| 15. Morally speaking, it's a very nice gesture... however, |
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politically speaking, it's a gamble... and the odds are against him...
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| -Joe Conason: Edwards' insensitive move |
WesDem |
May-18-07 06:41 PM |
#0 |
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I think it's not an intelligent move |
Katzenkavalier |
May-18-07 06:44 PM |
#1 |
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I think you believe everything you hear |
edwardsdefender |
May-18-07 08:32 PM |
#45 |
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I think that disparaging DUers who have opinions different from you |
FrenchieCat |
May-18-07 08:57 PM |
#69 |
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I think you are whining to try and silence my opinion. I'm actually giving DUers credit |
edwardsdefender |
May-18-07 09:03 PM |
#77 |
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You are being disingenious at best...... |
FrenchieCat |
May-18-07 09:14 PM |
#81 |
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The message behind what I was saying is if you go and read what Edwards said you will know the truth |
edwardsdefender |
May-18-07 09:21 PM |
#83 |
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The message behind your insult was fine, however, one is not here |
FrenchieCat |
May-18-07 09:32 PM |
#88 |
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Thanks for saying what I thought you would, but it changes nothing. They were |
edwardsdefender |
May-18-07 10:49 PM |
#101 |
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While I usualy agree |
H2O Man |
May-18-07 06:44 PM |
#2 |
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What do you think, H2O Man? |
WesDem |
May-18-07 06:46 PM |
#5 |
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Good question. |
H2O Man |
May-18-07 06:58 PM |
#11 |
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Morally speaking, it's a very nice gesture... however, |
Katzenkavalier |
May-18-07 07:02 PM |
#15 |
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My reaction was pretty visceral to the overall concept |
WesDem |
May-18-07 07:13 PM |
#20 |
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He and Gene Lyons were Defenders of Clinton against the RW throughout |
KoKo01 |
May-18-07 08:32 PM |
#44 |
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Don't give Conason a pass. |
bunkerbuster1 |
May-19-07 09:31 AM |
#133 |
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Thanks for saying that so I did not have to. |
madfloridian |
May-18-07 11:32 PM |
#110 |
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If you read Conason over at Salon, then you know that Conason's nose smells a lot like Clark's ass |
Czolgosz |
May-19-07 12:14 AM |
#116 |
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I think that |
H2O Man |
May-19-07 05:10 AM |
#123 |
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Back in 2003, Consaon was spinning for Clark harder than Clark's paid staff or even Clark himself. |
Czolgosz |
May-19-07 09:03 AM |
#129 |
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I always respect your conclusions, H2O Man |
WesDem |
May-19-07 09:12 AM |
#131 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-19-07 08:33 AM |
#127 |
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Just Google "conason clark" and you find plenty of links showing that Conason's a huge Clark fan, |
Czolgosz |
May-19-07 08:57 AM |
#128 |
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In the first two pages of the search, many of those are Consason criticizing Clark |
NYCGirl |
May-19-07 09:11 AM |
#130 |
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"Conason is very much in the Hillary/Clark camp" |
WesDem |
May-19-07 09:41 AM |
#134 |
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Joe is a pro Clinton, |
DemDem07 |
May-20-07 09:00 PM |
#158 |
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What better way to honor the troops than to protest an illegal war |
AndyA |
May-18-07 06:45 PM |
#3 |
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Sounds to me like yet another reason to support Edwards if Gore doesn't run. |
impeachdubya |
May-18-07 06:46 PM |
#4 |
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John Edwards is asking for more than a protest. He wants to change the frame to support = bring |
edwardsdefender |
May-18-07 08:36 PM |
#49 |
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Well, Cable "Newz" sucks ass. So I can't speak to what the media is doing. |
impeachdubya |
May-18-07 08:48 PM |
#65 |
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I agree :-) |
edwardsdefender |
May-18-07 09:01 PM |
#74 |
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It's more of a tribute than what 99.9% of Americans will be doing that day |
Proud2BAmurkin |
May-18-07 06:47 PM |
#6 |
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My family visits the graves |
WesDem |
May-18-07 06:50 PM |
#7 |
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That's what most people do |
