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Tue Apr-17-07 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #21 |
| 23. There was another amendment - that only he and Joementum sponsored |
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One far to the right - to counteract the Byrd and Kennedy ones. An Edwards supporter dropped the stink bomb by mistake - then removed the link before I could get to copy it. THEY know.
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| -Boston Globe: "John Edwards's Changing Tune on the Iraq War Vote" |
flpoljunkie |
Apr-17-07 08:38 AM |
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Woah, convoluted article. It does show who big media fears the most, considering they're starting |
w4rma |
Apr-17-07 08:40 AM |
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Sounds like Terry McAwful's book ? |
Catchawave |
Apr-17-07 10:27 AM |
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But is it true? And what was that other IWR amendment he and Joementum sponsored? |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 10:56 AM |
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see, that's the problem, it IS true. |
GreenArrow |
Apr-17-07 02:26 PM |
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2004....Hummm, |
waiting for hope |
Apr-17-07 08:40 AM |
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Edwards was not positioning himself in late 2005 as anti-war candidate to go up against Clinton? |
flpoljunkie |
Apr-17-07 09:19 AM |
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Kinda yeah...the whole Democratic convention 2004 failed to address the war |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 09:38 AM |
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"Wrong war, wrong time, wrong place" |
karynnj |
Apr-17-07 12:04 PM |
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You make excellent points, karynnj. How I loved it when Kerry talked about "regime change" in US! |
flpoljunkie |
Apr-17-07 12:16 PM |
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BS polls! Republicans would have voted en masse for Kerry along with us |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 01:17 PM |
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On Du, yes - In the rest of the nation, no |
karynnj |
Apr-17-07 03:44 PM |
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But Kerry voted for the IWR. That vote will haunt him and Edwards forever. |
Alexander |
Apr-17-07 05:13 PM |
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He would agree with you that his trust was misplaced |
karynnj |
Apr-17-07 06:20 PM |
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I think more people would've turned out, if there was a bigger difference. |
Alexander |
Apr-17-07 10:56 PM |
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2004 Delegates were HUGELY against war |
BillORightsMan |
Apr-17-07 10:06 PM |
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I'm sorry I voted to needlessly kill 3,100+ Americans. |
Clark2008 |
Apr-17-07 10:59 AM |
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He said that? n/t |
Catchawave |
Apr-17-07 11:18 AM |
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No - but he might as well have. |
Clark2008 |
Apr-17-07 12:17 PM |
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"I am sorry I sponsored a bill that gave W the authority to start a war that killed.... |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 01:21 PM |
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no, no... there was a need |
GreenArrow |
Apr-17-07 02:45 PM |
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Not quite so convoluted - and very important ! Watch this video |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 08:58 AM |
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K&R We knew Kerry privately admitted to the press he was sorry and I was |
SpongeBob |
Apr-17-07 09:01 AM |
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ah ha, it's the UNAMED sources again..... nt |
msongs |
Apr-17-07 09:13 AM |
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OK, then YOU splain it to me, why didn't they say "sorry" in 2004? |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 09:15 AM |
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I think that Kerry's answer narrowly considered the question |
karynnj |
Apr-17-07 12:33 PM |
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Never got why Kerry did this (after his correct 1992 vote!) |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 01:24 PM |
#51 |
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Unnamed, but these sources were part of the Kerry/Edwards campaigns, and privy to conversations |
flpoljunkie |
Apr-17-07 09:22 AM |
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My understanding too..and it just ads up. |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 09:36 AM |
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remember also |
abburdlen |
Apr-17-07 09:45 AM |
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It certainly does. It's what made him so damn sure he KNEW! |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 09:55 AM |
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It does not excuse it or explain it |
WesDem |
Apr-17-07 09:56 AM |
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Every time you say IWR, a kitten is hung up in a tree and left there.... |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 09:58 AM |
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With all due respect, WesDem |
venable |
Apr-17-07 01:04 PM |
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Current anti-war position: attack Iran!!!!!!!!!! |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 01:27 PM |
#52 |
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not true. |
venable |
Apr-18-07 11:35 AM |
