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185. Thank you Mr. Conason,
As one who respect real journalism, I certainly encourage you to continue in doing what you do; speaking your mind based on facts and not based on what public pressure dictates.

In terms of John Edwards and his quest to become President, his supporter need to understand that his campaign, like the others, will continue to make mistakes in the long run up we have, cause no one is perfect. It is a bigger turn off to have them "Cover" for him everytime he makes one of these campaign misjudgments, as they lose credibility and spend capital of good faith in their quest to rationalize every move he makes.

Once his supporters understand that "protecting and defending" John Edwards at all cost should not be their overarching goal, they will become a much greater force in their support of him and his goals.

If it wasn't for those who freely and honestly criticize some of the bonehead moves made by the campaign, no correctives would occur and John Edwards and his campaign would be the worse off for it.

Thanks again for your time and diligence. If we could have more like you, this entire country would be the wiser for it.

A Wes Clark supporter who corresponded with you during the 2003-04 campaign to inform you that both Howard Dean and Dennis Kucinich had their own issues in reference to the Flag Burning Amendment, to which you researched and humbly acknowledged after your criticism of Gen. Clark...

I did not criticize your right to have stood against Clark on that issue at that time (since I wasn't supportive of Clark's stance on that issue either but understood why he thought as he did) and I certainly didn't write you off due to your opinion on that one issue.
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  -Joe Conason: Edwards' insensitive move WesDem  May-18-07 06:41 PM   #0 
  - I think it's not an intelligent move  Katzenkavalier   May-18-07 06:44 PM   #1 
  - I think you believe everything you hear  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 08:32 PM   #45 
     - I think that disparaging DUers who have opinions different from you  FrenchieCat   May-18-07 08:57 PM   #69 
        - I think you are whining to try and silence my opinion. I'm actually giving DUers credit  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 09:03 PM   #77 
           - You are being disingenious at best......  FrenchieCat   May-18-07 09:14 PM   #81 
              - The message behind what I was saying is if you go and read what Edwards said you will know the truth  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 09:21 PM   #83 
                 - The message behind your insult was fine, however, one is not here  FrenchieCat   May-18-07 09:32 PM   #88 
                    - Thanks for saying what I thought you would, but it changes nothing. They were  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 10:49 PM   #101 
  - While I usualy agree  H2O Man   May-18-07 06:44 PM   #2 
  - What do you think, H2O Man?  WesDem   May-18-07 06:46 PM   #5 
  - Good question.  H2O Man   May-18-07 06:58 PM   #11 
     - Morally speaking, it's a very nice gesture... however,  Katzenkavalier   May-18-07 07:02 PM   #15 
     - My reaction was pretty visceral to the overall concept  WesDem   May-18-07 07:13 PM   #20 
  - He and Gene Lyons were Defenders of Clinton against the RW throughout  KoKo01   May-18-07 08:32 PM   #44 
  - Don't give Conason a pass.  bunkerbuster1   May-19-07 09:31 AM   #133 
  - Thanks for saying that so I did not have to.  madfloridian   May-18-07 11:32 PM   #110 
  - If you read Conason over at Salon, then you know that Conason's nose smells a lot like Clark's ass  Czolgosz   May-19-07 12:14 AM   #116 
