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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 07:17 PM
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23. The Constitution is not a document of absolute composition in that
it couldn't be if humans wrote it (even talented ones like Madison). The Bible is a bit of a sprawling mess, and far less focused most of the time -- did I mention it is a sprawling mess? -- and people might well interpret one passage a dozen different ways.

The Constitution is less sprawling but still a human product. Congress and the Executive Branch will be arguing long after you and I are dead and gone. They have argued since before we were born. That's the nature of the beast. We have to put on our hip waders and just plunge in, but I don't see a trend of assurances for either branch in the last 200-some years.

It's a dogfight and it may never end.
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  -My message to Pelosi and Co....Grow some Spine and.... yourout  Mar-12-07 06:36 PM   #0 
  - How about some 'spine?'  Maat   Mar-12-07 06:42 PM   #1 
  - What kind of balls?  jobycom   Mar-12-07 06:44 PM   #2 
  - titanium ! nt  EVDebs   Mar-12-07 06:48 PM   #4 
     - I thought the shafts were titanium, not the balls.  jobycom   Mar-12-07 07:06 PM   #15 
        - What are ben-wa balls made outta ?  EVDebs   Mar-12-07 07:19 PM   #24 
           - Ohhh... I get it. Pelosi needs THOSE balls! Not sure how they will make her brave, though.  jobycom   Mar-12-07 07:20 PM   #26 
              - This DU post should embolden her. I don't know why they don't investigate  EVDebs   Mar-12-07 07:29 PM   #31 
  - What exactly do you mean?  MGKrebs   Mar-12-07 06:47 PM   #3 
  - Put him on notice....attach Iran without congressional approval...  yourout   Mar-12-07 06:49 PM   #6 
  - Bush could care less about that, and it wouldn't stop the attack anyway...  MGKrebs   Mar-12-07 07:00 PM   #10 
     - That's it!!!!- We will blame France, China & Germany for not having the spine!!!  Dr Fate   Mar-12-07 07:04 PM   #13 
  - How about a good, "old-fashioned" Declaration of War- like we used to do it?  Dr Fate   Mar-12-07 06:51 PM   #7 
     - I'm beginning to think that the swing voters be damned--they go where the wind blows IF  blondeatlast   Mar-12-07 07:02 PM   #12 
     - I was half joking- I believe Swing-voters would not mind if Congress has approval over wars.  Dr Fate   Mar-12-07 07:07 PM   #16 
     - So your understanding would be that the Prez can't commit troops  MGKrebs   Mar-12-07 07:15 PM   #21 
        - I admit, I have no suggestions that aid Bush, the DLC, the media or wimpy DEMS.  Dr Fate   Mar-12-07 07:21 PM   #27 
           - I do not disagree with you in principle, it's just that  MGKrebs   Mar-12-07 08:52 PM   #37 
              - Thanks- and sorry for my angry tone.  Dr Fate   Mar-13-07 12:12 AM   #39 
  - I bet she's good at cheeseballs for the holidays and such.  Old Crusoe   Mar-12-07 06:49 PM   #5 
  - Congressional approval of war is not a "realizable goal"- even though it's in the Constitution?  Dr Fate   Mar-12-07 06:54 PM   #8 
     - I'm speaking pro-Pelosi, not anti-Constitution.  Old Crusoe   Mar-12-07 06:57 PM   #9 
        - Pelosi appears to be speaking from an anti-Constitution POV.  Dr Fate   Mar-12-07 07:01 PM   #11 
           - Dr Fate you know I just don't think it's very effective to demand that  Old Crusoe   Mar-12-07 07:07 PM   #17 
              - I was more concerned with the issue itself than any semantics.  Dr Fate   Mar-12-07 07:12 PM   #19 
                 - The Constitution is not a document of absolute composition in that  Old Crusoe   Mar-12-07 07:17 PM   #23 
                    - None of what you said explains why DEMs are caving. Sounds kinda eloquent though.  Dr Fate   Mar-12-07 07:24 PM   #28 
                       - The best recent piece I've seen on this is here:  Old Crusoe   Mar-12-07 07:29 PM   #32 
                          - I havent read that yet- but I already know that it is Constitutional for congress to approve of war.  Dr Fate   Mar-12-07 07:45 PM   #33 
                             - Well, it's very high-caliber writing. The author knows her stuff.  Old Crusoe   Mar-12-07 07:59 PM   #35 
                                - I think average Americans would like to see some restraints placed on Bush.  Dr Fate   Mar-13-07 12:08 AM   #38 
  - My message to you: Stop believing media bullshit  bigtree   Mar-12-07 07:06 PM   #14 
     - I see- so DEMS actually are demanding Congressional approval for Bush to invade Iran?  Dr Fate   Mar-12-07 07:10 PM   #18 
        - Webb has a bill he introduced last week in the Senate  bigtree   Mar-12-07 07:13 PM   #20 
           - "Come to congress"- But does it require ultimate approval from Congress?  Dr Fate   Mar-12-07 07:16 PM   #22 
              - from his statement  bigtree   Mar-12-07 07:19 PM   #25 
                 - Hopefully Nancy or the DLC wont make him take that part out.  Dr Fate   Mar-12-07 07:26 PM   #29 
                 - I hope like hell it passes with that language in it.  yourout   Mar-12-07 07:28 PM   #30 
                 - I know- but what if Pelosi or the DLC wants it out?  Dr Fate   Mar-12-07 07:50 PM   #34 
                 - Unless it's attached to a spending bill, it's going nowhere.  ReadTomPaine   Mar-12-07 08:14 PM   #36 
                    - in your view.  bigtree   Mar-13-07 12:48 AM   #40 
 

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