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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 05:22 PM
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What CAN be done to effect "Out of Iraq NOW?"
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Let's assume you believe the best course of action is "out of Iraq now." (This isn't to argue whether or not that is the best course of action.)

What CAN be done to make it happen? There's a lot of heartfelt frustration, grief, fear, and anger here, and understandably so. But it seems we go in circles about those feelings, and strike critical postures against the Democrats in Congress who agree with us. What would we have them do?

I'm going to have an argument with myself here:

"Cut off funding."
But the votes to cut off funding aren't there.

"Get the votes."
Considering how difficult it was to get a majority to vote for the bill that passed, how can they get the votes?

"Persuade more representatives to vote to cut off funding."
How can they be persuaded?

"Explain to them what's going on and how wrong it is!"
Do we think they're unaware? Did the anti-war Democrats fail somehow to inform them?

"We need stronger anti-war leadership in Congress!"
What can they do that they aren't doing?

"Something! We must make them take stronger action, by withholding our votes until they do what we want them to do!"
If "we" are a minority view, and they/their constituencies believe "out now" isn't the way to go, that's futile.

"Then we must express our outrage by stomping our feet and holding our breath until we turn blue!"
How's that working out?

I've always contended that what CAN be done at the grassroots, on any issue, is to persuade people around us, organize, write, talk, call, advocate, etc. in various ways -- in other words, build a stronger, wider constituency. You CAN make your voice heard, and it's very important that we do.

But we should think about what we're saying with our voices. What EXACTLY are we asking for, from whom, and how?

Because if we're asking for the moon, from our strongest allies, by means of petulant foot-stamping, we're just wasting energy.

Flame if you must! :hide:
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  -What CAN be done to effect "Out of Iraq NOW?" Sparkly  Mar-24-07 05:22 PM   #0 
  - GREAT post  Frances   Mar-24-07 05:28 PM   #1 
  - many of these problems contain their own solutions....  mike_c   Mar-24-07 05:39 PM   #2 
  - As I see it, you're in the same quagmire.  Sparkly   Mar-24-07 05:42 PM   #4 
     - of course-- we're all in the same quagmire until congress acts decisively....  mike_c   Mar-24-07 05:53 PM   #5 
        - It always comes down to the same thing  Sparkly   Mar-24-07 06:12 PM   #6 
  - only thing i've been able to think of  mooseprime   Mar-24-07 05:40 PM   #3 
  - That's a good idea!  Sparkly   Mar-24-07 06:13 PM   #7 
     - Something about the "viral" approach appeals  al bupp   Mar-24-07 06:35 PM   #19 
  - Stop making excuses for congress perhaps?  Flabbergasted   Mar-24-07 06:17 PM   #8 
  - Who? And how would that change things? nt  Sparkly   Mar-24-07 06:19 PM   #9 
     - You and to what effect you will.  Flabbergasted   Mar-24-07 06:20 PM   #10 
        - Okay, let's try this.  Sparkly   Mar-24-07 06:24 PM   #12 
           - Great thats what we should be doing. You'll encourage others to do even more.  Flabbergasted   Mar-24-07 06:25 PM   #13 
           - You mean, that's it?  Sparkly   Mar-24-07 06:31 PM   #17 
              - Rant if that's your role. If you can do more do it. nt  Flabbergasted   Mar-24-07 06:33 PM   #18 
                 - I think the role of ranting is a bit overrated....  Sparkly   Mar-24-07 06:37 PM   #21 
           - Great thats what we should be doing. You'll encourage others to do even more.  Flabbergasted   Mar-24-07 06:25 PM   #14 
  - IMPEACH  ProudDad   Mar-24-07 06:22 PM   #11 
  - Yes, and that too will require support from politicians.  Sparkly   Mar-24-07 06:27 PM   #15 
  - And you plan to get 2/3rds of the Senate to convict HOW?  Labors of Hercules   Mar-24-07 06:30 PM   #16 
     - Impeach  ProudDad   Mar-24-07 06:51 PM   #23 
        - War protests will not establish a case for an Impeachment conviction...  Labors of Hercules   Mar-24-07 07:02 PM   #24 
  - Convince Congress to drag evey member of the PNAC into...  PhilipShore   Mar-24-07 06:37 PM   #20 
     - All good, but how do you convince the people to convince the Congress  Sparkly   Mar-24-07 06:45 PM   #22 

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