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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 02:47 PM
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47. He was speaking figuratively, of course.
To the people in Iowa, the orange hats made the Dean folks stand out-and the sheer number of them probably gave an invasion-like quality to the canvassing.

Every political campaign looks at what has been tried successfully in the past, as well as what has failed. Dean's campaign was innovative and that was a wonderful thing. His strategy most definitely had it's successes, but some aspects of the campaign backfired.

I'm sure Dean is well aware of this and if he were running again, he wouldn't make the same mistakes again. In fact, I'll bet he'd even agree with Riemer's comment.
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  -Obama Taps Youth to Help Make White House Run (tries to avoid "Howard Dean" mistake) jefferson_dem  May-14-07 05:11 PM   #0 
  - Anybody know more about that mistake?  Captain Angry   May-14-07 05:14 PM   #1 
  - They weren't Iowans and were treated as insulting outsiders  Kagemusha   May-14-07 05:16 PM   #2 
  - Thanks for the info.  Captain Angry   May-14-07 06:07 PM   #5 
     - They were good people with passion.  madfloridian   May-14-07 06:48 PM   #14 
        - I didn't see it as an insult  tammywammy   May-14-07 06:57 PM   #18 
        - Yes, it was meant as an insult. Mistakes were made...but there was passion.  madfloridian   May-14-07 06:59 PM   #19 
        - That's okay  tammywammy   May-14-07 07:00 PM   #20 
        - He was already off your list, I've read it several times  Laurab   May-14-07 09:51 PM   #43 
           - No, Obama was not off my list.  madfloridian   May-15-07 06:38 PM   #73 
        - I didn't either MF  Capn Sunshine   May-15-07 04:05 PM   #49 
           - Capn, I take pride in my sensitivity in a world filled with tough guys.  madfloridian   May-15-07 06:26 PM   #68 
           - I don't appreciate when you put me down for being sensitive.  madfloridian   May-15-07 06:31 PM   #70 
        - What insult?  calteacherguy   May-15-07 07:53 PM   #84 
  - You need your canvassers to be local, or at least "regional"  MADem   May-14-07 05:29 PM   #3 
  - Works for me, thanks.  Captain Angry   May-14-07 06:07 PM   #4 
  - The Beanie Brigade.  indie_ana_500   May-15-07 04:40 PM   #51 
  - No matter what one feels about Dean....Obama's campaign just insulted a lot of sincere people.  madfloridian   May-14-07 06:34 PM   #6 
  - It was an innovative campaign....the Dean campaign.  madfloridian   May-14-07 06:40 PM   #7 
  - We all appreciate the passion but the fact remains the Dean 08 formula did not work.  jefferson_dem   May-14-07 07:32 PM   #29 
     - Well, that was really stupid of Obama, but I had forgotten that.  madfloridian   May-14-07 07:37 PM   #35 
        - Obama wants to turn this into a campaign he can WIN  Laurab   May-14-07 09:54 PM   #44 
        - Uh, Dean lost.  Dawgs   May-15-07 07:59 PM   #85 
  - I disagree  Ethelk2044   May-14-07 06:42 PM   #9 
  - He called them "alien invaders."  madfloridian   May-14-07 06:44 PM   #10 
  - Throwing stones this early at good people who cared is not worthy.  madfloridian   May-14-07 06:46 PM   #11 
  - All they mean is that inspiration has to be applied intelligently.  Kagemusha   May-14-07 06:47 PM   #13 
  - Well, friend, now the Obama campaign is alien to me.  madfloridian   May-14-07 06:50 PM   #15 
  - And a lot of Iowa people did "get" it.  madfloridian   May-14-07 06:52 PM   #16 
     - I'm still giving him a chance.  Kagemusha   May-14-07 07:32 PM   #30 
        - I have never been critical of him at all, in fact until today I liked him.  madfloridian   May-14-07 07:35 PM   # 
           - Maybe it is. That would be unfortunate if so.  Kagemusha   May-15-07 11:10 AM   #46 
  - He was speaking figuratively, of course.  ripple   May-15-07 02:47 PM   #47 
  - Obama is one smart cookie.  AtomicKitten   May-14-07 06:42 PM   #8 
  - It's high expectations for Obama..  Tellurian   May-14-07 08:42 PM   #42 