  - I think that  H2O Man   May-19-07 05:10 AM   #123 
  - Back in 2003, Consaon was spinning for Clark harder than Clark's paid staff or even Clark himself.  Czolgosz   May-19-07 09:03 AM   #129 
  - I always respect your conclusions, H2O Man  WesDem   May-19-07 09:12 AM   #131 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-19-07 08:33 AM   #127 
     - Just Google "conason clark" and you find plenty of links showing that Conason's a huge Clark fan,  Czolgosz   May-19-07 08:57 AM   #128 
        - In the first two pages of the search, many of those are Consason criticizing Clark  NYCGirl   May-19-07 09:11 AM   #130 
        - "Conason is very much in the Hillary/Clark camp"  WesDem   May-19-07 09:41 AM   #134 
  - Joe is a pro Clinton,  DemDem07   May-20-07 09:00 PM   #158 
  - What better way to honor the troops than to protest an illegal war  AndyA   May-18-07 06:45 PM   #3 
  - Sounds to me like yet another reason to support Edwards if Gore doesn't run.  impeachdubya   May-18-07 06:46 PM   #4 
  - John Edwards is asking for more than a protest. He wants to change the frame to support = bring  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 08:36 PM   #49 
     - Well, Cable "Newz" sucks ass. So I can't speak to what the media is doing.  impeachdubya   May-18-07 08:48 PM   #65 
        - I agree :-)  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 09:01 PM   #74 
  - It's more of a tribute than what 99.9% of Americans will be doing that day  Proud2BAmurkin   May-18-07 06:47 PM   #6 
  - My family visits the graves  WesDem   May-18-07 06:50 PM   #7 
     - That's what most people do  Katzenkavalier   May-18-07 06:52 PM   #9 
     - Wouldn't that be nice?  Inspired   May-18-07 08:11 PM   #37 
     - See, that's what  Xhanatos   May-18-07 09:44 PM   #92 
     - What I do  CarolNYC   May-18-07 08:12 PM   #39 
        - My small town has a parade to the cemetery where the memorial service is held.  amandabeech   May-20-07 08:41 PM   #156 
           - Thanks amanda,  seasonedblue   May-20-07 09:24 PM   #163 
           - Thanks, and I hear you. n/t  amandabeech   May-20-07 09:42 PM   #167 
           - Interesting point about North and South  WesDem   May-21-07 08:40 AM   #175 
  - conason is flat wrong  venable   May-18-07 06:51 PM   #8 
  - How do you think families of the war dead will view it?  WesDem   May-18-07 06:55 PM   #10 
  - You say, "it is not political.".......yet Edwards is not a Veteran......  FrenchieCat   May-18-07 07:06 PM   #19 
  - Who are the veteran candidates?  WesDem   May-18-07 07:50 PM   #32 
     - Here are the candidates who have served.....  FrenchieCat   May-18-07 07:56 PM   #34 
        - Gravel's take would be interesting  WesDem   May-18-07 08:03 PM   #35 
        - I couldn't see Kerry or Clark doing this  WesDem   May-18-07 08:10 PM   #36 
           - Kerry is famous for his protests and gets a lot of criticism  JI7   May-18-07 11:00 PM   #106 
              - Protests, yeah  WesDem   May-19-07 11:14 AM   #142 
              - It's a totally different thing  karynnj   May-19-07 06:17 PM   #145 
  - "If you hold an event on Memorial Day itself, please make sure that everyone you gather knows it is  struggle4progress   May-18-07 09:33 PM   #89 
  - yes, this is what Edwards said, however much the anti-forces wish is were not  venable   May-18-07 09:59 PM   #94 
     - He's calling for people to  seasonedblue   May-19-07 07:55 PM   #149 
  - Good To See I'm In GOOD Company Here Venable! n/t  ChiciB1   May-21-07 09:05 AM   #178 
  - Well it depends on what the campaign's goal is......  FrenchieCat   May-18-07 06:58 PM   #12 
  - It's a crapshoot.  AtomicKitten   May-18-07 06:59 PM   #13 
  - I expect the other candidates will be pressed on this by the media  WesDem   May-18-07 07:04 PM   #16 
