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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 08:40 AM
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2. 2004....Hummm,
Edwards came out and apologized in November of 2005. Big difference.
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  -Boston Globe: "John Edwards's Changing Tune on the Iraq War Vote" flpoljunkie  Apr-17-07 08:38 AM   #0 
  - Woah, convoluted article. It does show who big media fears the most, considering they're starting  w4rma   Apr-17-07 08:40 AM   #1 
  - Sounds like Terry McAwful's book ?  Catchawave   Apr-17-07 10:27 AM   #19 
     - But is it true? And what was that other IWR amendment he and Joementum sponsored?  The Count   Apr-17-07 10:56 AM   #24 
        - see, that's the problem, it IS true.  GreenArrow   Apr-17-07 02:26 PM   #57 
  - 2004....Hummm,  waiting for hope   Apr-17-07 08:40 AM   #2 
  - Edwards was not positioning himself in late 2005 as anti-war candidate to go up against Clinton?  flpoljunkie   Apr-17-07 09:19 AM   #7 
  - Kinda yeah...the whole Democratic convention 2004 failed to address the war  The Count   Apr-17-07 09:38 AM   #10 
  - "Wrong war, wrong time, wrong place"  karynnj   Apr-17-07 12:04 PM   #32 
  - You make excellent points, karynnj. How I loved it when Kerry talked about "regime change" in US!  flpoljunkie   Apr-17-07 12:16 PM   #33 
  - BS polls! Republicans would have voted en masse for Kerry along with us  The Count   Apr-17-07 01:17 PM   #48 
  - On Du, yes - In the rest of the nation, no  karynnj   Apr-17-07 03:44 PM   #68 
  - But Kerry voted for the IWR. That vote will haunt him and Edwards forever.  Alexander   Apr-17-07 05:13 PM   #74 
     - He would agree with you that his trust was misplaced  karynnj   Apr-17-07 06:20 PM   #84 
        - I think more people would've turned out, if there was a bigger difference.  Alexander   Apr-17-07 10:56 PM   #105 
  - 2004 Delegates were HUGELY against war  BillORightsMan   Apr-17-07 10:06 PM   #101 
  - I'm sorry I voted to needlessly kill 3,100+ Americans.  Clark2008   Apr-17-07 10:59 AM   #26 
     - He said that? n/t  Catchawave   Apr-17-07 11:18 AM   #27 
     - No - but he might as well have.  Clark2008   Apr-17-07 12:17 PM   #34 
     - "I am sorry I sponsored a bill that gave W the authority to start a war that killed....  The Count   Apr-17-07 01:21 PM   #50 
     - no, no... there was a need  GreenArrow   Apr-17-07 02:45 PM   #62 
  - Not quite so convoluted - and very important ! Watch this video  The Count   Apr-17-07 08:58 AM   #3 
  - K&R We knew Kerry privately admitted to the press he was sorry and I was  SpongeBob   Apr-17-07 09:01 AM   #4 
  - ah ha, it's the UNAMED sources again..... nt  msongs   Apr-17-07 09:13 AM   #5 
  - OK, then YOU splain it to me, why didn't they say "sorry" in 2004?  The Count   Apr-17-07 09:15 AM   #6 
  - I think that Kerry's answer narrowly considered the question  karynnj   Apr-17-07 12:33 PM   #38 
     - Never got why Kerry did this (after his correct 1992 vote!)  The Count   Apr-17-07 01:24 PM   #51 
  - Unnamed, but these sources were part of the Kerry/Edwards campaigns, and privy to conversations  flpoljunkie   Apr-17-07 09:22 AM   #8 
     - My understanding too..and it just ads up.  The Count   Apr-17-07 09:36 AM   #9 
        - remember also  abburdlen   Apr-17-07 09:45 AM   #11 
           - It certainly does. It's what made him so damn sure he KNEW!  The Count   Apr-17-07 09:55 AM   #12 
           - It does not excuse it or explain it  WesDem   Apr-17-07 09:56 AM   #13 
           - Every time you say IWR, a kitten is hung up in a tree and left there....  The Count   Apr-17-07 09:58 AM   #15 
           - With all due respect, WesDem  venable   Apr-17-07 01:04 PM   #45 
              - Current anti-war position: attack Iran!!!!!!!!!!  The Count   Apr-17-07 01:27 PM   #52 
              - not true.  venable   Apr-18-07 11:35 AM   #109 
                 - this is getting well off topic  abburdlen   Apr-19-07 10:05 AM   #112 
