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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 06:13 PM
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47. The Guardian is one of the most respected papers on the planet...


far more objective about US politics than any US source i have found.
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  -Kerry says he is to Dean's RIGHT!!! TLM  Dec-27-03 05:28 PM   #0 
  - I saw that but there is no actual quote  party_line   Dec-27-03 05:31 PM   #1 
  - Dean Supporters like to play the Media Game: Use Media, not Facts to Attac  Raya   Dec-27-03 05:38 PM   #8 
  - You know Kerry's DLC accused Dean of being a fringe leftist...  TLM   Dec-27-03 05:40 PM   #11 
  - it's Dean's DLC too  Bombtrack   Dec-27-03 05:47 PM   #18 
     - Kerry is a current member of the DLC... Dean is not.  TLM   Dec-27-03 06:03 PM   #35 
        - What about welfare reform in '94? n/t  SahaleArm   Dec-27-03 06:18 PM   #52 
           - WHat about it.... Dean did welfare reform the right way  TLM   Dec-27-03 06:24 PM   # 
              - Source that they were tied together not used by the same person?  SahaleArm   Dec-27-03 06:45 PM   #75 
                 - Could you try that again?  TLM   Dec-27-03 06:55 PM   #83 
                    - Can you give me a source on your information?  SahaleArm   Dec-27-03 06:58 PM   #84 
                       - Here's a good one on the block grant issue  TLM   Dec-27-03 07:16 PM   #95 
                          - Right caseload dropped 40% - Benefits were cut for those...  SahaleArm   Dec-27-03 07:22 PM   #99 
                             - Did you even read that... the FEDERAL limit is 30 hours  TLM   Dec-27-03 07:31 PM   #104 
                                - So did he support it and pass it at the state level?  SahaleArm   Dec-27-03 07:51 PM   #114 
  - I AM a Dean supporter so...  party_line   Dec-27-03 06:07 PM   #38 
  - That's funny since... this is not an actual quote either...  TLM   Dec-27-03 05:39 PM   #9 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-27-03 05:56 PM   # 
  - Now if only he could get an Aerosmith endorsement,  MGKrebs   Dec-27-03 05:32 PM   #2 
  - More GOP Rovian fear mongering and from a once-solid Dem  Hoppin_Mad   Dec-27-03 05:34 PM   #3 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-27-03 06:08 PM   #40 
     - I'm glad you're admitting to it !  Hoppin_Mad   Dec-27-03 06:47 PM   #77 
  - The road less traveled originated in Vermont, Kerry.  janx   Dec-27-03 05:34 PM   #4 
  - That's really going to disappoint the "Kerry's a TRUE liberal" crowd.  Padraig18   Dec-27-03 05:35 PM   #5 
  - I dare say that if Kerry is to Dean's right, then he is where Tom Ridge is  IndianaGreen   Dec-27-03 05:40 PM   #10 
  - He wants to be President so desperately, he's forgotten who he is.  Padraig18   Dec-27-03 05:46 PM   #17 
     - And he's trying to sound like Robert f'ing Frost!  janx   Dec-27-03 05:56 PM   #28 
        - Well he's trying to find a nice way to say that he supports Bush's war  TLM   Dec-27-03 06:06 PM   #37 
           - He doesn't 'waffle', he 'nuances'.  Padraig18   Dec-27-03 06:09 PM   #42 
           - kind of like "evolving" right?? n/t  windansea   Dec-27-03 06:17 PM   #50 
              - The difference is evolving takes like 10 years  TLM   Dec-27-03 06:25 PM   #60 
                 - It took less than two years - since the start of the race n/t  SahaleArm   Dec-27-03 06:31 PM   #64 
                    - LOL! Yet you do not list a single issue or cite a quote or position  TLM   Dec-27-03 06:34 PM   #66 
                       - You mean Dean was Pro-Union, Anti-Nafta, Anti-Corporate...  SahaleArm   Dec-27-03 06:39 PM   #72 
                          - I just have to laugh  Code_Name_D   Dec-27-03 06:46 PM   #76 
                          - We're talking about Dean not Clark - stay on point n/t  SahaleArm   Dec-27-03 06:49 PM   #78 