Katzenkavalier |
May-18-07 06:52 PM |
#9 |
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Wouldn't that be nice? |
Inspired |
May-18-07 08:11 PM |
#37 |
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See, that's what |
Xhanatos |
May-18-07 09:44 PM |
#92 |
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What I do |
CarolNYC |
May-18-07 08:12 PM |
#39 |
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My small town has a parade to the cemetery where the memorial service is held. |
amandabeech |
May-20-07 08:41 PM |
#156 |
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Thanks amanda, |
seasonedblue |
May-20-07 09:24 PM |
#163 |
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Thanks, and I hear you. n/t |
amandabeech |
May-20-07 09:42 PM |
#167 |
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Interesting point about North and South |
WesDem |
May-21-07 08:40 AM |
#175 |
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conason is flat wrong |
venable |
May-18-07 06:51 PM |
#8 |
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How do you think families of the war dead will view it? |
WesDem |
May-18-07 06:55 PM |
#10 |
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You say, "it is not political.".......yet Edwards is not a Veteran...... |
FrenchieCat |
May-18-07 07:06 PM |
#19 |
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Who are the veteran candidates? |
WesDem |
May-18-07 07:50 PM |
#32 |
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Here are the candidates who have served..... |
FrenchieCat |
May-18-07 07:56 PM |
#34 |
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Gravel's take would be interesting |
WesDem |
May-18-07 08:03 PM |
#35 |
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I couldn't see Kerry or Clark doing this |
WesDem |
May-18-07 08:10 PM |
#36 |
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Kerry is famous for his protests and gets a lot of criticism |
JI7 |
May-18-07 11:00 PM |
#106 |
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Protests, yeah |
WesDem |
May-19-07 11:14 AM |
#142 |
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It's a totally different thing |
karynnj |
May-19-07 06:17 PM |
#145 |
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"If you hold an event on Memorial Day itself, please make sure that everyone you gather knows it is |
struggle4progress |
May-18-07 09:33 PM |
#89 |
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yes, this is what Edwards said, however much the anti-forces wish is were not |
venable |
May-18-07 09:59 PM |
#94 |
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He's calling for people to |
seasonedblue |
May-19-07 07:55 PM |
#149 |
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Good To See I'm In GOOD Company Here Venable! n/t |
ChiciB1 |
May-21-07 09:05 AM |
#178 |
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Well it depends on what the campaign's goal is...... |
FrenchieCat |
May-18-07 06:58 PM |
#12 |
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It's a crapshoot. |
AtomicKitten |
May-18-07 06:59 PM |
#13 |
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I expect the other candidates will be pressed on this by the media |
WesDem |
May-18-07 07:04 PM |
#16 |
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I don't think it's smart because |
seasonedblue |
May-18-07 07:02 PM |
#14 |
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Yep |
MonkeyFunk |
May-18-07 08:12 PM |
#38 |
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I don't know about suicidal, but not smart, definitely. |
TygrBright |
May-18-07 07:04 PM |
#17 |
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Memorial day should not be political. It's just not what it's about. nt |
calteacherguy |
May-18-07 07:05 PM |
#18 |
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A spectacularly bad idea... |
SaveElmer |
May-18-07 07:17 PM |
#21 |
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Agreed... I thought Edwards was a smarter politician |
Katzenkavalier |
May-18-07 07:18 PM |
#22 |
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Hey, Elmer...we agree!..how about that.... :) n/t |
elizm |
May-18-07 07:20 PM |
#23 |
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Had to happen someday ! |
SaveElmer |
May-18-07 07:33 PM |
#29 |
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Was thinking the same thing.... |
elizm |
May-18-07 07:55 PM |
#33 |
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Not a whole lot better than protesting a funeral! |
WesDem |
May-18-07 07:22 PM |
#25 |
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Well there are 365 days in a year....... |
FrenchieCat |
May-18-07 07:31 PM |
#28 |
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He should have talked with |
seasonedblue |
May-18-07 07:38 PM |
#30 |
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We don't know |
WesDem |
May-18-07 08:40 PM |
#54 |
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how can you honor dead veterans... |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-21-07 11:38 AM |
