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Mon May-14-07 05:29 PM
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| 3. You need your canvassers to be local, or at least "regional" |
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You can't have city slickers running around in rural areas, or vice versa. You can't sell your candidate if you can't relate his or her platform and stances on the issues to the concerns of locals. And you need to KNOW the concerns of locals to be able to do that.
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| -Obama Taps Youth to Help Make White House Run (tries to avoid "Howard Dean" mistake) |
jefferson_dem |
May-14-07 05:11 PM |
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Anybody know more about that mistake? |
Captain Angry |
May-14-07 05:14 PM |
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They weren't Iowans and were treated as insulting outsiders |
Kagemusha |
May-14-07 05:16 PM |
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Thanks for the info. |
Captain Angry |
May-14-07 06:07 PM |
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They were good people with passion. |
madfloridian |
May-14-07 06:48 PM |
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I didn't see it as an insult |
tammywammy |
May-14-07 06:57 PM |
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Yes, it was meant as an insult. Mistakes were made...but there was passion. |
madfloridian |
May-14-07 06:59 PM |
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That's okay |
tammywammy |
May-14-07 07:00 PM |
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He was already off your list, I've read it several times |
Laurab |
May-14-07 09:51 PM |
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No, Obama was not off my list. |
madfloridian |
May-15-07 06:38 PM |
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I didn't either MF |
Capn Sunshine |
May-15-07 04:05 PM |
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Capn, I take pride in my sensitivity in a world filled with tough guys. |
madfloridian |
May-15-07 06:26 PM |
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I don't appreciate when you put me down for being sensitive. |
madfloridian |
May-15-07 06:31 PM |
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What insult? |
calteacherguy |
May-15-07 07:53 PM |
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You need your canvassers to be local, or at least "regional" |
MADem |
May-14-07 05:29 PM |
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Works for me, thanks. |
Captain Angry |
May-14-07 06:07 PM |
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The Beanie Brigade. |
indie_ana_500 |
May-15-07 04:40 PM |
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No matter what one feels about Dean....Obama's campaign just insulted a lot of sincere people. |
madfloridian |
May-14-07 06:34 PM |
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It was an innovative campaign....the Dean campaign. |
madfloridian |
May-14-07 06:40 PM |
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We all appreciate the passion but the fact remains the Dean 08 formula did not work. |
jefferson_dem |
May-14-07 07:32 PM |
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Well, that was really stupid of Obama, but I had forgotten that. |
madfloridian |
May-14-07 07:37 PM |
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Obama wants to turn this into a campaign he can WIN |
Laurab |
May-14-07 09:54 PM |
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Uh, Dean lost. |
Dawgs |
May-15-07 07:59 PM |
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I disagree |
Ethelk2044 |
May-14-07 06:42 PM |
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He called them "alien invaders." |
madfloridian |
May-14-07 06:44 PM |
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Throwing stones this early at good people who cared is not worthy. |
madfloridian |
May-14-07 06:46 PM |
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All they mean is that inspiration has to be applied intelligently. |
Kagemusha |
May-14-07 06:47 PM |
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Well, friend, now the Obama campaign is alien to me. |
madfloridian |
May-14-07 06:50 PM |
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And a lot of Iowa people did "get" it. |
madfloridian |
May-14-07 06:52 PM |
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I'm still giving him a chance. |
Kagemusha |
May-14-07 07:32 PM |
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I have never been critical of him at all, in fact until today I liked him. |
madfloridian |
May-14-07 07:35 PM |
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Maybe it is. That would be unfortunate if so. |
Kagemusha |
May-15-07 11:10 AM |
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He was speaking figuratively, of course. |
ripple |
May-15-07 02:47 PM |
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Obama is one smart cookie. |
AtomicKitten |
May-14-07 06:42 PM |
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It's high expectations for Obama.. |
Tellurian |
May-14-07 08:42 PM |
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I have never posted anything critical of Obama... |
madfloridian |
May-14-07 06:47 PM |
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I wouldn't worry. Fair critical assessing is fine. It's the trash talking that is annoying |
illinoisprogressive |
May-14-07 07:33 PM |
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No. You do NOT call people "alien invaders." |
madfloridian |
May-14-07 07:40 PM |
