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111. Let me get this straight...Edwards is accused of editing...PLUS
hiding it from the Wayback Machine.

Good Lord, when does it end?
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  -Joe Conason: Edwards' insensitive move WesDem  May-18-07 06:41 PM   #0 
  - I think it's not an intelligent move  Katzenkavalier   May-18-07 06:44 PM   #1 
  - I think you believe everything you hear  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 08:32 PM   #45 
     - I think that disparaging DUers who have opinions different from you  FrenchieCat   May-18-07 08:57 PM   #69 
        - I think you are whining to try and silence my opinion. I'm actually giving DUers credit  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 09:03 PM   #77 
           - You are being disingenious at best......  FrenchieCat   May-18-07 09:14 PM   #81 
              - The message behind what I was saying is if you go and read what Edwards said you will know the truth  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 09:21 PM   #83 
                 - The message behind your insult was fine, however, one is not here  FrenchieCat   May-18-07 09:32 PM   #88 
                    - Thanks for saying what I thought you would, but it changes nothing. They were  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 10:49 PM   #101 
  - While I usualy agree  H2O Man   May-18-07 06:44 PM   #2 
  - What do you think, H2O Man?  WesDem   May-18-07 06:46 PM   #5 
  - Good question.  H2O Man   May-18-07 06:58 PM   #11 
     - Morally speaking, it's a very nice gesture... however,  Katzenkavalier   May-18-07 07:02 PM   #15 
     - My reaction was pretty visceral to the overall concept  WesDem   May-18-07 07:13 PM   #20 
  - He and Gene Lyons were Defenders of Clinton against the RW throughout  KoKo01   May-18-07 08:32 PM   #44 
  - Don't give Conason a pass.  bunkerbuster1   May-19-07 09:31 AM   #133 
  - Thanks for saying that so I did not have to.  madfloridian   May-18-07 11:32 PM   #110 
  - If you read Conason over at Salon, then you know that Conason's nose smells a lot like Clark's ass  Czolgosz   May-19-07 12:14 AM   #116 
  - I think that  H2O Man   May-19-07 05:10 AM   #123 
  - Back in 2003, Consaon was spinning for Clark harder than Clark's paid staff or even Clark himself.  Czolgosz   May-19-07 09:03 AM   #129 
  - I always respect your conclusions, H2O Man  WesDem   May-19-07 09:12 AM   #131 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-19-07 08:33 AM   #127 
     - Just Google "conason clark" and you find plenty of links showing that Conason's a huge Clark fan,  Czolgosz   May-19-07 08:57 AM   #128 
        - In the first two pages of the search, many of those are Consason criticizing Clark  NYCGirl   May-19-07 09:11 AM   #130 
        - "Conason is very much in the Hillary/Clark camp"  WesDem   May-19-07 09:41 AM   #134 
  - Joe is a pro Clinton,  DemDem07   May-20-07 09:00 PM   #158 
  - What better way to honor the troops than to protest an illegal war  AndyA   May-18-07 06:45 PM   #3 
  - Sounds to me like yet another reason to support Edwards if Gore doesn't run.  impeachdubya   May-18-07 06:46 PM   #4 
  - John Edwards is asking for more than a protest. He wants to change the frame to support = bring  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 08:36 PM   #49 
     - Well, Cable "Newz" sucks ass. So I can't speak to what the media is doing.  impeachdubya   May-18-07 08:48 PM   #65 
        - I agree :-)  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 09:01 PM   #74 
  - It's more of a tribute than what 99.9% of Americans will be doing that day  Proud2BAmurkin   May-18-07 06:47 PM   #6 
  - My family visits the graves  WesDem   May-18-07 06:50 PM   #7 
     - That's what most people do  Katzenkavalier   May-18-07 06:52 PM   #9 
     - Wouldn't that be nice?  Inspired   May-18-07 08:11 PM   #37 
     - See, that's what  Xhanatos   May-18-07 09:44 PM   #92 
     - What I do  CarolNYC   May-18-07 08:12 PM   #39 
        - My small town has a parade to the cemetery where the memorial service is held.  amandabeech   May-20-07 08:41 PM   #156 
