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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 03:36 AM
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53. Of course there is a system in place. It isn't WORKING, that's the point.
I am telling you, I KNOW parents who are NOT lazy. They're involved with their kids, they try to do right by them, but the system is just not as transparent as you seem to want to insist that it is. Because if it WERE that obvious, there wouldn't be an issue, would there?

The rating system isn't as clear for some of these non-computer literate, and non-game box literate, parents as you want to believe it is. Because if it were, there wouldn't be efforts to make it more user-friendly.

But hey, it's easier to call them all "lazy" I guess. That's an unfortunate and common invective used to separate out a group of people that one wants to perceive as "less than." We've seen it used throughout history...nothing changes, I guess.
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  -Should the government be a video game nanny like Holy Joe would like? ButterflyBlood  Apr-06-07 10:13 PM   #0 
  - No. nt  rep the dems   Apr-06-07 10:16 PM   #1 
  - You, My Friend, Are a Republican That Hates Powerful Women  MannyGoldstein   Apr-06-07 10:17 PM   #2 
  - Pandering to social conservatives is a sign of weakness, not strength  IndianaGreen   Apr-07-07 08:04 PM   #45 
  - We already have everything we need.  madeline_con   Apr-06-07 10:18 PM   #3 
  - I opposed Tipper Gore's interference in the music industry as well.  Buzz Clik   Apr-06-07 10:19 PM   #4 
  - Only if there's minimum sentencing guidlines 4 producing crap games like Left Behind: Eternal Forces  DRoseDARs   Apr-06-07 10:21 PM   #5 
  - would "Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing" merit a death sentence, then?  progdonkey   Apr-06-07 10:29 PM   #6 
     - hahah, yes, I've heard about that game before  ButterflyBlood   Apr-06-07 11:13 PM   #19 
  - speaking as a gamer and former Game Stop employee...  pc1971   Apr-06-07 10:31 PM   #7 
  - the Hell Knight on the cover and the name "DOOM" didn't clue her in, either?  progdonkey   Apr-06-07 10:45 PM   #10 
  - You JUST PROVED that the 'system' you tout isn't working  MADem   Apr-06-07 10:50 PM   #12 
     - the boxes are labeled very clearly, here is one of my daughter's and this is  chimpsrsmarter   Apr-06-07 10:54 PM   #13 
     - But you KNOW what you are looking for. Grandma or Grampa raising  MADem   Apr-06-07 11:01 PM   #15 
        - this is the cover to DOOM3... exactly what that parent would've seen...  progdonkey   Apr-06-07 11:10 PM   #18 
        - Yes. I am. Looks like something out of Ghostbusters--designed to be "Oooooh, scary!!"  MADem   Apr-06-07 11:37 PM   #22 
           - the front flap isn't wrapped up...  progdonkey   Apr-07-07 12:26 AM   #24 
           - I could see it at the link. Honestly, it doesn't seem that bad to me  MADem   Apr-07-07 01:32 AM   #28 
           - one more thing!  pc1971   Apr-07-07 01:41 PM   #37 
              - Wow, now see--I never would have gotten that from the cover art  MADem   Apr-08-07 03:50 AM   #54 
        - in regards to grandparents shopping for games...  pc1971   Apr-07-07 01:32 PM   #35 
        - You know, the 'dono' bullshit needs to stop. I DO know. That's called a personal insult  MADem   Apr-08-07 04:01 AM   #55 
           - it is not.  pc1971   Apr-08-07 12:41 PM   #61 
           - I know san and sama, never heard dono in everyday use, though.  MADem   Apr-09-07 12:57 PM   #75 
              - kenshin from  pc1971   Apr-09-07 03:41 PM   #83 
           - The poster was being respectful, not attacking you.  Zhade   Apr-08-07 04:28 PM   #65 
              - That was explained to me. I was not familiar with the term. NT  MADem   Apr-09-07 01:06 PM   #80 