  - I have never posted anything critical of Obama...  madfloridian   May-14-07 06:47 PM   #12 
  - I wouldn't worry. Fair critical assessing is fine. It's the trash talking that is annoying  illinoisprogressive   May-14-07 07:33 PM   #32 
  - No. You do NOT call people "alien invaders."  madfloridian   May-14-07 07:40 PM   #39 
     - Arent' you being a little sensitive about that?  indie_ana_500   May-15-07 04:49 PM   #53 
        - No, I don't think I am over reacting.  madfloridian   May-15-07 05:48 PM   #61 
  - Really? Were you not on his case for calling out Dean for using "religion to divide"?  jefferson_dem   May-14-07 07:35 PM   #34 
  - Yes, he took the side of the right wing against his own party.  madfloridian   May-14-07 07:39 PM   #37 
  - So I guess when you said he argued in favor of  tishaLA   May-16-07 04:42 PM   #117 
  - Let's give this a rec for all the "alien invaders" with orange hats.  madfloridian   May-14-07 06:54 PM   #17 
  - Obama is doing Well  Ethelk2044   May-14-07 07:01 PM   #21 
     - Good for him.  madfloridian   May-14-07 07:04 PM   #22 
  - In 2003 and 2004 our party was so adverse to passion and caring...  madfloridian   May-14-07 07:10 PM   #23 
  - It's amazing how an honest criticism of the Dean campaign  Connie_Corleone   May-14-07 07:17 PM   #24 
  - Yeh, it's very odd how "alien invaders" is an insulting term  madfloridian   May-14-07 07:24 PM   #25 
  - I read "alien invaders"  tammywammy   May-14-07 07:29 PM   #26 
  - it refers to the hoodie nation that "invaded" swing states  AtomicKitten   May-14-07 07:38 PM   #36 
  - No one in the article questioned the dedication and hard work of  Connie_Corleone   May-14-07 07:39 PM   #38 
     - Nothing else to say.  madfloridian   May-14-07 07:41 PM   #40 
  - "alien invaders" says it all.  madfloridian   May-14-07 07:32 PM   #28 
  - The Kucinich campaign was similar  eridani   May-15-07 02:22 AM   #45 
  - excellent  illinoisprogressive   May-14-07 07:31 PM   #27 
  - Yes, it helped me see how things really stand.  madfloridian   May-14-07 07:33 PM   #31 
  - Oh, goodness  Morgana LaFey   May-14-07 07:34 PM   #33 
  - Here are just a few pics of those "alien invaders".....  madfloridian   May-14-07 08:23 PM   #41 
  - This is going to shock madfloridian but. . .  wndycty   May-15-07 03:09 PM   #48 
  - It's criticism of the "people in the orange hats." Dean is fair game now.  madfloridian   May-15-07 06:34 PM   #71 
     - Insensitive and rude?  wndycty   May-15-07 09:58 PM   #94 
  - Worse yet, mad, this gal says Dean volunteers could not be trusted!  ieoeja   May-15-07 04:34 PM   #50 
  - that's not the implication  AtomicKitten   May-15-07 04:44 PM   #52 
  - The over reaction by some Deaniacs proves the very basis of the article.  rinsd   May-15-07 04:53 PM   #54 
  - What a hateful thing to say. n/t  LizW   May-15-07 05:12 PM   #55 
  - Yes, a reasoned response sans hyperbole.  rinsd   May-15-07 05:16 PM   # 
  - self delete double post  rinsd   May-15-07 05:16 PM   #57 
  - I don't see any hate  NewYorkerfromMass   May-15-07 05:33 PM   #59 
     - Well, my "reason" about Obama's campaign just clouded over  madfloridian   May-15-07 05:50 PM   #62 
        - Who is insulting you??  Connie_Corleone   May-15-07 06:04 PM   #63 
           - This is about those people who traveled there because they cared.  madfloridian   May-15-07 06:17 PM   #67 
  - I don't get it either.  AtomicKitten   May-15-07 05:12 PM   #56 
  - This is very good for Obama, for the party and for the country.  rinsd   May-15-07 05:20 PM   #58 
  - That's right. It shows how clear-headed Obama's campaign is  tishaLA   May-16-07 04:37 PM   #115 
  - That was tasteless.  madfloridian   May-15-07 06:46 PM   #77 
  - No, manufactured outrage is tasteless. Getting called on it is priceless (nt)  rinsd   May-15-07 06:50 PM   #78 
     - Your remarks tell me so much about what our party has become.  madfloridian   May-15-07 06:50 PM   #79 
     - Well, some have said Sen. Obama favored privatizing  tishaLA   May-16-07 04:39 PM   #116 
