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| 35. "MMMMMMM" Edwards MUST Be Gaining MOMENTUM... IMO, This |
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is being put out there NOW, because of last week's MoveOn.org poll! Sorry, still not going to change MY Mind for now... Considering THIS information has been OUT THERE since 2004, the timing seems a little suspicious to me.
Iraq IS WHAT IT IS!! A Humongous Rape on another country and FAR TOO MANY people here in America or shall I say, U.S. of ASS got SUCKERED and fell on the SWORD in the NAME OF PATRIOTISM!
Shall we LEARN from this and make OUR COUNTRY better for it, or simply run around in circles bashing our OWN candidates??? Can we get Feingold elected??? Can we get Kucinich elected? Can we get Leahy elected? Or any of those "others" who were AGAINST the war??
HELL NO, we can't! There was a time I just wanted get up and LEAVE this country, MOVE OUT and go somewhere else, until I sat down and talked to myself and said... "this is OUR COUNTRY, not THEIR's and I'm not going to give it to them so easily!"
So for those of you who are not fans of Edwards.... it IS YOU RIGHT to continue along these lines, but even though I'm no Hillary fan, I'm NOT going to constantly hit her over the head. I will simply state the reasons I don't support her to others and go on from there. I've gone to many ANTI-War marches and events, however it has NOT nor do I think it the marches WILL end it! I just felt the need to lend my voice and vent my frustration!
Charlie Rangel is correct... bring back the DRAFT... this WAR will end very quickly! And don't get me wrong, I have an 18 year old grandson and I most certainly don't want him called up, I married my husband way back when to KEEP HIM OUT of Viet Nam, so I am conflicted about a DRAFT! I was raised as an Army Brat, and swore I would NEVER marry a military man. My father was SUPER, did not abuse any of his 6 girls in any way... but I always wanted NOT to be one of those military brats!
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| -Boston Globe: "John Edwards's Changing Tune on the Iraq War Vote" |
flpoljunkie |
Apr-17-07 08:38 AM |
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Woah, convoluted article. It does show who big media fears the most, considering they're starting |
w4rma |
Apr-17-07 08:40 AM |
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Sounds like Terry McAwful's book ? |
Catchawave |
Apr-17-07 10:27 AM |
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But is it true? And what was that other IWR amendment he and Joementum sponsored? |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 10:56 AM |
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see, that's the problem, it IS true. |
GreenArrow |
Apr-17-07 02:26 PM |
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2004....Hummm, |
waiting for hope |
Apr-17-07 08:40 AM |
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Edwards was not positioning himself in late 2005 as anti-war candidate to go up against Clinton? |
flpoljunkie |
Apr-17-07 09:19 AM |
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Kinda yeah...the whole Democratic convention 2004 failed to address the war |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 09:38 AM |
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"Wrong war, wrong time, wrong place" |
karynnj |
Apr-17-07 12:04 PM |
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You make excellent points, karynnj. How I loved it when Kerry talked about "regime change" in US! |
flpoljunkie |
Apr-17-07 12:16 PM |
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BS polls! Republicans would have voted en masse for Kerry along with us |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 01:17 PM |
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On Du, yes - In the rest of the nation, no |
karynnj |
Apr-17-07 03:44 PM |
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But Kerry voted for the IWR. That vote will haunt him and Edwards forever. |
Alexander |
Apr-17-07 05:13 PM |
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He would agree with you that his trust was misplaced |
karynnj |
Apr-17-07 06:20 PM |
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I think more people would've turned out, if there was a bigger difference. |
Alexander |
Apr-17-07 10:56 PM |
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2004 Delegates were HUGELY against war |
BillORightsMan |
Apr-17-07 10:06 PM |
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I'm sorry I voted to needlessly kill 3,100+ Americans. |
Clark2008 |
Apr-17-07 10:59 AM |
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He said that? n/t |
Catchawave |
Apr-17-07 11:18 AM |
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No - but he might as well have. |
Clark2008 |
Apr-17-07 12:17 PM |
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"I am sorry I sponsored a bill that gave W the authority to start a war that killed.... |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 01:21 PM |
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no, no... there was a need |
GreenArrow |
Apr-17-07 02:45 PM |
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Not quite so convoluted - and very important ! Watch this video |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 08:58 AM |
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K&R We knew Kerry privately admitted to the press he was sorry and I was |
SpongeBob |
Apr-17-07 09:01 AM |
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ah ha, it's the UNAMED sources again..... nt |
msongs |
Apr-17-07 09:13 AM |
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OK, then YOU splain it to me, why didn't they say "sorry" in 2004? |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 09:15 AM |
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I think that Kerry's answer narrowly considered the question |
karynnj |
Apr-17-07 12:33 PM |
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Never got why Kerry did this (after his correct 1992 vote!) |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 01:24 PM |
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Unnamed, but these sources were part of the Kerry/Edwards campaigns, and privy to conversations |
flpoljunkie |
Apr-17-07 09:22 AM |
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My understanding too..and it just ads up. |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 09:36 AM |