#195 |
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Good for Edwards, again |
SLadd |
May-18-07 07:21 PM |
#24 |
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And you think Americans will see the protesting on Memorial Day as patriotic? |
Katzenkavalier |
May-18-07 07:23 PM |
#26 |
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He said NOT to protest on Monday, Memorial Day. n/t |
Inspired |
May-18-07 08:41 PM |
#56 |
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Was this in the original version on his site the whole time? nt |
Sparkly |
May-18-07 08:44 PM |
#59 |
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Yes, he was never asking for a "protest." As soon as the site launched people were arranging |
edwardsdefender |
May-18-07 08:50 PM |
#68 |
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Thank you |
H2O Man |
May-19-07 05:12 AM |
#124 |
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He's suggesting they bring posters |
seasonedblue |
May-19-07 07:46 PM |
#148 |
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What if he is right? |
WesDem |
May-18-07 07:25 PM |
#27 |
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I already view him as a chickenhawk. |
dogman |
May-18-07 07:45 PM |
#31 |
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Chicken hawks |
Edith Ann |
May-20-07 07:13 PM |
#154 |
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That is one definition, not mine. |
dogman |
May-20-07 09:53 PM |
#169 |
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Here's what Edwards actually said: |
struggle4progress |
May-18-07 08:13 PM |
#40 |
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More specifically, John Edwards calls for various actions..... |
FrenchieCat |
May-18-07 08:20 PM |
#41 |
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self-delete |
Sparkly |
May-18-07 08:48 PM |
#64 |
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Thank you. |
H2O Man |
May-19-07 05:14 AM |
#125 |
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Have you read the website? |
Inspired |
May-18-07 08:24 PM |
#42 |
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Did someone reference "marches at cemeteries?" |
Sparkly |
May-18-07 08:40 PM |
#53 |
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No, I was making a point |
Inspired |
May-18-07 08:43 PM |
#58 |
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Can someone do me a favor? |
edwardsdefender |
May-18-07 08:31 PM |
#43 |
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Thank you and welcome to the DU! |
Inspired |
May-18-07 08:36 PM |
#47 |
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This is an anti-war protest by any definition: |
seasonedblue |
May-18-07 08:36 PM |
#48 |
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Oh the horrors! Edwards is asking us to protest the war! |
Inspired |
May-18-07 08:39 PM |
#52 |
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Uh no... |
SaveElmer |
May-18-07 08:48 PM |
#61 |
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I don't give a damn what day it is on to be honest. |
Inspired |
May-18-07 08:57 PM |
#70 |
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Joe Conason gets things wrong all the time |
venable |
May-19-07 10:40 AM |
#136 |
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I was responding to edwardsdefender |
seasonedblue |
May-18-07 09:13 PM |
#80 |
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Oh, so that one "option" overshadows everything else that he asked for, even though he |
edwardsdefender |
May-18-07 08:42 PM |
#57 |
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No, protesting doesn't |
seasonedblue |
May-18-07 09:09 PM |
#79 |
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"If you think"? I'm talking about what the media know that "most people think of" when they think |
edwardsdefender |
May-18-07 09:27 PM |
#86 |
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thanks for joining the fray |
venable |
May-19-07 10:52 AM |
#137 |
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I think that Edwards is one |
seasonedblue |
May-19-07 07:41 PM |
#147 |
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your anger toward Edwards and Edwards signs is misplaced, IMO |
venable |
May-21-07 08:16 AM |
#173 |
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I'm not angry, |
seasonedblue |
May-21-07 09:30 AM |
#181 |
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forgive what you take to be a condescending tone |
venable |
May-21-07 09:53 AM |
#183 |
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I think you are missing the point to some degree....... |
FrenchieCat |
May-18-07 08:45 PM |
#60 |
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Joe Conason doesn't have a point. If he and the rest of the media were interested in being factual |
edwardsdefender |
May-18-07 08:59 PM |
#71 |
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Welcome to DU and good luck taking up for Edwards at this forum |
madfloridian |
May-18-07 08:48 PM |
#63 |