           - Thanks amanda,  seasonedblue   May-20-07 09:24 PM   #163 
           - Thanks, and I hear you. n/t  amandabeech   May-20-07 09:42 PM   #167 
           - Interesting point about North and South  WesDem   May-21-07 08:40 AM   #175 
  - conason is flat wrong  venable   May-18-07 06:51 PM   #8 
  - How do you think families of the war dead will view it?  WesDem   May-18-07 06:55 PM   #10 
  - You say, "it is not political.".......yet Edwards is not a Veteran......  FrenchieCat   May-18-07 07:06 PM   #19 
  - Who are the veteran candidates?  WesDem   May-18-07 07:50 PM   #32 
     - Here are the candidates who have served.....  FrenchieCat   May-18-07 07:56 PM   #34 
        - Gravel's take would be interesting  WesDem   May-18-07 08:03 PM   #35 
        - I couldn't see Kerry or Clark doing this  WesDem   May-18-07 08:10 PM   #36 
           - Kerry is famous for his protests and gets a lot of criticism  JI7   May-18-07 11:00 PM   #106 
              - Protests, yeah  WesDem   May-19-07 11:14 AM   #142 
              - It's a totally different thing  karynnj   May-19-07 06:17 PM   #145 
  - "If you hold an event on Memorial Day itself, please make sure that everyone you gather knows it is  struggle4progress   May-18-07 09:33 PM   #89 
  - yes, this is what Edwards said, however much the anti-forces wish is were not  venable   May-18-07 09:59 PM   #94 
     - He's calling for people to  seasonedblue   May-19-07 07:55 PM   #149 
  - Good To See I'm In GOOD Company Here Venable! n/t  ChiciB1   May-21-07 09:05 AM   #178 
  - Well it depends on what the campaign's goal is......  FrenchieCat   May-18-07 06:58 PM   #12 
  - It's a crapshoot.  AtomicKitten   May-18-07 06:59 PM   #13 
  - I expect the other candidates will be pressed on this by the media  WesDem   May-18-07 07:04 PM   #16 
  - I don't think it's smart because  seasonedblue   May-18-07 07:02 PM   #14 
  - Yep  MonkeyFunk   May-18-07 08:12 PM   #38 
  - I don't know about suicidal, but not smart, definitely.  TygrBright   May-18-07 07:04 PM   #17 
  - Memorial day should not be political. It's just not what it's about. nt  calteacherguy   May-18-07 07:05 PM   #18 
  - A spectacularly bad idea...  SaveElmer   May-18-07 07:17 PM   #21 
  - Agreed... I thought Edwards was a smarter politician  Katzenkavalier   May-18-07 07:18 PM   #22 
  - Hey, Elmer...we agree!..how about that.... :) n/t  elizm   May-18-07 07:20 PM   #23 
  - Had to happen someday !  SaveElmer   May-18-07 07:33 PM   #29 
     - Was thinking the same thing....  elizm   May-18-07 07:55 PM   #33 
  - Not a whole lot better than protesting a funeral!  WesDem   May-18-07 07:22 PM   #25 
  - Well there are 365 days in a year.......  FrenchieCat   May-18-07 07:31 PM   #28 
     - He should have talked with  seasonedblue   May-18-07 07:38 PM   #30 
        - We don't know  WesDem   May-18-07 08:40 PM   #54 
  - how can you honor dead veterans...  Bornaginhooligan   May-21-07 11:38 AM   #195 
  - Good for Edwards, again  SLadd   May-18-07 07:21 PM   #24 
  - And you think Americans will see the protesting on Memorial Day as patriotic?  Katzenkavalier   May-18-07 07:23 PM   #26 
  - He said NOT to protest on Monday, Memorial Day. n/t  Inspired   May-18-07 08:41 PM   #56 
     - Was this in the original version on his site the whole time? nt  Sparkly   May-18-07 08:44 PM   #59 
        - Yes, he was never asking for a "protest." As soon as the site launched people were arranging  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 08:50 PM   #68 
           - Thank you  H2O Man   May-19-07 05:12 AM   #124 
           - He's suggesting they bring posters  seasonedblue   May-19-07 07:46 PM   #148 
  - What if he is right?  WesDem   May-18-07 07:25 PM   #27 
  - I already view him as a chickenhawk.  dogman   May-18-07 07:45 PM   #31 
  - Chicken hawks  Edith Ann   May-20-07 07:13 PM   #154 
     - That is one definition, not mine.  dogman   May-20-07 09:53 PM   #169 
  - Here's what Edwards actually said:  struggle4progress   May-18-07 08:13 PM   #40 
  - More specifically, John Edwards calls for various actions.....  FrenchieCat   May-18-07 08:20 PM   #41 
  - self-delete  Sparkly   May-18-07 08:48 PM   #64 
  - Thank you.  H2O Man   May-19-07 05:14 AM   #125 