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Arent' you being a little sensitive about that? |
indie_ana_500 |
May-15-07 04:49 PM |
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No, I don't think I am over reacting. |
madfloridian |
May-15-07 05:48 PM |
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Really? Were you not on his case for calling out Dean for using "religion to divide"? |
jefferson_dem |
May-14-07 07:35 PM |
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Yes, he took the side of the right wing against his own party. |
madfloridian |
May-14-07 07:39 PM |
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So I guess when you said he argued in favor of |
tishaLA |
May-16-07 04:42 PM |
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Let's give this a rec for all the "alien invaders" with orange hats. |
madfloridian |
May-14-07 06:54 PM |
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Obama is doing Well |
Ethelk2044 |
May-14-07 07:01 PM |
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Good for him. |
madfloridian |
May-14-07 07:04 PM |
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In 2003 and 2004 our party was so adverse to passion and caring... |
madfloridian |
May-14-07 07:10 PM |
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It's amazing how an honest criticism of the Dean campaign |
Connie_Corleone |
May-14-07 07:17 PM |
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Yeh, it's very odd how "alien invaders" is an insulting term |
madfloridian |
May-14-07 07:24 PM |
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I read "alien invaders" |
tammywammy |
May-14-07 07:29 PM |
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it refers to the hoodie nation that "invaded" swing states |
AtomicKitten |
May-14-07 07:38 PM |
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No one in the article questioned the dedication and hard work of |
Connie_Corleone |
May-14-07 07:39 PM |
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Nothing else to say. |
madfloridian |
May-14-07 07:41 PM |
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"alien invaders" says it all. |
madfloridian |
May-14-07 07:32 PM |
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The Kucinich campaign was similar |
eridani |
May-15-07 02:22 AM |
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excellent |
illinoisprogressive |
May-14-07 07:31 PM |
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Yes, it helped me see how things really stand. |
madfloridian |
May-14-07 07:33 PM |
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Oh, goodness |
Morgana LaFey |
May-14-07 07:34 PM |
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Here are just a few pics of those "alien invaders"..... |
madfloridian |
May-14-07 08:23 PM |
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This is going to shock madfloridian but. . . |
wndycty |
May-15-07 03:09 PM |
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It's criticism of the "people in the orange hats." Dean is fair game now. |
madfloridian |
May-15-07 06:34 PM |
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Insensitive and rude? |
wndycty |
May-15-07 09:58 PM |
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Worse yet, mad, this gal says Dean volunteers could not be trusted! |
ieoeja |
May-15-07 04:34 PM |
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that's not the implication |
AtomicKitten |
May-15-07 04:44 PM |
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The over reaction by some Deaniacs proves the very basis of the article. |
rinsd |
May-15-07 04:53 PM |
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What a hateful thing to say. n/t |
LizW |
May-15-07 05:12 PM |
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Yes, a reasoned response sans hyperbole. |
rinsd |
May-15-07 05:16 PM |
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self delete double post |
rinsd |
May-15-07 05:16 PM |
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I don't see any hate |
NewYorkerfromMass |
May-15-07 05:33 PM |
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Well, my "reason" about Obama's campaign just clouded over |
madfloridian |
May-15-07 05:50 PM |
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Who is insulting you?? |
Connie_Corleone |
May-15-07 06:04 PM |
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This is about those people who traveled there because they cared. |
madfloridian |
May-15-07 06:17 PM |
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I don't get it either. |
AtomicKitten |
May-15-07 05:12 PM |
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This is very good for Obama, for the party and for the country. |
rinsd |
May-15-07 05:20 PM |
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That's right. It shows how clear-headed Obama's campaign is |
tishaLA |
May-16-07 04:37 PM |
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That was tasteless. |
madfloridian |
May-15-07 06:46 PM |
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No, manufactured outrage is tasteless. Getting called on it is priceless (nt) |
rinsd |
May-15-07 06:50 PM |
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Your remarks tell me so much about what our party has become. |
madfloridian |
May-15-07 06:50 PM |
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Well, some have said Sen. Obama favored privatizing |
tishaLA |
May-16-07 04:39 PM |
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Don't worry. I doubt many of these "Dean supporters" have any interest in.. |
Dawgs |
May-15-07 08:09 PM |
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Name two! |
