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lizbitchwitchy Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 02:27 AM
Response to Reply #38
83. The point is
He opposed the war - and those that did couldn't stop it. Now those same people who claim to oppose it can stop it and they won't. Why? Because they can.

Before it was the republicans fault - they had control of both of our legislative houses - now we are in control and what is being done? Nothing!

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  -If Obama opposed the war from the start, why did he repeatedly vote to fund the war? John Q. Citizen  Apr-06-07 01:46 AM   #0 
  - He dosen't support the war  Rusty MacHenry   Apr-06-07 01:49 AM   #1 
  - No. His vote against the funding wouldn't have kept any of the bills from passing.  John Q. Citizen   Apr-06-07 01:58 AM   #3 
  - At NO time did he ever say that  sampsonblk   Apr-07-07 02:05 PM   #97 
  - Because he's not insane  sandnsea   Apr-06-07 01:51 AM   #2 
  - Was it Einstein who said doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is the  John Q. Citizen   Apr-06-07 02:06 AM   #4 
  - Why would he vote no  sandnsea   Apr-06-07 02:35 AM   #5 
     - I guess some candidates are above reproach. Sorry if I've bashed him in anyway.  John Q. Citizen   Apr-06-07 02:53 AM   #6 
     - I'm sure the families did  sandnsea   Apr-06-07 03:02 AM   #7 
     - John Q.Ciizen  lizbitchwitchy   Apr-06-07 01:11 PM   #12 
        - LOL. why is this the constant mantra of the loon  rinsd   Apr-06-07 02:00 PM   #17 
        - Real classy restaurant you got there rinsd.  John Q. Citizen   Apr-06-07 02:14 PM   #22 
           - Sorry, my slighting of Lampchop bothered you.  rinsd   Apr-06-07 02:25 PM   #23 
              - Ah, another day another windmill.  John Q. Citizen   Apr-06-07 02:54 PM   #37 
        - Thanks for your kind words.  John Q. Citizen   Apr-06-07 02:05 PM   #19 
           - I was hopeful there for a minute  lizbitchwitchy   Apr-06-07 02:27 PM   #24 
     - What were the other items on the bill?  lizbitchwitchy   Apr-06-07 04:09 AM   #8 
        - This is BS.Another example of anti Dem propaganda!  saracat   Apr-06-07 05:46 AM   #9 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-07 05:51 AM   #10 
           - They deleted my last message  lizbitchwitchy   Apr-06-07 02:02 PM   #18 
              - Libbitchwitchy, It isn't that simple and Bush WILL veto this Bill. He has NO choice.  saracat   Apr-06-07 02:51 PM   #35 
                 - I honestly don't think Bush cares too much  lizbitchwitchy   Apr-06-07 05:12 PM   #56 
                    - Lizbitchwitchy, you have an interesting point of view but I cannot agree.  saracat   Apr-06-07 05:56 PM   #65 
                    - I understand your argument. In my mind anyway, if the dems wanted to truly end this war, they  IsItJustMe   Apr-06-07 10:49 PM   #79 
  - Because nobody believed it would be necessary...  sampsonblk   Apr-07-07 02:07 PM   #98 
  - Because he lives in the real world and not la la land.  Connie_Corleone   Apr-06-07 06:50 AM   #11 
  - Just to piss you off.  ripple   Apr-06-07 01:22 PM   #13 
  - Yet 3 years later many more are dead and injured than in 1995, when he cast his first vote to fund  John Q. Citizen   Apr-06-07 01:39 PM   #14 
     - 1995?  ripple   Apr-06-07 01:55 PM   #15 
        - I think it is more of an effort  AtomicKitten   Apr-06-07 02:14 PM   #21 
        - Yes W, asked for money to provide for the troops and Obama complied.  John Q. Citizen   Apr-06-07 02:41 PM   #30 
        - it is unfortunate you view it that way  AtomicKitten   Apr-06-07 03:01 PM   #39 