  - I don't think it's smart because  seasonedblue   May-18-07 07:02 PM   #14 
  - Yep  MonkeyFunk   May-18-07 08:12 PM   #38 
  - I don't know about suicidal, but not smart, definitely.  TygrBright   May-18-07 07:04 PM   #17 
  - Memorial day should not be political. It's just not what it's about. nt  calteacherguy   May-18-07 07:05 PM   #18 
  - A spectacularly bad idea...  SaveElmer   May-18-07 07:17 PM   #21 
  - Agreed... I thought Edwards was a smarter politician  Katzenkavalier   May-18-07 07:18 PM   #22 
  - Hey, Elmer...we agree! about that.... :) n/t  elizm   May-18-07 07:20 PM   #23 
  - Had to happen someday !  SaveElmer   May-18-07 07:33 PM   #29 
     - Was thinking the same thing....  elizm   May-18-07 07:55 PM   #33 
  - Not a whole lot better than protesting a funeral!  WesDem   May-18-07 07:22 PM   #25 
  - Well there are 365 days in a year.......  FrenchieCat   May-18-07 07:31 PM   #28 
     - He should have talked with  seasonedblue   May-18-07 07:38 PM   #30 
        - We don't know  WesDem   May-18-07 08:40 PM   #54 
  - how can you honor dead veterans...  Bornaginhooligan   May-21-07 11:38 AM   #195 
  - Good for Edwards, again  SLadd   May-18-07 07:21 PM   #24 
  - And you think Americans will see the protesting on Memorial Day as patriotic?  Katzenkavalier   May-18-07 07:23 PM   #26 
  - He said NOT to protest on Monday, Memorial Day. n/t  Inspired   May-18-07 08:41 PM   #56 
     - Was this in the original version on his site the whole time? nt  Sparkly   May-18-07 08:44 PM   #59 
        - Yes, he was never asking for a "protest." As soon as the site launched people were arranging  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 08:50 PM   #68 
           - Thank you  H2O Man   May-19-07 05:12 AM   #124 
           - He's suggesting they bring posters  seasonedblue   May-19-07 07:46 PM   #148 
  - What if he is right?  WesDem   May-18-07 07:25 PM   #27 
  - I already view him as a chickenhawk.  dogman   May-18-07 07:45 PM   #31 
  - Chicken hawks  Edith Ann   May-20-07 07:13 PM   #154 
     - That is one definition, not mine.  dogman   May-20-07 09:53 PM   #169 
  - Here's what Edwards actually said:  struggle4progress   May-18-07 08:13 PM   #40 
  - More specifically, John Edwards calls for various actions.....  FrenchieCat   May-18-07 08:20 PM   #41 
  - self-delete  Sparkly   May-18-07 08:48 PM   #64 
  - Thank you.  H2O Man   May-19-07 05:14 AM   #125 
  - Have you read the website?  Inspired   May-18-07 08:24 PM   #42 
  - Did someone reference "marches at cemeteries?"  Sparkly   May-18-07 08:40 PM   #53 
     - No, I was making a point  Inspired   May-18-07 08:43 PM   #58 
  - Can someone do me a favor?  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 08:31 PM   #43 
  - Thank you and welcome to the DU!  Inspired   May-18-07 08:36 PM   #47 
  - This is an anti-war protest by any definition:  seasonedblue   May-18-07 08:36 PM   #48 
  - Oh the horrors! Edwards is asking us to protest the war!  Inspired   May-18-07 08:39 PM   #52 
  - Uh no...  SaveElmer   May-18-07 08:48 PM   #61 
  - I don't give a damn what day it is on to be honest.  Inspired   May-18-07 08:57 PM   #70 
  - Joe Conason gets things wrong all the time  venable   May-19-07 10:40 AM   #136 
  - I was responding to edwardsdefender  seasonedblue   May-18-07 09:13 PM   #80 
  - Oh, so that one "option" overshadows everything else that he asked for, even though he  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 08:42 PM   #57 
     - No, protesting doesn't  seasonedblue   May-18-07 09:09 PM   #79 
        - "If you think"? I'm talking about what the media know that "most people think of" when they think  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 09:27 PM   #86 