  - Have you read the website?  Inspired   May-18-07 08:24 PM   #42 
  - Did someone reference "marches at cemeteries?"  Sparkly   May-18-07 08:40 PM   #53 
     - No, I was making a point  Inspired   May-18-07 08:43 PM   #58 
  - Can someone do me a favor?  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 08:31 PM   #43 
  - Thank you and welcome to the DU!  Inspired   May-18-07 08:36 PM   #47 
  - This is an anti-war protest by any definition:  seasonedblue   May-18-07 08:36 PM   #48 
  - Oh the horrors! Edwards is asking us to protest the war!  Inspired   May-18-07 08:39 PM   #52 
  - Uh no...  SaveElmer   May-18-07 08:48 PM   #61 
  - I don't give a damn what day it is on to be honest.  Inspired   May-18-07 08:57 PM   #70 
  - Joe Conason gets things wrong all the time  venable   May-19-07 10:40 AM   #136 
  - I was responding to edwardsdefender  seasonedblue   May-18-07 09:13 PM   #80 
  - Oh, so that one "option" overshadows everything else that he asked for, even though he  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 08:42 PM   #57 
     - No, protesting doesn't  seasonedblue   May-18-07 09:09 PM   #79 
        - "If you think"? I'm talking about what the media know that "most people think of" when they think  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 09:27 PM   #86 
           - thanks for joining the fray  venable   May-19-07 10:52 AM   #137 
           - I think that Edwards is one  seasonedblue   May-19-07 07:41 PM   #147 
              - your anger toward Edwards and Edwards signs is misplaced, IMO  venable   May-21-07 08:16 AM   #173 
                 - I'm not angry,  seasonedblue   May-21-07 09:30 AM   #181 
                    - forgive what you take to be a condescending tone  venable   May-21-07 09:53 AM   #183 
  - I think you are missing the point to some degree.......  FrenchieCat   May-18-07 08:45 PM   #60 
  - Joe Conason doesn't have a point. If he and the rest of the media were interested in being factual  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 08:59 PM   #71 
  - Welcome to DU and good luck taking up for Edwards at this forum  madfloridian   May-18-07 08:48 PM   #63 
  - Oh, it's easy. When people stop believing every lie they hear, it won't be an issue.  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 09:00 PM   #72 
     - Where's the lie?  seasonedblue   May-18-07 09:01 PM   #75 
     - If you don't know by now...there are more ways to lie than to say that something blue is green  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 09:16 PM   #82 
        - This is what is on Edwards'  seasonedblue   May-18-07 09:27 PM   #85 
     - It has nothing to do with a lie or truth.  madfloridian   May-18-07 09:24 PM   #84 
  - Hey, I Just Stated I HAD NOT Read Replies... Just Read This & Want  ChiciB1   May-21-07 09:19 AM   #180 
  - Politically I think it's extremely stupid  WildEyedLiberal   May-18-07 08:35 PM   #46 
  - Politically, I think you believe everything that you hear  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 08:37 PM   #50 
  - Most people do.  WildEyedLiberal   May-18-07 08:41 PM   #55 
  - You don't need to be on the DU to visit that website and see for yourself what Edwards is asking for  edwardsdefender   May-18-07 08:48 PM   #62 
     - The story isn't fabricated, and therefore isn't a smear.  seasonedblue   May-18-07 09:00 PM   #73 
  - So you think it's a good political move for Edwards  WesDem   May-18-07 08:48 PM   #66 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   May-18-07 09:02 PM   #76 
  - Yeah  WesDem   May-18-07 08:37 PM   #51 
  - It looks like the site was edited...  Sparkly   May-18-07 08:49 PM   #67 
  - I think you're right Sparkly  seasonedblue   May-18-07 09:04 PM   #78 
  - Now that's interesting  WesDem   May-18-07 09:29 PM   #87 
  - I tried the Wayback Machine  WesDem   May-18-07 09:39 PM   #91 
  - I don't believe you guys are doing this....accusing him of editing..  madfloridian   May-18-07 11:46 PM   #112 
     - agreed  venable   May-19-07 10:54 AM   #138 
     - I sent him a message to ask.  Sparkly   May-19-07 11:00 AM   #139 