           - Your rationalization of him as an anti-war candidate is related to your  John Q. Citizen   Apr-06-07 03:35 PM   #44 
              - hero worship? really?  AtomicKitten   Apr-06-07 03:55 PM   #46 
              - OoH, now I'm scared. Hero worship is a dangerous thing., obviously.  John Q. Citizen   Apr-06-07 04:27 PM   #49 
              - just between you and me  AtomicKitten   Apr-06-07 09:52 PM   #77 
                 - If Gore gets in he's got my vote! n/t  John Q. Citizen   Apr-07-07 01:56 PM   #96 
                    - the brilliance of a Gore candidacy  AtomicKitten   Apr-07-07 03:36 PM   #100 
                       - Yes, and beyond.  John Q. Citizen   Apr-07-07 03:47 PM   #101 
              - We are all on the same side here  lizbitchwitchy   Apr-07-07 02:24 AM   #82 
              - You're trivializing Obama's appeal by attributing his success to his good looks & charisma  mtnsnake   Apr-06-07 04:18 PM   #47 
                 - Great post for lots of reasons.  John Q. Citizen   Apr-06-07 04:33 PM   #51 
        - Good point, I can't help but wonder  ripple   Apr-06-07 02:44 PM   #31 
           - it is a double-edge sword indeed  AtomicKitten   Apr-06-07 02:56 PM   #38 
              - The point is  lizbitchwitchy   Apr-07-07 02:27 AM   #83 
                 - too simplistic an analysis/solution  AtomicKitten   Apr-07-07 07:43 AM   #86 
        - If funding the war is opposing it in your mind then , hey, it takes all kinds.  John Q. Citizen   Apr-06-07 02:31 PM   #26 
           - if I might interject  AtomicKitten   Apr-06-07 02:48 PM   #33 
           - No, Dennis is not suggest that. Read HR 1234.  John Q. Citizen   Apr-06-07 03:16 PM   #42 
           - One could take Kucinich's personal political courage a bit more seriously if he  NYCGirl   Apr-06-07 03:24 PM   #43 
           - wowie wow wow  AtomicKitten   Apr-06-07 03:41 PM   #45 
           - Hey, a good looking candidate is always a plus. Lot of people vote based  John Q. Citizen   Apr-06-07 04:20 PM   #48 
              - I respect your work for the Democratic Party.  AtomicKitten   Apr-06-07 09:58 PM   #78 
           - oh please....  earthlover   Apr-06-07 11:41 PM   #81 
              - Many state legislatures have passed or attempted to pass resolutions,  John Q. Citizen   Apr-07-07 01:18 PM   #93 
           - There most certainly is a conflict of interest  lizbitchwitchy   Apr-07-07 02:43 AM   #84 
              - I disagree.  AtomicKitten   Apr-07-07 08:05 AM   #87 
           - Stand up to WHAT in 1995?  ripple   Apr-06-07 03:03 PM   #40 
              - Ohh, ouch! Obama voted to fund the war since he took office in Jan 1995.  John Q. Citizen   Apr-06-07 04:44 PM   #53 
              - Lieberman was never Obama's mentor  ripple   Apr-06-07 06:10 PM   #70 
                 - Please see post #64. Thanks  John Q. Citizen   Apr-07-07 01:42 PM   #95 
              - Double ouch. 2005.  John Q. Citizen   Apr-06-07 05:50 PM   #64 
  - This kind of reasoning gets into the realm of goofy. You can be opposed  wienerdoggie   Apr-06-07 01:57 PM   #16 
  - reasoning of the goofy  lizbitchwitchy   Apr-06-07 02:08 PM   #20 
  - Oh, Lordy, let's limit this to the discussion at hand. Obama was right  wienerdoggie   Apr-06-07 02:27 PM   #25 
  - If you say so  lizbitchwitchy   Apr-06-07 02:34 PM   #28 
  - Nice 'tude  rinsd   Apr-06-07 02:33 PM   #27 
     - truth has a way  lizbitchwitchy   Apr-06-07 02:38 PM   #29 
        - It's not always truth that gets people kicked off boards  ellacott   Apr-06-07 02:46 PM   #32 