           - thanks for joining the fray  venable   May-19-07 10:52 AM   #137 
           - I think that Edwards is one  seasonedblue   May-19-07 07:41 PM   #147 
              - your anger toward Edwards and Edwards signs is misplaced, IMO  venable   May-21-07 08:16 AM   #173 
                 - I'm not angry,  seasonedblue   May-21-07 09:30 AM   #181 
                    - forgive what you take to be a condescending tone  venable   May-21-07 09:53 AM   #183 
  - I think you are missing the point to some degree.......  FrenchieCat   May-18-07 08:45 PM   #60 
  - Joe Conason doesn't have a point. If he and the rest of the media were interested in being factual  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 08:59 PM   #71 
  - Welcome to DU and good luck taking up for Edwards at this forum  madfloridian   May-18-07 08:48 PM   #63 
  - Oh, it's easy. When people stop believing every lie they hear, it won't be an issue.  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 09:00 PM   #72 
     - Where's the lie?  seasonedblue   May-18-07 09:01 PM   #75 
     - If you don't know by now...there are more ways to lie than to say that something blue is green  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 09:16 PM   #82 
        - This is what is on Edwards'  seasonedblue   May-18-07 09:27 PM   #85 
     - It has nothing to do with a lie or truth.  madfloridian   May-18-07 09:24 PM   #84 
  - Hey, I Just Stated I HAD NOT Read Replies... Just Read This & Want  ChiciB1   May-21-07 09:19 AM   #180 
  - Politically I think it's extremely stupid  WildEyedLiberal   May-18-07 08:35 PM   #46 
  - Politically, I think you believe everything that you hear  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 08:37 PM   #50 
  - Most people do.  WildEyedLiberal   May-18-07 08:41 PM   #55 
  - You don't need to be on the DU to visit that website and see for yourself what Edwards is asking for  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 08:48 PM   #62 
     - The story isn't fabricated, and therefore isn't a smear.  seasonedblue   May-18-07 09:00 PM   #73 
  - So you think it's a good political move for Edwards  WesDem   May-18-07 08:48 PM   #66 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   May-18-07 09:02 PM   #76 
  - Yeah  WesDem   May-18-07 08:37 PM   #51 
  - It looks like the site was edited...  Sparkly   May-18-07 08:49 PM   #67 
  - I think you're right Sparkly  seasonedblue   May-18-07 09:04 PM   #78 
  - Now that's interesting  WesDem   May-18-07 09:29 PM   #87 
  - I tried the Wayback Machine  WesDem   May-18-07 09:39 PM   #91 
  - I don't believe you guys are doing this....accusing him of editing..  madfloridian   May-18-07 11:46 PM   #112 
     - agreed  venable   May-19-07 10:54 AM   #138 
     - I sent him a message to ask.  Sparkly   May-19-07 11:00 AM   #139 
     - Wait a sec -- it was sent in an EMAIL early on... Anybody here get that email?  Sparkly   May-19-07 11:11 AM   #141 
        - Here is the email:  1932   May-20-07 08:32 AM   #152 
           - I Got The Email AND I Bought TWO Shirts! The Email I Got Did Not  ChiciB1   May-21-07 02:16 PM   #221 
  - the Conason article, this sentence  FrenchieCat   May-18-07 09:45 PM   #93 
  - Interesting!  Katzenkavalier   May-18-07 10:50 PM   #103 
  - I think that Edwards should fire the person who put out the earlier version.  amandabeech   May-20-07 08:55 PM   #157 
  - Bad move, politicizing Memorial Day--no one should reap any kind  wienerdoggie   May-18-07 09:36 PM   #90 
  - Conason is the one politicizing  venable   May-18-07 10:00 PM   #95 
     - Sorry, but I smell the whiff of political opportunism here. Folks  wienerdoggie   May-18-07 10:10 PM   #97 
        - Edwards DID NOT ask for protests on that day  venable   May-18-07 11:26 PM   #108 