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Oh, it's easy. When people stop believing every lie they hear, it won't be an issue. |
edwardsdefender |
May-18-07 09:00 PM |
#72 |
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Where's the lie? |
seasonedblue |
May-18-07 09:01 PM |
#75 |
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If you don't know by now...there are more ways to lie than to say that something blue is green |
edwardsdefender |
May-18-07 09:16 PM |
#82 |
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This is what is on Edwards' |
seasonedblue |
May-18-07 09:27 PM |
#85 |
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It has nothing to do with a lie or truth. |
madfloridian |
May-18-07 09:24 PM |
#84 |
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Hey, I Just Stated I HAD NOT Read Replies... Just Read This & Want |
ChiciB1 |
May-21-07 09:19 AM |
#180 |
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Politically I think it's extremely stupid |
WildEyedLiberal |
May-18-07 08:35 PM |
#46 |
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Politically, I think you believe everything that you hear |
edwardsdefender |
May-18-07 08:37 PM |
#50 |
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Most people do. |
WildEyedLiberal |
May-18-07 08:41 PM |
#55 |
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You don't need to be on the DU to visit that website and see for yourself what Edwards is asking for |
edwardsdefender |
May-18-07 08:48 PM |
#62 |
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The story isn't fabricated, and therefore isn't a smear. |
seasonedblue |
May-18-07 09:00 PM |
#73 |
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So you think it's a good political move for Edwards |
WesDem |
May-18-07 08:48 PM |
#66 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
May-18-07 09:02 PM |
#76 |
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Yeah |
WesDem |
May-18-07 08:37 PM |
#51 |
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It looks like the site was edited... |
Sparkly |
May-18-07 08:49 PM |
#67 |
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I think you're right Sparkly |
seasonedblue |
May-18-07 09:04 PM |
#78 |
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Now that's interesting |
WesDem |
May-18-07 09:29 PM |
#87 |
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I tried the Wayback Machine |
WesDem |
May-18-07 09:39 PM |
#91 |
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I don't believe you guys are doing this....accusing him of editing.. |
madfloridian |
May-18-07 11:46 PM |
#112 |
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agreed |
venable |
May-19-07 10:54 AM |
#138 |
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I sent him a message to ask. |
Sparkly |
May-19-07 11:00 AM |
#139 |
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Wait a sec -- it was sent in an EMAIL early on... Anybody here get that email? |
Sparkly |
May-19-07 11:11 AM |
#141 |
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Here is the email: |
1932 |
May-20-07 08:32 AM |
#152 |
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I Got The Email AND I Bought TWO Shirts! The Email I Got Did Not |
ChiciB1 |
May-21-07 02:16 PM |
#221 |
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Yes.....in the Conason article, this sentence |
FrenchieCat |
May-18-07 09:45 PM |
#93 |
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Interesting! |
Katzenkavalier |
May-18-07 10:50 PM |
#103 |
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I think that Edwards should fire the person who put out the earlier version. |
amandabeech |
May-20-07 08:55 PM |
#157 |
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Bad move, politicizing Memorial Day--no one should reap any kind |
wienerdoggie |
May-18-07 09:36 PM |
#90 |
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Conason is the one politicizing |
venable |
May-18-07 10:00 PM |
#95 |
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Sorry, but I smell the whiff of political opportunism here. Folks |
wienerdoggie |
May-18-07 10:10 PM |
#97 |
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Edwards DID NOT ask for protests on that day |
venable |
May-18-07 11:26 PM |
#108 |
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Supporters of 3 different candidates are jumping on Edwards... |
madfloridian |
May-18-07 10:08 PM |
#96 |
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Ya know what is obvious? |
Andrew_Lindsey |
May-18-07 10:26 PM |
#98 |
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You got that right |
WesDem |
May-18-07 10:34 PM |
#99 |
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Exactly |
Katzenkavalier |
May-18-07 10:54 PM |
#104 |
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People are noticing who is doing the jumping. |
madfloridian |
May-18-07 11:25 PM |
#107 |
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OK - I wasn't going to comment on this, but YOU are making |
Clark2008 |
May-19-07 09:41 PM |
#151 |
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That's pathetic. It's a big pile on. DU should not let this stuff keep on. |