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this is getting well off topic |
abburdlen |
Apr-19-07 10:05 AM |
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Current anti-war positions do not suffice for me |
WesDem |
Apr-17-07 07:29 PM |
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your prerogative, of course |
venable |
Apr-18-07 11:39 AM |
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He also did more than vote, he co-sponsored the bill. |
MH1 |
Apr-17-07 10:28 AM |
#21 |
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There was another amendment - that only he and Joementum sponsored |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 10:54 AM |
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So Edwards |
huskerlaw |
Apr-17-07 09:56 AM |
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Sour grapes? What a strange reaction! If you think I give Kerry a pass for it, you don't |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 10:02 AM |
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I'm just checking... |
huskerlaw |
Apr-17-07 10:09 AM |
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No, desperation never came into it. We know of a meeting with the press, king makers |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 10:18 AM |
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You're going to read it how you want to read it |
huskerlaw |
Apr-17-07 11:22 AM |
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Edwards actually has many shifts - not just on the war |
karynnj |
Apr-17-07 04:09 PM |
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He was against apologizing for the IWR vote before he was for it |
BeyondGeography |
Apr-17-07 10:27 AM |
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The media is making sure voters stay uninformed. This is Edwards' SECOND |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 10:52 AM |
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That's completely untrue |
huskerlaw |
Apr-17-07 11:24 AM |
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Very little to attack him on? such as ...sponsoring IWR? And another amendment |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 12:52 PM |
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All of that is well-known |
huskerlaw |
Apr-17-07 12:55 PM |
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Not true! I didn't remember for a fact he voted for the bankruptcy law! |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 03:37 PM |
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I'm sorry that you didn't remember it |
huskerlaw |
Apr-17-07 03:58 PM |
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Personal???? I spend hours daily informing myself - I see pages and pages of |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 06:00 PM |
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Whooooa |
huskerlaw |
Apr-17-07 06:19 PM |
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Oh, I know that complexity on Iran: threat in Israel, backtrack on the net |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 06:42 PM |
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I agree - I didn't see the bankrupcy bill |
karynnj |
Apr-18-07 08:31 AM |
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The US "media" will most certainly always |
zidzi |
Apr-17-07 01:20 PM |
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Touche! |
flpoljunkie |
Apr-17-07 11:22 AM |
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The netroots are willing to give him a pass |
seasonedblue |
Apr-17-07 10:58 AM |
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Edwards has changed his tune |
abburdlen |
Apr-17-07 12:00 PM |
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He has changed his tune on other things as well. |
TayTay |
Apr-17-07 12:24 PM |
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Now, which of the two Americas was he helping here? I thought I remembered he did |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 01:37 PM |
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Senator Kerry thought enough of Senator Edwards to select him for |
Old Crusoe |
Apr-17-07 06:36 PM |
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and, given the chance, will screw again on Iran - he told us that much! |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 12:57 PM |
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"MMMMMMM" Edwards MUST Be Gaining MOMENTUM... IMO, This |
ChiciB1 |
Apr-17-07 12:23 PM |
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In Kos' poll he is runaway winner, but is holding steady at third place in Rasmussen weekly Dem poll |
flpoljunkie |
Apr-17-07 12:30 PM |
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I hope we do learn from it |
abburdlen |
Apr-17-07 12:46 PM |
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Were they in a position to vote? |
Catchawave |
Apr-17-07 12:53 PM |
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Why is it a huge distinction? |
abburdlen |
Apr-17-07 01:11 PM |
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I agree. Going on record AT THE TIME of the vote - see Gore for instance, or Clark |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 01:45 PM |
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Except if you don't have to vote - you don't get caught in a yes/no dicotomy |
karynnj |
Apr-17-07 04:24 PM |
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And Clark specifically stated |
ICantBelieve |
Apr-17-07 05:43 PM |
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I am not an Edwards fan - and I said nothing of Clark |
karynnj |
Apr-17-07 06:09 PM |
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They may have TESTIFIED BEFORE CONGRESS... |
ICantBelieve |
Apr-17-07 05:28 PM |
