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Fri May-04-07 12:18 PM
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| 47. She JOINS the GOP wrecking crew when needed - with Dem friends like these, who needs GOPs? |
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This talk by historian Douglas Brinkley occurred in April 2004: http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354 Whom does the biographer think his subject will pick as a running mate? Not Hillary Rodham Clinton. "There's really two different Democratic parties right now: there's the Clintons and Terry McAuliffe and the DNC and then there's the Kerry upstarts. John Kerry had one of the great advantages in life by being considered to get the nomination in December. He watched every Democrat in the country flee from him, and the Clintons really stick the knife in his back a bunch of times, so he's able to really see who was loyal to him and who wasn't. That's a very useful thing in life." >>>>>>
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did...
Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)
By M.J. Rosenberg
I just came across a troubling incident that Bob Woodward reports in his new book. Very troubling.
On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.
Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.
So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.
So what happened?
James Carville gets on the phone with his wife, Mary Matalin, who is at the White House with Bush.
"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'
"Matalin went to Cheney to report...You better tell the President Cheney told her."
Matalin does, advising Bush that "somebody in authority needed to get in touch with J. Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio who would be in charge of any challenge to the provisional votes." An SOS goes out to Blackwell.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg
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| -How does Hillary compare to John Kerry? |
jcrew2001 |
May-03-07 05:17 PM |
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Here's the main difference I see in them |
journalist3072 |
May-03-07 05:21 PM |
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How did they do on the Clintons trashed the WH storyline? Clinton to blame for 9-11? |
blm |
May-03-07 06:42 PM |
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Let's revisit the record here |
journalist3072 |
May-03-07 07:34 PM |
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EIGHT books came out between 9-11 and 2005 that fed that movie's storyline. |
blm |
May-03-07 07:54 PM |
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But were they on TV defending the candidate when it mattered? |
politicasista |
May-03-07 07:54 PM |
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I think the biggest difference has nothing to do with Kerry |
paulk |
May-03-07 05:21 PM |
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Kerry's taller and has a lower voice. |
Old Crusoe |
May-03-07 05:21 PM |
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rinsd |
May-03-07 05:23 PM |
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Kerry's also a much better windsurfer. |
Tejanocrat |
May-03-07 05:24 PM |
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I go windsurfing with John and Hillary ALL the time. |
Old Crusoe |
May-03-07 05:27 PM |
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There you go again, blatantly spinning the facts to support your political agenda. Here's Kerry: |
Tejanocrat |
May-03-07 06:00 PM |
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Now hold on. You should see all our candidates surfing out there in |
Old Crusoe |
May-03-07 06:27 PM |
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I wanna go windsurfing |
TayTay |
May-03-07 07:56 PM |
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Don't go putting yourself down at windsurfing. I positively |
Old Crusoe |
May-03-07 08:21 PM |
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It is. I am a happy soul lately. |
TayTay |
May-03-07 09:17 PM |
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Tweety and Osama do! |
Clark2008 |
May-05-07 03:44 PM |
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May-03-07 06:52 PM |
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Both are decidedly capable of running the country, IMO. |
Old Crusoe |
May-03-07 07:07 PM |
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May-03-07 07:10 PM |
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Not my point. |
Old Crusoe |
May-03-07 07:15 PM |
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Of course, but I consider preserving an honest historic record more than a gripe. |
blm |
May-03-07 07:30 PM |
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I'm in a practical zone, blm. One of maybe 6 or 7 people, Senator |
Old Crusoe |
May-03-07 07:35 PM |
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No one's shaming - if she's the nominee, I will vote for her. But, I'm not going to pretend |
blm |
May-03-07 07:39 PM |
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Got it. |
Old Crusoe |
May-03-07 07:46 PM |
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There's more women than men |
sandnsea |
May-03-07 05:24 PM |
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As if HRC is going to win 100% of women and 100% of the minority vote |
draft_mario_cuomo |
May-03-07 05:29 PM |
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The implication of the OP |
sandnsea |
May-03-07 05:39 PM |
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I know some repub housewives who hate Hillary |
jcrew2001 |
May-03-07 06:48 PM |
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I don't like Hillary |
sandnsea |
May-03-07 07:13 PM |
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Its always about the money and White Males have all the money |
jcrew2001 |
May-03-07 07:19 PM |
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I think it's because more white males vote than any other |
Clark2008 |
May-05-07 05:38 PM |
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What? |
Big Pappa |
May-03-07 09:36 PM |
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All things being equal, Kerry is a much stronger general election candidate |
draft_mario_cuomo |
May-03-07 05:27 PM |
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I think they are equally weak in the GE |
jcrew2001 |
May-03-07 11:09 PM |
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Hillary WOULDN'T run in 2004 - most Dems expected Bush to win and wouldn't rock |
blm |
May-04-07 10:19 AM |
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We have incredible candidates and the pugs have a bunch of duds |
MasonJar |
May-03-07 05:36 PM |
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I'll vote Hillary over Edwards, if this is the point you make, but not over Obama. |