  - Supporters of 3 different candidates are jumping on Edwards...  madfloridian   May-18-07 10:08 PM   #96 
  - Ya know what is obvious?  Andrew_Lindsey   May-18-07 10:26 PM   #98 
     - You got that right  WesDem   May-18-07 10:34 PM   #99 
     - Exactly  Katzenkavalier   May-18-07 10:54 PM   #104 
     - People are noticing who is doing the jumping.  madfloridian   May-18-07 11:25 PM   #107 
        - OK - I wasn't going to comment on this, but YOU are making  Clark2008   May-19-07 09:41 PM   #151 
     - That's pathetic. It's a big pile on. DU should not let this stuff keep on.  madfloridian   May-18-07 11:28 PM   #109 
  - Such faux outrage! Memorial Day is a day of cookouts, beer guzzling, and car racing  IndianaGreen   May-18-07 10:39 PM   #100 
  - Some people honor their lost loved ones, you know...  Katzenkavalier   May-18-07 10:55 PM   #105 
     - You said it yourself: "THEIR lost loved ones." The rest of us are more concerned about the brats  IndianaGreen   May-18-07 11:54 PM   #113 
        - I have no fallen soldiers in my family, but I still think about war dead not hotdogs on Memorial Day  Psephos   May-20-07 09:08 PM   #160 
        - I shed tears on the graves of the fallen on Memorial Day,  amandabeech   May-20-07 09:13 PM   #161 
  - i thought Memorial Day was about Barbeques and picnics  JI7   May-18-07 10:50 PM   #102 
  - Read a little history. It might change your view of the day.  amandabeech   May-20-07 09:17 PM   #162 
  - Let me get this straight...Edwards is accused of editing...PLUS  madfloridian   May-18-07 11:37 PM   #111 
  - Once the primary is over, I fear.  Katzenkavalier   May-19-07 12:06 AM   #115 
     - You seem proud.  madfloridian   May-19-07 12:33 AM   #119 
        - He just seems realistic.  FrenchieCat   May-19-07 12:34 AM   #120 
        - Me? Proud? Come on, mad...  Katzenkavalier   May-19-07 12:38 AM   #121 
  - It could be bad as people may take it as disrespect or posturing.  illinoisprogressive   May-19-07 12:06 AM   #114 
  - Edwards can easily fix this one  sampsonblk   May-19-07 12:19 AM   #117 
  - Very good idea!  Katzenkavalier   May-19-07 12:20 AM   #118 
     - Support the troops End the War  applegreen   May-19-07 12:38 AM   #122 
        - You don't get it.  MH1   May-19-07 09:21 AM   #132 
        - I think I get it  venable   May-19-07 10:32 AM   #135 
           - You DO get it!!! n/t  Inspired   May-19-07 11:37 AM   #143 
           - But can you get average Americans to agree with your view? n/t  MH1   May-19-07 11:40 AM   #144 
              - IMHO, probably not. n/t  amandabeech   May-20-07 09:32 PM   #165 
        - Edwards is my favorite, and he was my favorite in 2004.  amandabeech   May-20-07 09:31 PM   #164 
  - AntiWar  Edith Ann   May-19-07 05:32 AM   #126 
  - Since Clark supporters have been doing those things, without the  WesDem   May-19-07 11:04 AM   #140 
     - there's not a person on this board  venable   May-19-07 07:40 PM   #146 
        - Age  Edith Ann   May-20-07 07:04 PM   #153 
        - he was born in 54 I think  venable   May-20-07 09:07 PM   #159 
           - He was living in a small town in North Carolina.  amandabeech   May-20-07 09:34 PM   #166 
        - I will be clearer for you, venable  WesDem   May-21-07 10:05 AM   #184 
           - WesDem, why are you doing this?  madfloridian   May-21-07 10:46 AM   #186 
           - you are making something out of nothing  venable   May-21-07 11:23 AM   #190 
  - We absolutely SHOULD protest on Memorial Day and every other day  alarimer   May-19-07 09:38 PM   #150 
  - Why I still dislike Edwards  riverdale   May-20-07 08:10 PM   #155 
  - Political Suicide  justinrr1   May-20-07 09:46 PM   #168 