  - Don't worry. I doubt many of these "Dean supporters" have any interest in..  Dawgs   May-15-07 08:09 PM   #86 
  - Name two!  ieoeja   May-16-07 12:36 PM   #111 
  - Glad to see this hit on Deaniacs made it to the Greatest Page  madfloridian   May-15-07 05:47 PM   #60 
  - Isn't it kind of arrogant to take criticism of a policy as a personal attack?  Dawgs   May-15-07 08:18 PM   #87 
     - Yes, they made fun of the folks in Iowa.  madfloridian   May-15-07 08:32 PM   #92 
  - I really like Dean, but you'd have to be pretty think skinned to take offense to this  skipos   May-15-07 06:08 PM   #64 
  - Yes, I come here every day to get insulted.  madfloridian   May-15-07 06:15 PM   #65 
     - Actually, I feel like your posts are often hypersensitive  skipos   May-15-07 06:29 PM   #69 
        - Pile it on the sensitive people .  madfloridian   May-15-07 06:36 PM   #72 
  - Why is Obama insulting Dean?  ultraist   May-15-07 06:16 PM   #66 
  - It's not an insult. It's called constructive criticism of a campaign.  Connie_Corleone   May-15-07 06:39 PM   #74 
  - No, Dean is not. His supporters are. They are being made fun of.  madfloridian   May-15-07 06:41 PM   #75 
     - You're too sensitive.  Connie_Corleone   May-15-07 06:58 PM   #81 
        - Yes, I am sensitive. I take pride in it. I am not rude to others either.  madfloridian   May-15-07 07:03 PM   #83 
  - How is Dean being insulted here?  tammywammy   May-15-07 06:46 PM   #76 
  - It's just his supporters.  madfloridian   May-15-07 06:51 PM   #80 
     - I already know your opinion  tammywammy   May-15-07 07:02 PM   #82 
  - Where did OBAMA insult Dean?  Dawgs   May-15-07 08:22 PM   #89 
  - Good for Obama.  Dawgs   May-15-07 08:19 PM   #88 
  - I agree.  AtomicKitten   May-15-07 08:27 PM   #90 
  - I am amazed at how the issue turned on my sensitive nature.  madfloridian   May-15-07 08:30 PM   #91 
  - I know two people who worked for Dean in Iowa  MrsT   May-15-07 09:14 PM   #93 
  - He was talking about the strategy, not the people  ripple   May-15-07 10:19 PM   #95 
  - The point is that it did not need to have been brought up.  madfloridian   May-15-07 10:31 PM   #96 
     - That's what strategists do  ripple   May-16-07 10:00 AM   #99 
        - I disagree.  madfloridian   May-16-07 11:43 AM   #107 
           - Ok, then. I'll still tap  ripple   May-16-07 01:44 PM   #112 
  - Well the issue has turned into just about everything *but* the point.  bling bling   May-15-07 10:45 PM   #97 
     - Its a lost cause. . .  wndycty   May-16-07 06:56 AM   #98 
        - The Obama campaign raised the issue on purpose. Why?  madfloridian   May-16-07 10:15 AM   #100 
        - Madfloridian doesn't represent all Dean supporters by any stretch  MrsT   May-16-07 10:33 AM   #101 
        - Madfloridian defends the orange hat folks and gets blasted.  madfloridian   May-16-07 10:42 AM   #102 
           - So was Dean insulting the Orange Hat people?  ieoeja   May-16-07 11:20 AM   #104 
           - Less melodrama would help the discussion  MrsT   May-16-07 12:10 PM   #108 
              - "melodrama" is another word often used to put down others.  madfloridian   May-16-07 12:16 PM   #109 
                 - Accusing others of "piling on" you when they aren't is a way of being melodramatic  MrsT   May-16-07 12:33 PM   #110 
                    - There is a difference between critiquing and ridiculing.  madfloridian   May-16-07 05:13 PM   #119 
        - Yeah, it's pretty much an exercise in futility.  bling bling   May-16-07 11:12 AM   #103 
           - Thanks for the kind words. I am not planning on leaving.  madfloridian   May-16-07 11:34 AM   #106 
              - Oh dear.  bling bling   May-16-07 01:46 PM   #113 
                 - um, well ....  AtomicKitten   May-16-07 03:21 PM   #114 
                    - I beg your pardon.  bling bling   May-16-07 05:16 PM   #120 
  - '..."Everybody realizes what a disaster that was....'  xxqqqzme   May-16-07 11:34 AM   #105 
     - It was a positive experience in many states for many people.  madfloridian   May-16-07 04:54 PM   #118 

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