ieoeja |
May-16-07 12:36 PM |
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Glad to see this hit on Deaniacs made it to the Greatest Page |
madfloridian |
May-15-07 05:47 PM |
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Isn't it kind of arrogant to take criticism of a policy as a personal attack? |
Dawgs |
May-15-07 08:18 PM |
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Yes, they made fun of the folks in Iowa. |
madfloridian |
May-15-07 08:32 PM |
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I really like Dean, but you'd have to be pretty think skinned to take offense to this |
skipos |
May-15-07 06:08 PM |
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Yes, I come here every day to get insulted. |
madfloridian |
May-15-07 06:15 PM |
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Actually, I feel like your posts are often hypersensitive |
skipos |
May-15-07 06:29 PM |
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Pile it on the sensitive people . |
madfloridian |
May-15-07 06:36 PM |
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Why is Obama insulting Dean? |
ultraist |
May-15-07 06:16 PM |
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It's not an insult. It's called constructive criticism of a campaign. |
Connie_Corleone |
May-15-07 06:39 PM |
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No, Dean is not. His supporters are. They are being made fun of. |
madfloridian |
May-15-07 06:41 PM |
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You're too sensitive. |
Connie_Corleone |
May-15-07 06:58 PM |
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Yes, I am sensitive. I take pride in it. I am not rude to others either. |
madfloridian |
May-15-07 07:03 PM |
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How is Dean being insulted here? |
tammywammy |
May-15-07 06:46 PM |
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It's just his supporters. |
madfloridian |
May-15-07 06:51 PM |
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I already know your opinion |
tammywammy |
May-15-07 07:02 PM |
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Where did OBAMA insult Dean? |
Dawgs |
May-15-07 08:22 PM |
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Good for Obama. |
Dawgs |
May-15-07 08:19 PM |
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I agree. |
AtomicKitten |
May-15-07 08:27 PM |
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I am amazed at how the issue turned on my sensitive nature. |
madfloridian |
May-15-07 08:30 PM |
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I know two people who worked for Dean in Iowa |
MrsT |
May-15-07 09:14 PM |
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He was talking about the strategy, not the people |
ripple |
May-15-07 10:19 PM |
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The point is that it did not need to have been brought up. |
madfloridian |
May-15-07 10:31 PM |
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That's what strategists do |
ripple |
May-16-07 10:00 AM |
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I disagree. |
madfloridian |
May-16-07 11:43 AM |
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Ok, then. I'll still tap |
ripple |
May-16-07 01:44 PM |
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Well the issue has turned into just about everything *but* the point. |
bling bling |
May-15-07 10:45 PM |
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Its a lost cause. . . |
wndycty |
May-16-07 06:56 AM |
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The Obama campaign raised the issue on purpose. Why? |
madfloridian |
May-16-07 10:15 AM |
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Madfloridian doesn't represent all Dean supporters by any stretch |
MrsT |
May-16-07 10:33 AM |
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Madfloridian defends the orange hat folks and gets blasted. |
madfloridian |
May-16-07 10:42 AM |
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So was Dean insulting the Orange Hat people? |
ieoeja |
May-16-07 11:20 AM |
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Less melodrama would help the discussion |
MrsT |
May-16-07 12:10 PM |
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"melodrama" is another word often used to put down others. |
madfloridian |
May-16-07 12:16 PM |
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Accusing others of "piling on" you when they aren't is a way of being melodramatic |
MrsT |
May-16-07 12:33 PM |
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There is a difference between critiquing and ridiculing. |
madfloridian |
May-16-07 05:13 PM |
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Yeah, it's pretty much an exercise in futility. |
bling bling |
May-16-07 11:12 AM |
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Thanks for the kind words. I am not planning on leaving. |
madfloridian |
May-16-07 11:34 AM |
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Oh dear. |
bling bling |
May-16-07 01:46 PM |
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um, well .... |
AtomicKitten |
May-16-07 03:21 PM |
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I beg your pardon. |
bling bling |
May-16-07 05:16 PM |
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'..."Everybody realizes what a disaster that was....' |
xxqqqzme |
May-16-07 11:34 AM |
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It was a positive experience in many states for many people. |
madfloridian |
May-16-07 04:54 PM |
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