              - Current anti-war positions do not suffice for me  WesDem   Apr-17-07 07:29 PM   #98 
                 - your prerogative, of course  venable   Apr-18-07 11:39 AM   #110 
           - He also did more than vote, he co-sponsored the bill.  MH1   Apr-17-07 10:28 AM   #21 
              - There was another amendment - that only he and Joementum sponsored  The Count   Apr-17-07 10:54 AM   #23 
  - So Edwards  huskerlaw   Apr-17-07 09:56 AM   #14 
  - Sour grapes? What a strange reaction! If you think I give Kerry a pass for it, you don't  The Count   Apr-17-07 10:02 AM   #16 
     - I'm just checking...  huskerlaw   Apr-17-07 10:09 AM   #17 
        - No, desperation never came into it. We know of a meeting with the press, king makers  The Count   Apr-17-07 10:18 AM   #18 
           - You're going to read it how you want to read it  huskerlaw   Apr-17-07 11:22 AM   #29 
              - Edwards actually has many shifts - not just on the war  karynnj   Apr-17-07 04:09 PM   #71 
  - He was against apologizing for the IWR vote before he was for it  BeyondGeography   Apr-17-07 10:27 AM   #20 
  - The media is making sure voters stay uninformed. This is Edwards' SECOND  The Count   Apr-17-07 10:52 AM   #22 
  - That's completely untrue  huskerlaw   Apr-17-07 11:24 AM   #30 
  - Very little to attack him on? such as ...sponsoring IWR? And another amendment  The Count   Apr-17-07 12:52 PM   #40 
     - All of that is well-known  huskerlaw   Apr-17-07 12:55 PM   #42 
        - Not true! I didn't remember for a fact he voted for the bankruptcy law!  The Count   Apr-17-07 03:37 PM   #65 
           - I'm sorry that you didn't remember it  huskerlaw   Apr-17-07 03:58 PM   #70 
              - Personal???? I spend hours daily informing myself - I see pages and pages of  The Count   Apr-17-07 06:00 PM   #81 
                 - Whooooa  huskerlaw   Apr-17-07 06:19 PM   #83 
                 - Oh, I know that complexity on Iran: threat in Israel, backtrack on the net  The Count   Apr-17-07 06:42 PM   #91 
                 - I agree - I didn't see the bankrupcy bill  karynnj   Apr-18-07 08:31 AM   #107 
  - The US "media" will most certainly always  zidzi   Apr-17-07 01:20 PM   #49 
  - Touche!  flpoljunkie   Apr-17-07 11:22 AM   #28 
  - The netroots are willing to give him a pass  seasonedblue   Apr-17-07 10:58 AM   #25 
  - Edwards has changed his tune  abburdlen   Apr-17-07 12:00 PM   #31 
  - He has changed his tune on other things as well.  TayTay   Apr-17-07 12:24 PM   #36 
  - Now, which of the two Americas was he helping here? I thought I remembered he did  The Count   Apr-17-07 01:37 PM   #53 
  - Senator Kerry thought enough of Senator Edwards to select him for  Old Crusoe   Apr-17-07 06:36 PM   #88 
  - and, given the chance, will screw again on Iran - he told us that much!  The Count   Apr-17-07 12:57 PM   #43 
  - "MMMMMMM" Edwards MUST Be Gaining MOMENTUM... IMO, This  ChiciB1   Apr-17-07 12:23 PM   #35 
  - In Kos' poll he is runaway winner, but is holding steady at third place in Rasmussen weekly Dem poll  flpoljunkie   Apr-17-07 12:30 PM   #37 
  - I hope we do learn from it  abburdlen   Apr-17-07 12:46 PM   #39 
  - Were they in a position to vote?  Catchawave   Apr-17-07 12:53 PM   #41 
  - Why is it a huge distinction?  abburdlen   Apr-17-07 01:11 PM   #47 
  - I agree. Going on record AT THE TIME of the vote - see Gore for instance, or Clark  The Count   Apr-17-07 01:45 PM   #54 
     - Except if you don't have to vote - you don't get caught in a yes/no dicotomy  karynnj   Apr-17-07 04:24 PM   #72 
        - And Clark specifically stated  ICantBelieve   Apr-17-07 05:43 PM   #77 
           - I am not an Edwards fan - and I said nothing of Clark  karynnj   Apr-17-07 06:09 PM   #82 
  - They may have TESTIFIED BEFORE CONGRESS...  ICantBelieve   Apr-17-07 05:28 PM   #76 
  - Good judgment in a POTUS - what a novel idea!  The Count   Apr-17-07 01:06 PM   #46 