Mass |
May-03-07 08:03 PM |
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But can Hillary carry any red states? |
jcrew2001 |
May-03-07 11:08 PM |
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There is NO comparison imho... |
zulchzulu |
May-03-07 08:20 PM |
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He doesn't he is better in every way! n/t |
wisteria |
May-03-07 09:20 PM |
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How does constipation compare to diarrhea? |
Forkboy |
May-03-07 10:26 PM |
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Diarrhea is better because it cleanses the system, imo |
jcrew2001 |
May-03-07 11:07 PM |
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I should have tried them enemas then. |
Forkboy |
May-03-07 11:13 PM |
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Kerry is taller. |
AtomicKitten |
May-03-07 11:02 PM |
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She JOINS the GOP wrecking crew when needed - with Dem friends like these, who needs GOPs? |
blm |
May-04-07 12:18 PM |
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I prefer to support our presidential nominees, |
AtomicKitten |
May-04-07 03:31 PM |
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You can support the nominee with the integrity TeamClinton showed Kerry c2002-2004 |
blm |
May-04-07 04:56 PM |
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unless their name is Clinton, of course |
AtomicKitten |
May-04-07 06:22 PM |
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Who said she won? She still has to beat all those other candidates |
illinoisprogressive |
May-03-07 11:29 PM |
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They're both blondes except for Kerry |
mtnsnake |
May-03-07 11:33 PM |
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Hillary Statement on Deauthorizing the War |
Tellurian |
May-04-07 06:17 AM |
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Both would make fine Presidents. n/t |
Kerry2008 |
May-04-07 10:18 AM |
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Kerry more or less won the general election in 2004 |
NewYorkerfromMass |
May-04-07 03:29 PM |
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Hillary will fight for us to the end... |
Tellurian |
May-04-07 03:37 PM |
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You mean Dean is using HIS 4 yrs to SECURE THE ELECTION PROCESS that McAuliffe wouldn't |
blm |
May-04-07 04:51 PM |
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Dean is building on the solvent, modernized Democratic Party |
AtomicKitten |
May-04-07 06:30 PM |
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AK, you are sooo right..!! (eom) |
Tellurian |
May-04-07 10:36 PM |
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Kerry - always civil and will never stab a Dem in the back - unlike McAuliffe, Carville, Clinton |
blm |
May-05-07 08:38 AM |
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Kerry more or less won the general election in 2004 |
w4rma |
May-04-07 03:34 PM |
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do tell |
AtomicKitten |
May-04-07 03:36 PM |
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Oh cut it out. Hill is well regarded here in NY |
NewYorkerfromMass |
May-04-07 04:55 PM |
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So? Ghouliani is well regarded in NY too. She spent massive amounts of money in her most recent |
w4rma |
May-04-07 07:21 PM |
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Quinipiac shows Hillary losing PA and NJ to Rudy |
jcrew2001 |
May-04-07 09:24 PM |
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Quinipiac does awful polling in NJ |
karynnj |
May-04-07 09:51 PM |
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Hillary is more popular than John Kerry in their home States....Thats a BIG difference |
Tellurian |
May-04-07 09:56 PM |
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Just wondering if John Kerry is jealous of Hillary's popularity.. |
Tellurian |
May-05-07 12:51 AM |
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i think he is jealous Bill Clinton loves Pappy Bush instead of him |
JI7 |
May-05-07 01:17 AM |
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If he starts now, he can try again in 2016... |
Tellurian |
May-05-07 08:54 AM |
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Kerry is probably wondering why Clinton hired Jiminy Le Turncoat Carville... |
zulchzulu |
May-05-07 02:29 PM |
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In his last MA election he got 81% of the vote |
karynnj |
May-05-07 02:20 PM |
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Will you stop it with the facts already! I was just adjusting my blinders when you had to... |
zulchzulu |
May-05-07 02:27 PM |
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So what? The poll I posted is 3 days old.. |
Tellurian |
May-05-07 03:56 PM |
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Kerry is running for Senate |
karynnj |
May-05-07 04:24 PM |
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May-05-07 05:29 PM |
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May-05-07 06:45 PM |
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So it's ok to smear Kerry just to promote Hillary? |
politicasista |
May-05-07 06:55 PM |
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I'm jumping into a briar patch here, |
windy252 |
May-05-07 02:44 PM |
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Kerry did not let Carville on his team |
karynnj |
May-05-07 03:15 PM |
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Thanks for correcting n/t |
windy252 |
May-05-07 03:17 PM |
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Did Kerry serve in Viet Nam? |
iconocrastic |
May-05-07 05:37 PM |
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Yes, but only according to reputable sources |
TayTay |
May-05-07 08:24 PM |
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Maybe those facts deserve wider dissemination |
iconocrastic |
May-06-07 01:20 AM |
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Yes he and others did |
karynnj |
May-06-07 12:31 PM |
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I'm not sure, but on some days, in some ways, |
TayTay |
May-05-07 09:13 PM |
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OP calls Hillary a "liberal" - OPer ain't been paying attention. And, btw: |
MethuenProgressive |
May-05-07 09:24 PM |
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And a fear-minded public, Osama and wartime incumbent |
politicasista |
May-05-07 10:23 PM |
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Basic handicapping |
Awsi Dooger |
May-06-07 03:50 AM |
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Kerry knew 2004 would be tough - he also knew |
karynnj |
May-06-07 12:29 PM |
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