                             - Actually we were talking about Kerry, and you tired to change the subject  TLM   Dec-27-03 07:10 PM   #92 
                                - Follow the thread - I was responding to your assertion about Dean n/t  SahaleArm   Dec-27-03 07:17 PM   #96 
                                   - Funny I follow the thread and the first mention of Dean by name was  TLM   Dec-27-03 07:24 PM   #100 
                                      - Then who were you referring to in the parent post?  SahaleArm   Dec-27-03 07:58 PM   #116 
                          - First off, you're not even characterising Dean's positions correctly now..  TLM   Dec-27-03 07:09 PM   #90 
                             - Right so the rhetoric which he often rolls back is just that.  SahaleArm   Dec-27-03 07:15 PM   #94 
                                - Again... no issues no specific arguments... just shots in the dark.  TLM   Dec-27-03 07:22 PM   #98 
                                   - Editorialized facts...  SahaleArm   Dec-27-03 07:27 PM   #102 
                                      - Why not look at the DLC attacks on Dean as a fringe leftist...  TLM   Dec-27-03 07:33 PM   #105 
                                         - Except they aren't berating him for being fringe...  SahaleArm   Dec-27-03 08:05 PM   #117 
           - But does his campaign have to be so stupid as to make  janx   Dec-27-03 06:11 PM   #44 
  - Kerry has a LONG AND PUBLIC RECORD of votes and positions.  WiseMen   Dec-27-03 06:12 PM   #45 
     - Kerry does not have the luxury of "sealed records" ???  TLM   Dec-27-03 06:21 PM   #55 
     - Kerry's records ARE sealed  Padraig18   Dec-27-03 06:51 PM   #81 
  - hmmm, perhaps editorial comment by reporter n/t  maddezmom   Dec-27-03 05:36 PM   #6 
  - thats what it looked like to me to too frankly  JohnKleeb   Dec-27-03 05:37 PM   #7 
  - Read kerry's quotes in the piece...  TLM   Dec-27-03 05:45 PM   #14 
     - Kerry has the more populist tax plan  Bombtrack   Dec-27-03 05:49 PM   #21 
     - It's keeping part of Bush tax fraud...  TLM   Dec-27-03 06:08 PM   #39 
        - So child tax credits are wrong?  Bombtrack   Dec-27-03 06:58 PM   #85 
           - The fact that Kerry supporters have to use Bush lies  TLM   Dec-27-03 07:27 PM   #101 
     - How Simplistic and Deceptive. Respect Our Intelligence, Please.  WiseMen   Dec-27-03 06:25 PM   #59 
        - If you find Kerry's words and posturing insulting to your intelligence...  TLM   Dec-27-03 06:29 PM   #63 
  - Political compass  BlueEyedSon   Dec-27-03 05:41 PM   #12 
  - Kerry is more centrist...and to Dean's left  windansea   Dec-27-03 05:44 PM   #13 
  - How is Kerry more centrist?  janx   Dec-27-03 05:54 PM   #25 
     - see the line in the middle??  windansea   Dec-27-03 06:06 PM   #36 
        - Oh please  dsc   Dec-27-03 06:09 PM   #41 
        - got to the site  windansea   Dec-27-03 06:14 PM   #48 
        - Please enlighten me by answering the question.  janx   Dec-27-03 06:12 PM   #46 
           - The data is based on governance not hand-waving n/t  SahaleArm   Dec-27-03 06:20 PM   #54 
           - That still doesn't answer my question.  janx   Dec-27-03 06:24 PM   #57 
              - Governers vote on most national issues at a state level including...  SahaleArm   Dec-27-03 06:54 PM   #82 
                 - Not to the extent that members of Congress do.  janx   Dec-27-03 07:01 PM   #86 
                    - It's based on his years as Governer which of course will not...  SahaleArm   Dec-27-03 07:10 PM   #91 
                       - Care to cite some specific policy changes?  TLM   Dec-27-03 07:36 PM   #106 
           - the graph shows Kerry clearly to the left  windansea   Dec-27-03 06:24 PM   #56 
              - I don't care what the goddam graph shows.  janx   Dec-27-03 06:27 PM   #62 
                 - The picture proves it.... look at the picture...  TLM   Dec-27-03 06:32 PM   #65 