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remember also |
abburdlen |
Apr-17-07 09:45 AM |
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It certainly does. It's what made him so damn sure he KNEW! |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 09:55 AM |
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It does not excuse it or explain it |
WesDem |
Apr-17-07 09:56 AM |
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Every time you say IWR, a kitten is hung up in a tree and left there.... |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 09:58 AM |
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With all due respect, WesDem |
venable |
Apr-17-07 01:04 PM |
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Current anti-war position: attack Iran!!!!!!!!!! |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 01:27 PM |
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not true. |
venable |
Apr-18-07 11:35 AM |
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this is getting well off topic |
abburdlen |
Apr-19-07 10:05 AM |
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Current anti-war positions do not suffice for me |
WesDem |
Apr-17-07 07:29 PM |
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your prerogative, of course |
venable |
Apr-18-07 11:39 AM |
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He also did more than vote, he co-sponsored the bill. |
MH1 |
Apr-17-07 10:28 AM |
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There was another amendment - that only he and Joementum sponsored |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 10:54 AM |
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So Edwards |
huskerlaw |
Apr-17-07 09:56 AM |
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Sour grapes? What a strange reaction! If you think I give Kerry a pass for it, you don't |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 10:02 AM |
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I'm just checking... |
huskerlaw |
Apr-17-07 10:09 AM |
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No, desperation never came into it. We know of a meeting with the press, king makers |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 10:18 AM |
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You're going to read it how you want to read it |
huskerlaw |
Apr-17-07 11:22 AM |
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Edwards actually has many shifts - not just on the war |
karynnj |
Apr-17-07 04:09 PM |
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He was against apologizing for the IWR vote before he was for it |
BeyondGeography |
Apr-17-07 10:27 AM |
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The media is making sure voters stay uninformed. This is Edwards' SECOND |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 10:52 AM |
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That's completely untrue |
huskerlaw |
Apr-17-07 11:24 AM |
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Very little to attack him on? such as ...sponsoring IWR? And another amendment |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 12:52 PM |
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All of that is well-known |
huskerlaw |
Apr-17-07 12:55 PM |
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Not true! I didn't remember for a fact he voted for the bankruptcy law! |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 03:37 PM |
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I'm sorry that you didn't remember it |
huskerlaw |
Apr-17-07 03:58 PM |
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Personal???? I spend hours daily informing myself - I see pages and pages of |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 06:00 PM |
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Whooooa |
huskerlaw |
Apr-17-07 06:19 PM |
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Oh, I know that complexity on Iran: threat in Israel, backtrack on the net |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 06:42 PM |
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I agree - I didn't see the bankrupcy bill |
karynnj |
Apr-18-07 08:31 AM |
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The US "media" will most certainly always |
zidzi |
Apr-17-07 01:20 PM |
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Touche! |
flpoljunkie |
Apr-17-07 11:22 AM |
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The netroots are willing to give him a pass |
seasonedblue |
Apr-17-07 10:58 AM |
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Edwards has changed his tune |
abburdlen |
Apr-17-07 12:00 PM |
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He has changed his tune on other things as well. |
TayTay |
Apr-17-07 12:24 PM |
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Now, which of the two Americas was he helping here? I thought I remembered he did |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 01:37 PM |
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Senator Kerry thought enough of Senator Edwards to select him for |
Old Crusoe |
Apr-17-07 06:36 PM |
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and, given the chance, will screw again on Iran - he told us that much! |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 12:57 PM |
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"MMMMMMM" Edwards MUST Be Gaining MOMENTUM... IMO, This |
ChiciB1 |
Apr-17-07 12:23 PM |
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In Kos' poll he is runaway winner, but is holding steady at third place in Rasmussen weekly Dem poll |
flpoljunkie |
Apr-17-07 12:30 PM |
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I hope we do learn from it |
abburdlen |
Apr-17-07 12:46 PM |
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Were they in a position to vote? |
Catchawave |
Apr-17-07 12:53 PM |
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Why is it a huge distinction? |
abburdlen |
Apr-17-07 01:11 PM |
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I agree. Going on record AT THE TIME of the vote - see Gore for instance, or Clark |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 01:45 PM |
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Except if you don't have to vote - you don't get caught in a yes/no dicotomy |