     - Wait a sec -- it was sent in an EMAIL early on... Anybody here get that email?  Sparkly   May-19-07 11:11 AM   #141 
        - Here is the email:  1932   May-20-07 08:32 AM   #152 
           - I Got The Email AND I Bought TWO Shirts! The Email I Got Did Not  ChiciB1   May-21-07 02:16 PM   #221 
  - Yes.....in the Conason article, this sentence  FrenchieCat   May-18-07 09:45 PM   #93 
  - Interesting!  Katzenkavalier   May-18-07 10:50 PM   #103 
  - I think that Edwards should fire the person who put out the earlier version.  amandabeech   May-20-07 08:55 PM   #157 
  - Bad move, politicizing Memorial Day--no one should reap any kind  wienerdoggie   May-18-07 09:36 PM   #90 
  - Conason is the one politicizing  venable   May-18-07 10:00 PM   #95 
     - Sorry, but I smell the whiff of political opportunism here. Folks  wienerdoggie   May-18-07 10:10 PM   #97 
        - Edwards DID NOT ask for protests on that day  venable   May-18-07 11:26 PM   #108 
  - Supporters of 3 different candidates are jumping on Edwards...  madfloridian   May-18-07 10:08 PM   #96 
  - Ya know what is obvious?  Andrew_Lindsey   May-18-07 10:26 PM   #98 
     - You got that right  WesDem   May-18-07 10:34 PM   #99 
     - Exactly  Katzenkavalier   May-18-07 10:54 PM   #104 
     - People are noticing who is doing the jumping.  madfloridian   May-18-07 11:25 PM   #107 
        - OK - I wasn't going to comment on this, but YOU are making  Clark2008   May-19-07 09:41 PM   #151 
     - That's pathetic. It's a big pile on. DU should not let this stuff keep on.  madfloridian   May-18-07 11:28 PM   #109 
  - Such faux outrage! Memorial Day is a day of cookouts, beer guzzling, and car racing  IndianaGreen   May-18-07 10:39 PM   #100 
  - Some people honor their lost loved ones, you know...  Katzenkavalier   May-18-07 10:55 PM   #105 
     - You said it yourself: "THEIR lost loved ones." The rest of us are more concerned about the brats  IndianaGreen   May-18-07 11:54 PM   #113 
        - I have no fallen soldiers in my family, but I still think about war dead not hotdogs on Memorial Day  Psephos   May-20-07 09:08 PM   #160 
        - I shed tears on the graves of the fallen on Memorial Day,  amandabeech   May-20-07 09:13 PM   #161 
  - i thought Memorial Day was about Barbeques and picnics  JI7   May-18-07 10:50 PM   #102 
  - Read a little history. It might change your view of the day.  amandabeech   May-20-07 09:17 PM   #162 
  - Let me get this straight...Edwards is accused of editing...PLUS  madfloridian   May-18-07 11:37 PM   #111 
  - Once the primary is over, I fear.  Katzenkavalier   May-19-07 12:06 AM   #115 
     - You seem proud.  madfloridian   May-19-07 12:33 AM   #119 
        - He just seems realistic.  FrenchieCat   May-19-07 12:34 AM   #120 
        - Me? Proud? Come on, mad...  Katzenkavalier   May-19-07 12:38 AM   #121 
  - It could be bad as people may take it as disrespect or posturing.  illinoisprogressive   May-19-07 12:06 AM   #114 
  - Edwards can easily fix this one  sampsonblk   May-19-07 12:19 AM   #117 
  - Very good idea!  Katzenkavalier   May-19-07 12:20 AM   #118 
     - Support the troops End the War  applegreen   May-19-07 12:38 AM   #122 
        - You don't get it.  MH1   May-19-07 09:21 AM   #132 
        - I think I get it  venable   May-19-07 10:32 AM   #135 
           - You DO get it!!! n/t  Inspired   May-19-07 11:37 AM   #143 
           - But can you get average Americans to agree with your view? n/t  MH1   May-19-07 11:40 AM   #144 
              - IMHO, probably not. n/t  amandabeech   May-20-07 09:32 PM   #165 
        - Edwards is my favorite, and he was my favorite in 2004.  amandabeech   May-20-07 09:31 PM   #164 
  - AntiWar  Edith Ann   May-19-07 05:32 AM   #126 
  - Since Clark supporters have been doing those things, without the  WesDem   May-19-07 11:04 AM   #140 
     - there's not a person on this board  venable   May-19-07 07:40 PM   #146 
        - Age  Edith Ann   May-20-07 07:04 PM   #153 
        - he was born in 54 I think  venable   May-20-07 09:07 PM   #159 
           - He was living in a small town in North Carolina.  amandabeech   May-20-07 09:34 PM   #166 
        - I will be clearer for you, venable  WesDem   May-21-07 10:05 AM   #184 