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Good judgment in a POTUS - what a novel idea! |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 01:06 PM |
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Punish the profiteers rather than draft cannon fodder to raise consciousness... |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 01:02 PM |
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Thanks ChiciB1.... |
waiting for hope |
Apr-17-07 06:27 PM |
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Thank You Too. I Wonder Sometimes If We'll Be Able To Come |
ChiciB1 |
Apr-17-07 10:43 PM |
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everything ChiciB1 said |
venable |
Apr-19-07 08:40 AM |
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everything ChiciB1 said |
venable |
Apr-19-07 08:40 AM |
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I already knew that Edwards used to support the war. What is new here? |
Dr Fate |
Apr-17-07 02:02 PM |
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The author questions whether Edward's supposed candor now is "just more political positioning." |
flpoljunkie |
Apr-17-07 02:21 PM |
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Even if true, I've been waiting for some "political positioning" that I agree with for years. |
Dr Fate |
Apr-17-07 02:42 PM |
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I don't know if he's sincere or not, but I would love to know what Kerry thinks about Edwards. |
flpoljunkie |
Apr-17-07 02:45 PM |
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Perfectly legit question. I'd like to know that answer myself. |
Dr Fate |
Apr-17-07 03:07 PM |
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That Is The Spirit, Doctor! |
The Magistrate |
Apr-17-07 02:53 PM |
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Does the fact that he's ready to start another war (Iran) affect your forgiveness |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 03:43 PM |
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LOL.....Now you're cooking with gas! |
Forkboy |
Apr-17-07 04:47 PM |
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It's really pandering you need - or someone actually representing you? |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 05:53 PM |
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If Edwards keeps 80% of his word, then he will represent me. |
Dr Fate |
Apr-17-07 08:17 PM |
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Excellent point. |
Old Crusoe |
Apr-17-07 06:33 PM |
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My Sentiments EXACTLY... I Was Just Wondering How Long We're |
ChiciB1 |
Apr-17-07 02:38 PM |
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How about Iran? The thing he's about to do? Does another war count? |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 03:47 PM |
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NOPE!! |
ChiciB1 |
Apr-17-07 10:52 PM |
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This article is un-objective. |
MATTMAN |
Apr-17-07 02:35 PM |
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un-objective????? And how about his plan for Iran????? |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 03:44 PM |
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Now Count... |
jen4clark |
Apr-17-07 05:14 PM |
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It just all sounds so Manchurian candidate to me...I'll be good! i'll conform! |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 05:50 PM |
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It's not just being discussed here, |
seasonedblue |
Apr-17-07 05:57 PM |
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You sure do turn up on a lot of anti-Edwards threads on DU, flpoljunkie. |
Old Crusoe |
Apr-17-07 06:30 PM |
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Yes, but I passed on $400 haircut non-story, Old Crusoe. This article is about Edward's character. |
flpoljunkie |
Apr-17-07 06:40 PM |
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Numerous and consistently presented, in fact. You appear to be the |
Old Crusoe |
Apr-17-07 06:42 PM |
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Morning! "Instigating theme" of the anti-Edwards threads? It's difficult to respond to incoherence. |
flpoljunkie |
Apr-18-07 07:00 AM |
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Your keen focus on the party's goals to defeat the Republicans |
Old Crusoe |
Apr-19-07 10:20 AM |
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So far 9 Votes ! That's sad and |
Catchawave |
Apr-17-07 06:40 PM |
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Hey ya there, Catchawave. A friendly face and a genuine welcome from |
Old Crusoe |
Apr-17-07 06:44 PM |
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Yes, thanks ! Here's a little something for ya: |
Catchawave |
Apr-17-07 06:55 PM |
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Hey. Thanks for that link. I threw a quick post onto the heap |
Old Crusoe |
Apr-17-07 07:04 PM |
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Hey, Catchawave... I'm Still Hanging In There Too! I Told Myself I Wasn't |
ChiciB1 |
Apr-17-07 10:23 PM |
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Hey Chic, as much as I hate kicking this thread |
Catchawave |
Apr-18-07 08:59 AM |
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Not counting (pardon the pun) but this was kinda relevant, doncha think? |
The Count |
Apr-17-07 06:45 PM |
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Boston Globe did its share of swiftboating on Kerry back in 2004 |
IndianaGreen |
Apr-17-07 07:10 PM |
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This is really quite the hit piece. While it makes no direct accusations, it implies everything. |
jsamuel |
Apr-17-07 07:47 PM |
#99 |
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