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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-14-07 10:50 AM
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2. Oh gawd, here we go again...
maybe they should've just given out cartoons of Muhammad to all moviegoers on the way in, eh?

Look, a certain amount of cultural sensitivity is certainly a good thing, but I think the Iranians that are offended here are blowing this out of proportion. Also, the film doesn't really distort the basic fact of history that 300 Spartans (along with, it should be noted, several hundred soldiers from other city-states) held off hundreds of thousands for three days. Obviously, that's the sort of thing that makes for a good movie. It's got natural drama. And, similarly, it's the Spartans that will come out on the positive side here, simply by virtue of being the underdog. Who wants to root for a gigantic horde that crushed a few dozen troops?

All that said, I think it is kind of sad that the Spartans are portrayed as some sort of freedom fighters struggling for democracy. That in and of itself is a gross disdortion of history.
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  -Iranians Outraged by `300' Movie zalinda  Mar-14-07 10:42 AM   #0 
  - Please spare me with this 300 outrage  UnyieldingHierophant   Mar-14-07 10:48 AM   #1 
  - Yeah like those indians who used to bitch  Astrad   Mar-14-07 10:59 AM   #6 
     - Big fucking difference  Nederland   Mar-14-07 11:07 AM   #7 
        - You might want to check your history.  Bornaginhooligan   Mar-14-07 11:30 AM   #13 
        - My history is fine  Nederland   Mar-14-07 02:25 PM   #20 
           - Umm...not it's not.  ellisonz   Mar-14-07 05:17 PM   #24 
              - I stand corrected  Nederland   Mar-14-07 05:29 PM   #27 
                 - I dunno ask the Christians...  ellisonz   Mar-14-07 05:42 PM   #28 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-15-07 10:38 AM   #44 
        - Take that you Troy destoyers you!  Sequoia   Mar-15-07 12:08 PM   #48 
        - Clueless  Nederland   Mar-15-07 03:39 PM   #56 
           - No, it wasn't.  Sequoia   Mar-15-07 04:43 PM   #57 
              - Still Clueless  Nederland   Mar-16-07 11:05 AM   #71 
              - No you haven't read it, I sure have because the Trojans aren't Greek because that's who they  Sequoia   Mar-16-07 12:28 PM   #80 
                 - Response  Nederland   Mar-16-07 03:01 PM   #83 
                 - Trojans, Athenians, Spartans, Thespians, Corinthians, etc.  ieoeja   Mar-16-07 03:19 PM   #85 
                    - Okay, a civil war of sorts.  Sequoia   Mar-16-07 03:39 PM   #89 
              - Persian area ... over one thousand years AFTER the Trojan War. n/t  ieoeja   Mar-16-07 03:22 PM   #87 
        - Excuse Me  itcfish   Mar-16-07 01:39 PM   #82 
           - Correct  Nederland   Mar-16-07 03:06 PM   #84 
           - Centuries after the 300 Alexander conquered Greece then Persia and onwards. n/t  ieoeja   Mar-16-07 03:21 PM   #86 
  - Oh gawd, here we go again...  SteppingRazor   Mar-14-07 10:50 AM   #2 
  - The movie is based on a graphic novel that is loosely based on the battle.  Connie_Corleone   Mar-14-07 10:50 AM   #3 
  - I hate that word "based," it's not based on the battle, it's debasing the battle.  ellisonz   Mar-14-07 05:22 PM   #25 
     - Hence the term "loosely based".  Connie_Corleone   Mar-14-07 06:16 PM   #30 
        - Yeah, if the year was 1955...but in 2007 money I don't think so...  ellisonz   Mar-14-07 09:40 PM   #38 
           - The movie never claims to be historically accurate  ButterflyBlood   Mar-15-07 12:20 PM   #54 
              - Except for males age 13-18 who really don't know any better (the majority of the audience).  ellisonz   Mar-16-07 02:29 AM   #62 
                 - Well, if the sole souce of history for these viewers is a movie  Mike Daniels   Mar-16-07 11:20 AM   #73 
  - Get real - The Battle of Thermopylae did happen!  benld74   Mar-14-07 10:51 AM   #4 
  - I don't think they're questioning whether or not Thermopylae...  Bornaginhooligan   Mar-14-07 11:27 AM   #11 
  - Let them be outraged, it's just a movie  atreides1   Mar-14-07 10:59 AM   #5 
  - I got outraged over Braveheart -- what a piece of crap.  Benhurst   Mar-14-07 11:23 AM   #9 
     - Did you catch Mel Gibson on South Park last night?  Sequoia   Mar-15-07 12:09 PM   #49 
  - Provokes animosity against Iran?  TN al   Mar-14-07 11:16 AM   #8 
  - " ... (A) rogue state with a history of aiding terrorism" is also a perfect  Benhurst   Mar-14-07 11:26 AM   #10 
  - Point taken  TN al   Mar-14-07 12:56 PM   #15 
     - Oh yeah, we did SUCH a great job in Afghanistan  SemiCharmedQuark   Mar-15-07 09:35 PM   #58 
        - Again, the policy is dependant upon the competency of the man implementing it  TN al   Mar-16-07 10:10 AM   #69 