        - "They might think that E is an M for Mature on it's side."  Zhade   Apr-07-07 07:47 PM   #43 
           - Well, that E isn't placed at the same angle as the other words on the box, is it?  MADem   Apr-08-07 04:12 AM   #56 
     - The boxes ARE clearly labeled, and the system is as simple as the one used for movies...  Solon   Apr-07-07 05:05 PM   #39 
     - E for Everyone is obvious. T for teen, too--more or less.  MADem   Apr-08-07 04:35 AM   #57 
        - This is what the M label looks like  ButterflyBlood   Apr-08-07 12:48 PM   #63 
           - And when did they come up with that design?  MADem   Apr-09-07 01:04 PM   #78 
     - Um, your argument only applies to blind people. Or MAYBE the illiterate.  Zhade   Apr-07-07 07:45 PM   #42 
     - No, I don't lose the argument. You can only see the world through YOUR knowledge base.  MADem   Apr-08-07 06:21 AM   #58 
        - The label on the box is not hard to read.  Zhade   Apr-08-07 04:31 PM   #66 
        - Again, no. And this whole thread, it turns out, is a big load of bullshit.  MADem   Apr-09-07 01:06 PM   #79 
        - If you're going to spend $50 or so on a video game,  scrinmaster   Apr-10-07 12:09 AM   #101 
     - Parents have an obligation to do their own research.  MATTMAN   Apr-08-07 05:40 PM   #73 
     - My grandmother can't use a computer or program a VCR  Hippo_Tron   Apr-09-07 05:15 PM   #88 
  - Well, Tipper Gore did something VERY similar. Only with MUSIC. Should she be scorned, too?  MADem   Apr-06-07 10:36 PM   #8 
  - forcing a ratings change to AO is effectively banning it...  progdonkey   Apr-06-07 11:04 PM   #17 
  - Well, then those games would be sold over the net. Or kept in the glass case.  MADem   Apr-07-07 12:16 AM   #23 
     - it's not really a matter of being tech-savvy...  progdonkey   Apr-07-07 01:37 AM   #29 
     - Well, the point about the cigarettes wasn't to equate the two, simply to demonstrate  MADem   Apr-07-07 02:16 AM   #31 
        - Your last line is somewhat unfair, given that large displays in the stores...  Zhade   Apr-07-07 08:08 PM   #46 
           - Well, no, I am not going to accept that. Because plenty of clueless parents that I know are NOT  MADem   Apr-08-07 03:14 AM   #51 
              - If they can't take the time to read the easily-understood ratings...  Zhade   Apr-08-07 04:32 PM   #67 
                 - At the time the proposed legislation was written, two years ago, the ratings weren't so clear.  MADem   Apr-09-07 01:13 PM   #81 
     - That's not the issue at all.  Zhade   Apr-07-07 07:58 PM   #44 
        - FUCK THEM, eh? Nice sentiment.  MADem   Apr-08-07 03:24 AM   #52 
           - Excuse me - when I say friend, it's not a fucking lie.  Zhade   Apr-08-07 04:33 PM   #68 
  - Yes, I also disliked that  ButterflyBlood   Apr-06-07 11:15 PM   #20 
  - MAD-dem-dono....  pc1971   Apr-07-07 01:36 PM   #36 
     - Of course there is a system in place. It isn't WORKING, that's the point.  MADem   Apr-08-07 03:36 AM   #53 
        - It's right on the box. You can't get clearer than that.  Zhade   Apr-08-07 04:34 PM   #69 
           - But it wasn't when the legislation---the OLD legislation that has since been tabled--was proposed.  MADem   Apr-09-07 05:32 PM   #91 
  - no but i'm for a ratings system, i have a daughter that has a playstation 2  chimpsrsmarter   Apr-06-07 10:41 PM   #9 
  - I vote we get rid of video games altogether. They are major contributors to the  southerncrone   Apr-06-07 10:47 PM   #11 
  - I strongly disagree. I think we should do better with the technology.  MADem   Apr-06-07 10:56 PM   #14 
  - Ironically, DDR has existed since the original Nintendo Entertainment System  Hippo_Tron   Apr-09-07 05:38 PM   #95 
  - you're assuming that only kids play games...  progdonkey   Apr-06-07 11:17 PM   #21 
