12:52 AM   #19 
                 - This is particularly insidious though  karynnj   May-29-07 05:53 AM   #21 

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