        - Well first I would stop calling your opinion the truth.  rinsd   Apr-06-07 03:09 PM   #41 
  - george asked for money to support the troops. Obama complied with the  John Q. Citizen   Apr-06-07 02:52 PM   #36 
  - Because he is a responsible legiislator...not a grandstander...  SaveElmer   Apr-06-07 02:50 PM   #34 
  - Exactly.  Kerry2008   Apr-06-07 04:31 PM   #50 
  - Yeah, just give george the money and try to forget about the people dying.  John Q. Citizen   Apr-06-07 05:13 PM   #57 
     - This is laughable.  Kerry2008   Apr-06-07 06:05 PM   #69 
        - Ok, I get it. It's bush's fault that Obama keeps voting to fund the war. Boy that  John Q. Citizen   Apr-06-07 06:32 PM   #73 
        - I haven't seen any legislation  lizbitchwitchy   Apr-07-07 02:49 AM   #85 
           - Here's some legislation (these are only Obama as sponsor, not co-sponsor):  NYCGirl   Apr-07-07 09:22 AM   #91 
  - Now that's only if you consider voting funds to kill around 1,000000 Iraqis as being responsible.  John Q. Citizen   Apr-06-07 05:05 PM   #55 
     - Dennis Kucinich or Jim Webb...who to trust...hmmmm...  SaveElmer   Apr-06-07 05:16 PM   #58 
        - Hey, I have a "spiritual connection" to Jim Webb. Late on election night I was  John Q. Citizen   Apr-06-07 05:38 PM   #60 
           - I live in Virginia...  SaveElmer   Apr-06-07 05:41 PM   #62 
              - Good for you! We kicked some Burns and Allen ass, didn't we?  John Q. Citizen   Apr-06-07 05:44 PM   #63 
  - Maybe because he's ALWAYS been pro-choice...  zulchzulu   Apr-06-07 04:34 PM   #52 
  - Like Obama said, he doesn't trust playing chicken with the Administration on funding.  Kerry2008   Apr-06-07 05:01 PM   #54 
  - Ah, the truth hurts. He's a serial voter to fund the war. Ask him. Google  John Q. Citizen   Apr-06-07 05:24 PM   #59 
     - What bullshit. Can we stop spreading lies?  Kerry2008   Apr-06-07 06:00 PM   #68 
     - Ok, you don't have to hold it against him, I don't care, but it's not a lie that  John Q. Citizen   Apr-06-07 06:16 PM   #71 
     -'s not just a black and white binary bumpersticker reality  zulchzulu   Apr-06-07 07:27 PM   #74 
  - Don't you already have a thread on this?  Radical Activist   Apr-06-07 05:39 PM   #61 
  - Kucinich supporters see a threat in Obama for the anti-war vote.  Kerry2008   Apr-06-07 06:18 PM   #72 
     - How many Candidates that you dislike.. have you sent money to?  sellitman   Apr-06-07 07:57 PM   #75 
  - He does not support the War  Ethelk2044   Apr-06-07 05:58 PM   #66 
  - Abraham Lincoln opposed America's landrobbing war with Mexico  David Zephyr   Apr-06-07 06:00 PM   #67 
  - ...and he SAID so publicly. Out loud!  sampsonblk   Apr-07-07 02:09 PM   #99 
  - John, as an avid Obama fan, I hate to tell you this, but you have a point  mtnsnake   Apr-06-07 08:38 PM   #76 
  - The truth is the truth and you just spoke it. It is what it is folks.  IsItJustMe   Apr-06-07 11:15 PM   #80 
  - He is different  Ethelk2044   Apr-07-07 01:07 PM   #92 
  - Thanks for your candor and honesty.  John Q. Citizen   Apr-07-07 01:39 PM   #94 
     - What bologna. Kucinich the only consistent voice against the war, my ass.  Kerry2008   Apr-07-07 04:27 PM   #102 
  - I'll take a stab at this  wyldwolf   Apr-07-07 08:16 AM   #88 
  - Since you're a Clinton supporter you might want to consider this  mtnsnake   Apr-07-07 08:34 AM   #89 
     - I agree with you points 100% - but Obama is a politician  wyldwolf   Apr-07-07 08:39 AM   #90 
  - Russ Fiengold...  elizm   Apr-07-07 04:35 PM   #103 

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