madfloridian |
May-18-07 11:28 PM |
#109 |
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Such faux outrage! Memorial Day is a day of cookouts, beer guzzling, and car racing |
IndianaGreen |
May-18-07 10:39 PM |
#100 |
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Some people honor their lost loved ones, you know... |
Katzenkavalier |
May-18-07 10:55 PM |
#105 |
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You said it yourself: "THEIR lost loved ones." The rest of us are more concerned about the brats |
IndianaGreen |
May-18-07 11:54 PM |
#113 |
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I have no fallen soldiers in my family, but I still think about war dead not hotdogs on Memorial Day |
Psephos |
May-20-07 09:08 PM |
#160 |
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I shed tears on the graves of the fallen on Memorial Day, |
amandabeech |
May-20-07 09:13 PM |
#161 |
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i thought Memorial Day was about Barbeques and picnics |
JI7 |
May-18-07 10:50 PM |
#102 |
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Read a little history. It might change your view of the day. |
amandabeech |
May-20-07 09:17 PM |
#162 |
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Let me get this straight...Edwards is accused of editing...PLUS |
madfloridian |
May-18-07 11:37 PM |
#111 |
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Once the primary is over, I fear. |
Katzenkavalier |
May-19-07 12:06 AM |
#115 |
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You seem proud. |
madfloridian |
May-19-07 12:33 AM |
#119 |
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He just seems realistic. |
FrenchieCat |
May-19-07 12:34 AM |
#120 |
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Me? Proud? Come on, mad... |
Katzenkavalier |
May-19-07 12:38 AM |
#121 |
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It could be bad as people may take it as disrespect or posturing. |
illinoisprogressive |
May-19-07 12:06 AM |
#114 |
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Edwards can easily fix this one |
sampsonblk |
May-19-07 12:19 AM |
#117 |
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Very good idea! |
Katzenkavalier |
May-19-07 12:20 AM |
#118 |
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Support the troops End the War |
applegreen |
May-19-07 12:38 AM |
#122 |
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You don't get it. |
MH1 |
May-19-07 09:21 AM |
#132 |
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I think I get it |
venable |
May-19-07 10:32 AM |
#135 |
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You DO get it!!! n/t |
Inspired |
May-19-07 11:37 AM |
#143 |
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But can you get average Americans to agree with your view? n/t |
MH1 |
May-19-07 11:40 AM |
#144 |
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IMHO, probably not. n/t |
amandabeech |
May-20-07 09:32 PM |
#165 |
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Edwards is my favorite, and he was my favorite in 2004. |
amandabeech |
May-20-07 09:31 PM |
#164 |
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AntiWar |
Edith Ann |
May-19-07 05:32 AM |
#126 |
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Since Clark supporters have been doing those things, without the |
WesDem |
May-19-07 11:04 AM |
#140 |
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there's not a person on this board |
venable |
May-19-07 07:40 PM |
#146 |
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Age |
Edith Ann |
May-20-07 07:04 PM |
#153 |
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he was born in 54 I think |
venable |
May-20-07 09:07 PM |
#159 |
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He was living in a small town in North Carolina. |
amandabeech |
May-20-07 09:34 PM |
#166 |
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I will be clearer for you, venable |
WesDem |
May-21-07 10:05 AM |
#184 |
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WesDem, why are you doing this? |
madfloridian |
May-21-07 10:46 AM |
#186 |
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you are making something out of nothing |
venable |
May-21-07 11:23 AM |
#190 |
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We absolutely SHOULD protest on Memorial Day and every other day |
alarimer |
May-19-07 09:38 PM |
#150 |
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Why I still dislike Edwards |
riverdale |
May-20-07 08:10 PM |
#155 |
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Political Suicide |
justinrr1 |
May-20-07 09:46 PM |
#168 |
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suicide |
Edith Ann |
May-21-07 06:06 AM |
#170 |
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Three quick points |
Joe Conason |
May-21-07 08:04 AM |
#171 |
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Welcome to DU! |
MH1 |
May-21-07 08:12 AM |
#172 |
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Very nice of you, Joe |
WesDem |
May-21-07 08:25 AM |
#174 |