karynnj |
Apr-17-07 04:24 PM |
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And Clark specifically stated |
ICantBelieve |
Apr-17-07 05:43 PM |
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I am not an Edwards fan - and I said nothing of Clark |
karynnj |
Apr-17-07 06:09 PM |
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They may have TESTIFIED BEFORE CONGRESS... |
ICantBelieve |
Apr-17-07 05:28 PM |
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Good judgment in a POTUS - what a novel idea! |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 01:06 PM |
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Punish the profiteers rather than draft cannon fodder to raise consciousness... |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 01:02 PM |
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Thanks ChiciB1.... |
waiting for hope |
Apr-17-07 06:27 PM |
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Thank You Too. I Wonder Sometimes If We'll Be Able To Come |
ChiciB1 |
Apr-17-07 10:43 PM |
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everything ChiciB1 said |
venable |
Apr-19-07 08:40 AM |
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everything ChiciB1 said |
venable |
Apr-19-07 08:40 AM |
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I already knew that Edwards used to support the war. What is new here? |
Dr Fate |
Apr-17-07 02:02 PM |
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The author questions whether Edward's supposed candor now is "just more political positioning." |
flpoljunkie |
Apr-17-07 02:21 PM |
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Even if true, I've been waiting for some "political positioning" that I agree with for years. |
Dr Fate |
Apr-17-07 02:42 PM |
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I don't know if he's sincere or not, but I would love to know what Kerry thinks about Edwards. |
flpoljunkie |
Apr-17-07 02:45 PM |
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Perfectly legit question. I'd like to know that answer myself. |
Dr Fate |
Apr-17-07 03:07 PM |
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That Is The Spirit, Doctor! |
The Magistrate |
Apr-17-07 02:53 PM |
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Does the fact that he's ready to start another war (Iran) affect your forgiveness |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 03:43 PM |
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LOL.....Now you're cooking with gas! |
Forkboy |
Apr-17-07 04:47 PM |
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It's really pandering you need - or someone actually representing you? |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 05:53 PM |
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If Edwards keeps 80% of his word, then he will represent me. |
Dr Fate |
Apr-17-07 08:17 PM |
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Excellent point. |
Old Crusoe |
Apr-17-07 06:33 PM |
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My Sentiments EXACTLY... I Was Just Wondering How Long We're |
ChiciB1 |
Apr-17-07 02:38 PM |
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How about Iran? The thing he's about to do? Does another war count? |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 03:47 PM |
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NOPE!! |
ChiciB1 |
Apr-17-07 10:52 PM |
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This article is un-objective. |
MATTMAN |
Apr-17-07 02:35 PM |
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un-objective????? And how about his plan for Iran????? |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 03:44 PM |
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Now Count... |
jen4clark |
Apr-17-07 05:14 PM |
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It just all sounds so Manchurian candidate to me...I'll be good! i'll conform! |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 05:50 PM |
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It's not just being discussed here, |
seasonedblue |
Apr-17-07 05:57 PM |
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You sure do turn up on a lot of anti-Edwards threads on DU, flpoljunkie. |
Old Crusoe |
Apr-17-07 06:30 PM |
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Yes, but I passed on $400 haircut non-story, Old Crusoe. This article is about Edward's character. |
flpoljunkie |
Apr-17-07 06:40 PM |
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Numerous and consistently presented, in fact. You appear to be the |
Old Crusoe |
Apr-17-07 06:42 PM |
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Morning! "Instigating theme" of the anti-Edwards threads? It's difficult to respond to incoherence. |
flpoljunkie |
Apr-18-07 07:00 AM |
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Your keen focus on the party's goals to defeat the Republicans |
Old Crusoe |
Apr-19-07 10:20 AM |
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So far 9 Votes ! That's sad and |
Catchawave |
Apr-17-07 06:40 PM |
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Hey ya there, Catchawave. A friendly face and a genuine welcome from |
Old Crusoe |
Apr-17-07 06:44 PM |
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Yes, thanks ! Here's a little something for ya: |
Catchawave |
Apr-17-07 06:55 PM |
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Hey. Thanks for that link. I threw a quick post onto the heap |
Old Crusoe |
Apr-17-07 07:04 PM |
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Hey, Catchawave... I'm Still Hanging In There Too! I Told Myself I Wasn't |
ChiciB1 |
Apr-17-07 10:23 PM |
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Hey Chic, as much as I hate kicking this thread |
Catchawave |
Apr-18-07 08:59 AM |
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Not counting (pardon the pun) but this was kinda relevant, doncha think? |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 06:45 PM |
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Boston Globe did its share of swiftboating on Kerry back in 2004 |
IndianaGreen |
Apr-17-07 07:10 PM |
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This is really quite the hit piece. While it makes no direct accusations, it implies everything. |
jsamuel |
Apr-17-07 07:47 PM |
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