  - suicide  Edith Ann   May-21-07 06:06 AM   #170 
  - Three quick points  Joe Conason   May-21-07 08:04 AM   #171 
  - Welcome to DU!  MH1   May-21-07 08:12 AM   #172 
  - Very nice of you, Joe  WesDem   May-21-07 08:25 AM   #174 
  - Thanks for clarifiying, Joe! I'm a long-time Salon subscriber  wienerdoggie   May-21-07 08:59 AM   #176 
  - Thanks for stepping in to add more clarification.  seasonedblue   May-21-07 09:47 AM   #182 
  - Thank you Mr. Conason,  FrenchieCat   May-21-07 10:38 AM   #185 
  - Joe Conason, you fell for right wing talking points.  madfloridian   May-21-07 10:48 AM   #187 
  - MadFlo,  FrenchieCat   May-21-07 10:54 AM   #188 
  - It is a false premise, that he was dishonoring troops.  madfloridian   May-21-07 11:04 AM   #189 
     - To clarify,  FrenchieCat   May-21-07 11:36 AM   #194 
        - The comments are openly posted at Salon.  madfloridian   May-21-07 11:40 AM   #198 
  - You should thank Joe  WesDem   May-21-07 11:26 AM   #191 
     - Adjust for what? What did Edwards do wrong? And why are you doing this?  madfloridian   May-21-07 11:38 AM   #196 
        - Did you miss this point?  WesDem   May-21-07 11:44 AM   #199 
        - Conason just wrote that Edwards did not support veterans.  madfloridian   May-21-07 11:49 AM   #201 
           - It's all a plot, a conspiracy!!  WesDem   May-21-07 11:51 AM   #202 
        - Your complete defense of Edwards - all the damn time - sounds  Clark2008   May-21-07 12:00 PM   #203 
           - You are comparing me with the ones who support Bush? Oh, gosh.  madfloridian   May-21-07 12:12 PM   #205 
              - He tried to turn a solemn day into a political occasion.  Clark2008   May-21-07 12:23 PM   #209 
                 - Well, as you guys point out so often, I am not very bright...  madfloridian   May-21-07 12:27 PM   #211 
  - the replies on Salon say it all  venable   May-21-07 11:31 AM   #193 
  - Please......  FrenchieCat   May-21-07 11:47 AM   #200 
  - Do you support veterans?  Bornaginhooligan   May-21-07 11:40 AM   #197 
  - Hey Joe!  AtomicKitten   May-21-07 01:51 PM   #220 
  - I Generally Respect Almost All Of Joe C's Views, But THIS TIME...  ChiciB1   May-21-07 09:03 AM   #177 
  - Leave Memorial Day alone. Respect the somber purpose of the day, and leave it alone.  wienerdoggie   May-21-07 09:12 AM   #179 
  - This whole thing is false. It is fear of the right wing all over again.  madfloridian   May-21-07 11:30 AM   #192 
     - This thread would have gone to about 30 posts IMO,  seasonedblue   May-21-07 12:12 PM   #204 
        - Now I don't respect other people's feelings?  madfloridian   May-21-07 12:13 PM   #206 
        - Do you?  seasonedblue   May-21-07 12:18 PM   #207 
        - this refrain is heard too often and is disingenuous  venable   May-21-07 12:18 PM   #208 
           - Yes, in fact Clarkies  seasonedblue   May-21-07 12:26 PM   #210 
           - Oh, yes it does - I have NEVER on this board seen more thin  Clark2008   May-21-07 12:33 PM   #212 
           - Comparing us to Bush supporters is very objectionable.  madfloridian   May-21-07 12:38 PM   #214 
              - Calling those who prefer that protesting the Iraq war is best done  FrenchieCat   May-21-07 12:51 PM   #215 
              - to be fair I was the one that brought Clark into this  venable   May-21-07 12:55 PM   #216 
              - Maybe if we stopped posting to the thread  WesDem   May-21-07 12:57 PM   #217 
                 - I agree, I'm done with this thread unless  seasonedblue   May-21-07 01:00 PM   #218 
                    - I'm going shopping!  WesDem   May-21-07 01:13 PM   #219 
           - "The thin skin does not belong to Edwards supporters."  FrenchieCat   May-21-07 12:36 PM   #213 

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