  - You know that commercial that used to run that showed two oldsters  MADem   Apr-07-07 01:03 AM   #25 
  - Then I think that you should not allow your kids to play them.  greyhound1966   Apr-07-07 05:31 AM   #33 
  - Some stats for you  Forkboy   Apr-07-07 12:43 PM   #34 
  - "Open your mind, and shut your mouth." ???  ToeBot   Apr-07-07 05:30 PM   #40 
  - A completely ignorant opinion at that.  Zhade   Apr-07-07 08:10 PM   #47 
  - Probably the most authoritarian view I've ever seen on this forum  ButterflyBlood   Apr-07-07 09:15 PM   #49 
  - Kids would spend more time playing outside if they could do so safely  Hippo_Tron   Apr-09-07 05:43 PM   #96 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-07 11:04 PM   #16 
  - It's not what her opponent goes for, that's for sure--that kind of carping  MADem   Apr-07-07 01:28 AM   #27 
  - You're nothing if not predictable  MonkeyFunk   Apr-07-07 01:06 AM   #26 
  - A Federal Crime??  qdemn7   Apr-07-07 01:41 AM   #30 
  - Estes Kefauver did the same thing with comic books  Hippo_Tron   Apr-07-07 03:15 AM   #32 
  - Wow, some people here are pro-censorship.  Zhade   Apr-07-07 03:30 PM   #38 
  - sad but true n/t  ButterflyBlood   Apr-07-07 09:14 PM   #48 
  - Who here is "pro censorship?" No one. Just because people would like  MADem   Apr-08-07 06:27 AM   #59 
     - THERE ARE CLEAR MARKINGS ON THE GAMES  ButterflyBlood   Apr-08-07 12:45 PM   #62 
     - I wonder how some people decide what movies to watch.  Zhade   Apr-08-07 04:36 PM   #70 
     - If they were so clear, no one would have complained, would they?  MADem   Apr-09-07 01:02 PM   #77 
     - Check the yes votes before stating something that's not factual.  Zhade   Apr-08-07 04:36 PM   #71 
        - A single person suggested banning all video games.  MADem   Apr-09-07 05:34 PM   #92 
  - Hell no. There's too much censorship in the industry already.  meldroc   Apr-07-07 05:46 PM   #41 
  - My 2 cents  Aya Reiko   Apr-07-07 10:29 PM   #50 
  - This whole thread, though, is based on a lie.  MADem   Apr-08-07 06:33 AM   #60 
     - The ESRB ratings system has been around since 1994...  Solon   Apr-08-07 04:21 PM   #64 
     - Yes, but they moved to get more precise with the AO rating in RESPONSE to this proposed legislation  MADem   Apr-09-07 12:55 PM   #74 
        - Actually, one of the biggest criticisms of the ESRB is similar to what critics say of the MPAA...  Solon   Apr-09-07 05:16 PM   #89 
           - I agree with everything you've noted. You've got an accurate perception of the issues and the  MADem   Apr-09-07 05:30 PM   #90 
     - Your entire post is based on erroneous assumptions.  Zhade   Apr-08-07 04:38 PM   #72 
        - You aren't reading what I am writing. I realize ESRB has been around since  MADem   Apr-09-07 01:19 PM   #82 
  - Shouldn't this thread really be on the...  SaveElmer   Apr-09-07 01:00 PM   #76 
  - Careful  mtnsnake   Apr-09-07 03:43 PM   #84 
  - I do believe you have a point!!  MADem   Apr-09-07 05:34 PM   #93 
  - Hell no.  seawolf   Apr-09-07 03:52 PM   #85 
  - Wow that's an objective poll  NormanYorkstein   Apr-09-07 04:06 PM   #86 
  - Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Joe Lieberman Join ESRB  Forkboy   Apr-09-07 04:44 PM   #87 
  - Yes, and no mention of ANY legislation! Because it was tabled as ESRB cleaned their own house.  MADem   Apr-09-07 05:37 PM   #94 
     - If it's got nothing to do with legislation...  Bornaginhooligan   Apr-09-07 05:49 PM   #97 
     - The legislation was the "threat" two years ago to get ESRB to act on their own.  MADem   Apr-09-07 05:59 PM   #98 
     - I was just posting the most recent thing they had on this.  Forkboy   Apr-09-07 06:26 PM   #99 
  - I think the rating system is good now.  The Gunslinger   Apr-09-07 09:03 PM   #100 

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