           - WesDem, why are you doing this?  madfloridian   May-21-07 10:46 AM   #186 
           - you are making something out of nothing  venable   May-21-07 11:23 AM   #190 
  - We absolutely SHOULD protest on Memorial Day and every other day  alarimer   May-19-07 09:38 PM   #150 
  - Why I still dislike Edwards  riverdale   May-20-07 08:10 PM   #155 
  - Political Suicide  justinrr1   May-20-07 09:46 PM   #168 
  - suicide  Edith Ann   May-21-07 06:06 AM   #170 
  - Three quick points  Joe Conason   May-21-07 08:04 AM   #171 
  - Welcome to DU!  MH1   May-21-07 08:12 AM   #172 
  - Very nice of you, Joe  WesDem   May-21-07 08:25 AM   #174 
  - Thanks for clarifiying, Joe! I'm a long-time Salon subscriber  wienerdoggie   May-21-07 08:59 AM   #176 
  - Thanks for stepping in to add more clarification.  seasonedblue   May-21-07 09:47 AM   #182 
  - Thank you Mr. Conason,  FrenchieCat   May-21-07 10:38 AM   #185 
  - Joe Conason, you fell for right wing talking points.  madfloridian   May-21-07 10:48 AM   #187 
  - MadFlo,  FrenchieCat   May-21-07 10:54 AM   #188 
  - It is a false premise, that he was dishonoring troops.  madfloridian   May-21-07 11:04 AM   #189 
     - To clarify,  FrenchieCat   May-21-07 11:36 AM   #194 
        - The comments are openly posted at Salon.  madfloridian   May-21-07 11:40 AM   #198 
  - You should thank Joe  WesDem   May-21-07 11:26 AM   #191 
     - Adjust for what? What did Edwards do wrong? And why are you doing this?  madfloridian   May-21-07 11:38 AM   #196 
        - Did you miss this point?  WesDem   May-21-07 11:44 AM   #199 
        - Conason just wrote that Edwards did not support veterans.  madfloridian   May-21-07 11:49 AM   #201 
           - It's all a plot, a conspiracy!!  WesDem   May-21-07 11:51 AM   #202 
        - Your complete defense of Edwards - all the damn time - sounds  Clark2008   May-21-07 12:00 PM   #203 
           - You are comparing me with the ones who support Bush? Oh, gosh.  madfloridian   May-21-07 12:12 PM   #205 
              - He tried to turn a solemn day into a political occasion.  Clark2008   May-21-07 12:23 PM   #209 
                 - Well, as you guys point out so often, I am not very bright...  madfloridian   May-21-07 12:27 PM   #211 
  - the replies on Salon say it all  venable   May-21-07 11:31 AM   #193 
  - Please......  FrenchieCat   May-21-07 11:47 AM   #200 
  - Do you support veterans?  Bornaginhooligan   May-21-07 11:40 AM   #197 
  - Hey Joe!  AtomicKitten   May-21-07 01:51 PM   #220 
  - I Generally Respect Almost All Of Joe C's Views, But THIS TIME...  ChiciB1   May-21-07 09:03 AM   #177 
  - Leave Memorial Day alone. Respect the somber purpose of the day, and leave it alone.  wienerdoggie   May-21-07 09:12 AM   #179 
  - This whole thing is false. It is fear of the right wing all over again.  madfloridian   May-21-07 11:30 AM   #192 
     - This thread would have gone to about 30 posts IMO,  seasonedblue   May-21-07 12:12 PM   #204 
        - Now I don't respect other people's feelings?  madfloridian   May-21-07 12:13 PM   #206 
        - Do you?  seasonedblue   May-21-07 12:18 PM   #207 
        - this refrain is heard too often and is disingenuous  venable   May-21-07 12:18 PM   #208 
           - Yes, in fact Clarkies  seasonedblue   May-21-07 12:26 PM   #210 
           - Oh, yes it does - I have NEVER on this board seen more thin  Clark2008   May-21-07 12:33 PM   #212 
           - Comparing us to Bush supporters is very objectionable.  madfloridian   May-21-07 12:38 PM   #214 
              - Calling those who prefer that protesting the Iraq war is best done  FrenchieCat   May-21-07 12:51 PM   #215 
              - to be fair I was the one that brought Clark into this  venable   May-21-07 12:55 PM   #216 
              - Maybe if we stopped posting to the thread  WesDem   May-21-07 12:57 PM   #217 
                 - I agree, I'm done with this thread unless  seasonedblue   May-21-07 01:00 PM   #218 
                    - I'm going shopping!  WesDem   May-21-07 01:13 PM   #219 
           - "The thin skin does not belong to Edwards supporters."  FrenchieCat   May-21-07 12:36 PM   #213 
 

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