  - Punish the profiteers rather than draft cannon fodder to raise consciousness...  The Count   Apr-17-07 01:02 PM   #44 
  - Thanks ChiciB1....  waiting for hope   Apr-17-07 06:27 PM   #85 
  - Thank You Too. I Wonder Sometimes If We'll Be Able To Come  ChiciB1   Apr-17-07 10:43 PM   #103 
  - everything ChiciB1 said  venable   Apr-19-07 08:40 AM   # 
  - everything ChiciB1 said  venable   Apr-19-07 08:40 AM   #111 
  - I already knew that Edwards used to support the war. What is new here?  Dr Fate   Apr-17-07 02:02 PM   #55 
  - The author questions whether Edward's supposed candor now is "just more political positioning."  flpoljunkie   Apr-17-07 02:21 PM   #56 
  - Even if true, I've been waiting for some "political positioning" that I agree with for years.  Dr Fate   Apr-17-07 02:42 PM   #60 
     - I don't know if he's sincere or not, but I would love to know what Kerry thinks about Edwards.  flpoljunkie   Apr-17-07 02:45 PM   #61 
     - Perfectly legit question. I'd like to know that answer myself.  Dr Fate   Apr-17-07 03:07 PM   #64 
     - That Is The Spirit, Doctor!  The Magistrate   Apr-17-07 02:53 PM   #63 
     - Does the fact that he's ready to start another war (Iran) affect your forgiveness  The Count   Apr-17-07 03:43 PM   #66 
     - LOL.....Now you're cooking with gas!  Forkboy   Apr-17-07 04:47 PM   #73 
     - It's really pandering you need - or someone actually representing you?  The Count   Apr-17-07 05:53 PM   #79 
     - If Edwards keeps 80% of his word, then he will represent me.  Dr Fate   Apr-17-07 08:17 PM   #100 
     - Excellent point.  Old Crusoe   Apr-17-07 06:33 PM   #87 
  - My Sentiments EXACTLY... I Was Just Wondering How Long We're  ChiciB1   Apr-17-07 02:38 PM   #59 
     - How about Iran? The thing he's about to do? Does another war count?  The Count   Apr-17-07 03:47 PM   #69 
        - NOPE!!  ChiciB1   Apr-17-07 10:52 PM   #104 
  - This article is un-objective.  MATTMAN   Apr-17-07 02:35 PM   #58 
  - un-objective????? And how about his plan for Iran?????  The Count   Apr-17-07 03:44 PM   #67 
     - Now Count...  jen4clark   Apr-17-07 05:14 PM   #75 
        - It just all sounds so Manchurian candidate to me...I'll be good! i'll conform!  The Count   Apr-17-07 05:50 PM   #78 
        - It's not just being discussed here,  seasonedblue   Apr-17-07 05:57 PM   #80 
  - You sure do turn up on a lot of anti-Edwards threads on DU, flpoljunkie.  Old Crusoe   Apr-17-07 06:30 PM   #86 
  - Yes, but I passed on $400 haircut non-story, Old Crusoe. This article is about Edward's character.  flpoljunkie   Apr-17-07 06:40 PM   #89 
  - Numerous and consistently presented, in fact. You appear to be the  Old Crusoe   Apr-17-07 06:42 PM   #92 
     - Morning! "Instigating theme" of the anti-Edwards threads? It's difficult to respond to incoherence.  flpoljunkie   Apr-18-07 07:00 AM   #106 
        - Your keen focus on the party's goals to defeat the Republicans  Old Crusoe   Apr-19-07 10:20 AM   #113 
  - So far 9 Votes ! That's sad and  Catchawave   Apr-17-07 06:40 PM   #90 
  - Hey ya there, Catchawave. A friendly face and a genuine welcome from  Old Crusoe   Apr-17-07 06:44 PM   #93 
  - Yes, thanks ! Here's a little something for ya:  Catchawave   Apr-17-07 06:55 PM   #95 
     - Hey. Thanks for that link. I threw a quick post onto the heap  Old Crusoe   Apr-17-07 07:04 PM   #96 
  - Hey, Catchawave... I'm Still Hanging In There Too! I Told Myself I Wasn't  ChiciB1   Apr-17-07 10:23 PM   #102 
     - Hey Chic, as much as I hate kicking this thread  Catchawave   Apr-18-07 08:59 AM   #108 
  - Not counting (pardon the pun) but this was kinda relevant, doncha think?  The Count   Apr-17-07 06:45 PM   #94 
  - Boston Globe did its share of swiftboating on Kerry back in 2004  IndianaGreen   Apr-17-07 07:10 PM   #97 
  - This is really quite the hit piece. While it makes no direct accusations, it implies everything.  jsamuel   Apr-17-07 07:47 PM   #99 

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