  - Are you talking about Iran or the USA because other than throwing in The Kitchen Sink  ShortnFiery   Mar-14-07 11:28 AM   #12 
  - Read "Gates of Fire". An excellent historical fiction on the subject. There is also a book called  poverlay   Mar-14-07 11:45 AM   #14 
  - Loved "Gates of Fire" myself!  Ex Lion Tamer   Mar-14-07 01:11 PM   #16 
     - What is the name of the Athenian senator who led the Greek armada and spent  poverlay   Mar-14-07 07:08 PM   #33 
     - I'll not spell it correctly  Ex Lion Tamer   Mar-15-07 07:47 AM   #41 
     - After several exhausting minutes googling it, I discovered that "Themistocles" was quite a character  poverlay   Mar-15-07 11:49 AM   #46 
     - is that something like "testicles"?  TankLV   Mar-16-07 11:49 AM   #76 
     - russ feingold in a toga...??  pink-o   Mar-15-07 12:16 PM   #53 
        - If they made it into a move, he'd be in a thong!  Ex Lion Tamer   Mar-15-07 12:39 PM   #55 
     - History Channel  mrgorth   Mar-16-07 08:57 AM   #68 
  - Unless the movie is claiming to be non-fiction...  Milo_Bloom   Mar-14-07 01:42 PM   #17 
  - I'm outraged that such a bloody, violent film created to look like a video game is so popular.  AZBlue   Mar-14-07 01:57 PM   #18 
  - Well, rein in your outrage and go see "Amazing Grace" instead  NoPasaran   Mar-14-07 08:47 PM   #35 
  - Violent, bloody movies have been popular for the last 30 years at least  Mike Daniels   Mar-16-07 11:15 AM   #72 
  - 300 is a right-wing movie intended to prepare Americans ideologically for war with Iran  invictus   Mar-14-07 02:05 PM   #19 
  - Total horseshit  NoPasaran   Mar-14-07 08:51 PM   #36 
     - Seconded and confirmed. n/t  poverlay   Mar-15-07 11:51 AM   #47 
     - Damn straight  ButterflyBlood   Mar-15-07 12:11 PM   #51 
  - Are Iranians really outraged or is Ahmadinejad's regime trying to claim that they speak for everyone  Hippo_Tron   Mar-14-07 03:39 PM   #21 
  - I would imagine that the vast majority of Iranians who see this film will be outraged.  ellisonz   Mar-14-07 05:28 PM   #26 
     - It's a movie based on a comic book  Hippo_Tron   Mar-14-07 06:17 PM   #31 
     - I just want to see the half naked men.  Connie_Corleone   Mar-14-07 06:24 PM   #32 
     - The majority of the audience is teenage males.  ellisonz   Mar-14-07 09:44 PM   #39 
        - "When you assume you make an ASS out of U and ME."  rinsd   Mar-16-07 01:28 PM   #81 
     - So i should identify with the Vikings  ButterflyBlood   Mar-15-07 12:12 PM   #52 
     - Straw-man.  ellisonz   Mar-16-07 02:33 AM   #63 
        - Greeks are white  ButterflyBlood   Mar-16-07 12:08 PM   #78 
     - An insult to history? Like perhaps a Government sponsored conference on Holocaust Denial?  rinsd   Mar-16-07 11:26 AM   #74 
        - Yep, I have to agree here too  ButterflyBlood   Mar-16-07 12:08 PM   #79 
  - Very Racists Too  itcfish   Mar-14-07 03:55 PM   #22 
  - I'm still waiting for Gerard Butler to make better career decisions  spooky3   Mar-14-07 04:03 PM   #23 
  - How ironic to think that the Romans (and later, Western Europe) scorned Greece ...  Lisa   Mar-14-07 06:09 PM   #29 
  - Gee, the Iranians must not like to be reminded that the Greek City-States kicked thier asses TWICE.  Odin2005   Mar-14-07 07:11 PM   #34 
  - I just saw it again.  MrSlayer   Mar-14-07 09:11 PM   #37 
  - Might as well be mad about a movie,  agincourt   Mar-14-07 10:09 PM   #40 
  - "Toss another barrel of oil on the bonfire." - rabid republicon cronies  SpiralHawk   Mar-15-07 08:06 AM   #42 
  - If they don't like it  CJCRANE   Mar-15-07 08:42 AM   #43 
  - Its a cool movie, the Spartans were shown as brutal a people as the Persians.  bamacrat   Mar-15-07 10:42 AM   #45 
  - Hey, deal with it  ButterflyBlood   Mar-15-07 12:10 PM   #50 
  - You might want to be offended at the way Pathfinder's depicting Viking arms/armor.  seawolf   Mar-16-07 01:10 AM   #60 
     - yeah, but neither is a documentary  ButterflyBlood   Mar-16-07 01:28 AM   #61 
     - Why is America so stupid?  ellisonz   Mar-16-07 02:34 AM   #64 
     - Hey - I hear the spandex crotch shots are great!  TankLV   Mar-16-07 11:57 AM   #77 
  - Sexually flamboyant, in contrast to the Greeks?  ToeBot   Mar-15-07 10:35 PM   #59 
  - A movie is now the Iranian "Outrage Du Jour" ?  lynne   Mar-16-07 02:40 AM   #65 
  - The Persians won the Battle of Thermopylae.  baldguy   Mar-16-07 08:12 AM   #66 
  - They have outrage over a movie yet there is deafening...  AX10   Mar-16-07 08:40 AM   #67 
  - Now its a Jewish conspiracy!  rinsd   Mar-16-07 11:03 AM   #70 
  - curiously, but no mention of the FACT that these "Spartans" were GAY and MANLY MEN  TankLV   Mar-16-07 11:44 AM   #75 
     - You are thinking of the Theban Sacred Band.  ieoeja   Mar-16-07 03:34 PM   #88 

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