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Thanks for clarifiying, Joe! I'm a long-time Salon subscriber |
wienerdoggie |
May-21-07 08:59 AM |
#176 |
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Thanks for stepping in to add more clarification. |
seasonedblue |
May-21-07 09:47 AM |
#182 |
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Thank you Mr. Conason, |
FrenchieCat |
May-21-07 10:38 AM |
#185 |
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Joe Conason, you fell for right wing talking points. |
madfloridian |
May-21-07 10:48 AM |
#187 |
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MadFlo, |
FrenchieCat |
May-21-07 10:54 AM |
#188 |
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It is a false premise, that he was dishonoring troops. |
madfloridian |
May-21-07 11:04 AM |
#189 |
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To clarify, |
FrenchieCat |
May-21-07 11:36 AM |
#194 |
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The comments are openly posted at Salon. |
madfloridian |
May-21-07 11:40 AM |
#198 |
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You should thank Joe |
WesDem |
May-21-07 11:26 AM |
#191 |
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Adjust for what? What did Edwards do wrong? And why are you doing this? |
madfloridian |
May-21-07 11:38 AM |
#196 |
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Did you miss this point? |
WesDem |
May-21-07 11:44 AM |
#199 |
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Conason just wrote that Edwards did not support veterans. |
madfloridian |
May-21-07 11:49 AM |
#201 |
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It's all a plot, a conspiracy!! |
WesDem |
May-21-07 11:51 AM |
#202 |
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Your complete defense of Edwards - all the damn time - sounds |
Clark2008 |
May-21-07 12:00 PM |
#203 |
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You are comparing me with the ones who support Bush? Oh, gosh. |
madfloridian |
May-21-07 12:12 PM |
#205 |
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He tried to turn a solemn day into a political occasion. |
Clark2008 |
May-21-07 12:23 PM |
#209 |
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Well, as you guys point out so often, I am not very bright... |
madfloridian |
May-21-07 12:27 PM |
#211 |
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the replies on Salon say it all |
venable |
May-21-07 11:31 AM |
#193 |
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Please...... |
FrenchieCat |
May-21-07 11:47 AM |
#200 |
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Do you support veterans? |
Bornaginhooligan |
May-21-07 11:40 AM |
#197 |
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Hey Joe! |
AtomicKitten |
May-21-07 01:51 PM |
#220 |
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I Generally Respect Almost All Of Joe C's Views, But THIS TIME... |
ChiciB1 |
May-21-07 09:03 AM |
#177 |
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Leave Memorial Day alone. Respect the somber purpose of the day, and leave it alone. |
wienerdoggie |
May-21-07 09:12 AM |
#179 |
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This whole thing is false. It is fear of the right wing all over again. |
madfloridian |
May-21-07 11:30 AM |
#192 |
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This thread would have gone to about 30 posts IMO, |
seasonedblue |
May-21-07 12:12 PM |
#204 |
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Now I don't respect other people's feelings? |
madfloridian |
May-21-07 12:13 PM |
#206 |
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Do you? |
seasonedblue |
May-21-07 12:18 PM |
#207 |
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this refrain is heard too often and is disingenuous |
venable |
May-21-07 12:18 PM |
#208 |
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Yes, in fact Clarkies |
seasonedblue |
May-21-07 12:26 PM |
#210 |
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Oh, yes it does - I have NEVER on this board seen more thin |
Clark2008 |
May-21-07 12:33 PM |
#212 |
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Comparing us to Bush supporters is very objectionable. |
madfloridian |
May-21-07 12:38 PM |
#214 |
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Calling those who prefer that protesting the Iraq war is best done |
FrenchieCat |
May-21-07 12:51 PM |
#215 |
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to be fair I was the one that brought Clark into this |
venable |
May-21-07 12:55 PM |
#216 |
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Maybe if we stopped posting to the thread |
WesDem |
May-21-07 12:57 PM |
#217 |
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I agree, I'm done with this thread unless |
seasonedblue |
May-21-07 01:00 PM |
#218 |
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I'm going shopping! |
WesDem |
May-21-07 01:13 PM |
#219 |
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"The thin skin does not belong to Edwards supporters." |
FrenchieCat |
May-21-07 12:36 PM |
#213 |