                 - LOL!  janx   Dec-27-03 06:36 PM   #69 
                 - wrong  windansea   Dec-27-03 07:11 PM   #93 
                    - So Thatcher was to the right of HITLER????  TLM   Dec-27-03 07:39 PM   #107 
                       - read on  windansea   Dec-27-03 07:44 PM   #112 
                 - refute the data and methodology used  windansea   Dec-27-03 06:36 PM   #68 
                    - See post #65. It does none of that and is not scientific in the  janx   Dec-27-03 06:43 PM   #74 
                       - which data?  windansea   Dec-27-03 07:28 PM   #103 
                          - the test you can take at the site is not how they contructed the graph???  TLM   Dec-27-03 07:40 PM   #108 
  - I am suspicious of this "compass."  Code_Name_D   Dec-27-03 06:35 PM   #67 
  - I thought Kerry was the great liberal dispite his vote on IWR?  TeacherCreature   Dec-27-03 05:46 PM   #15 
  - Desperation  KaraokeKarlton   Dec-27-03 05:46 PM   #16 
  - What chance did my nephew have when Kerry gave Bush a black check?  The Zanti Regent   Dec-27-03 05:48 PM   #19 
  - I am so sorry and angry to hear this.  janx   Dec-27-03 05:53 PM   #24 
  - Even if your telling the truth about your nephew, Kerry never lied  Bombtrack   Dec-27-03 05:55 PM   #26 
  - Where does this person accuse Kerry of lying?  dsc   Dec-27-03 05:57 PM   #31 
  - Dean is a better Democrat than your candidate.  Padraig18   Dec-27-03 06:11 PM   #43 
  - Are you suggesting Zanti is lying? "even if you are telling the truth..."?  TeacherCreature   Dec-27-03 07:08 PM   #89 
  - That REALLY hit home  Hoppin_Mad   Dec-27-03 05:57 PM   #30 
  - I am so sorry Zanti  TeacherCreature   Dec-27-03 07:06 PM   #88 
  - so what?  Cocoa   Dec-27-03 05:48 PM   #20 
  - Why are we using a paper from United Kingdom to Slam Kerry?  Sensitivity   Dec-27-03 05:50 PM   #22 
  - You are right about the quote  dsc   Dec-27-03 05:55 PM   #27 
  - I did not say it was a direct quote...  TLM   Dec-27-03 06:16 PM   #49 
  - The Guardian is one of the most respected papers on the planet...  TLM   Dec-27-03 06:13 PM   #47 
  - C/Mon!!! We ALL know that...  seventhson   Dec-27-03 05:51 PM   #23 
  - I agree  Cocoa   Dec-27-03 05:56 PM   #29 
  - He's probably got some reptilian blood in him too ! ;-)  Hoppin_Mad   Dec-27-03 06:01 PM   #33 
  - After the primaries somebody needs to help me re-learn left and right.  JVS   Dec-27-03 06:00 PM   #32 
  - Kerry is an idiot  ErasureAcer   Dec-27-03 06:02 PM   #34 
  - Kerry is an idiot  IndianaGreen   Dec-27-03 06:18 PM   #51 
     - Kerry is an idiot  JVS   Dec-27-03 06:19 PM   #53 
        - And one more thing....Kerry is an idiot.  Scott Lee   Dec-27-03 07:42 PM   #110 
  - Two roads HAVE diverged in the New Hampshire woods.  stickdog   Dec-27-03 06:24 PM   #58 
  - And that road dead-ends...in Vermont.  janx   Dec-27-03 06:26 PM   #61 
  - ALthough Kerry won;t know it, since he's off the road  TLM   Dec-27-03 06:37 PM   #71 
  - it is littered and has poison ivy growing in the cracked pavement  TeacherCreature   Dec-27-03 07:21 PM   #97 
  - Kerry is so full of contradictions that he cannot be trusted  IndianaGreen   Dec-27-03 06:37 PM   #70 
  - you're full of contradictions too  Cocoa   Dec-27-03 07:05 PM   #87 
  - But he's not (and never said he was)...  mitchum   Dec-27-03 06:40 PM   #73 
  - POOP! - Kerry said that he was more Centrist, not to Dean's right!!!  Monte Carlo   Dec-27-03 06:49 PM   #79 
  - B-b-b-but if the media screams that Dean is a LEFTIST....  Scott Lee   Dec-27-03 07:41 PM   #109 
  - More centrist that Dean.....  TLM   Dec-27-03 07:43 PM   #111 
     - there you go!  windansea   Dec-27-03 07:54 PM   #115 
  - Who on earth is writing Kerry's speeches? Kerry was  janx   Dec-27-03 06:51 PM   #80 
  - The old saying comes to mind...  TLM   Dec-27-03 07:46 PM   #113 
  - locking...........  Moderator   Dec-27-03 08:42 PM   #118 
 

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