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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 10:53 AM
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32. Here's more:
Edited on Mon Mar-12-07 10:55 AM by seasonedblue

Timid ideas won't fix health mess:

Snip> So Edwards wants them to be able to buy a new public insurance plan that would be like Medicare, but not exactly. And he wants affluent people to pay more taxes to support coverage of the less fortunate, but not directly.

Instead of simply asking for a straightforward tax to pay for covering the uninsured, Edwards falls back on that popular circumlocution, the tax credit. The credits are indirect subsidies that would be given to individuals so they could then purchase insurance. The political virtue of tax credits is that their cost is always half-hidden beneath a pile of budget documents unlike tax hikes that show up as money withheld from paychecks, but pay directly for a government service. Because of this obfuscation, politicians in both parties love tax credits.

Snip> Edwards wont acknowledge that the current system of private insurance is irreparably broken.
It has failed to expand coverage to millions of workers who are employed by small business, or who work part time, or who toil at low wages companies with high proportions of low-wage workers are far less likely to offer insurance than those whose employees earn more, according to research by the Kaiser Family Foundation. Since 2000, the portion of businesses that offer any insurance to even part of their work force has fallen from 69 percent to 61 percent.

Snip> Edwards advisers say the candidate didnt push public, single-payer insurance like Medicare because the employer-based system is what we have today and therefore, it would provide the quickest way to cover the uninsured.

But we also have Medicare today. The elderly still get care from private doctors and hospitals, and administrative costs are a fraction of what they are in the private insurance industry. And people tend to like it.

It would be just as easy and certainly simpler to use Medicare as the foundation for a new insurance system to eventually cover everyone. But that would require candidates to be leaders and show more courage than those politicians who simply say they have a plan.

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  -Edwards: Repeal top-tier tax cuts to pay for health care (including full mental health parity) JohnLocke  Mar-10-07 07:39 PM   #0 
  - seems reasonable  HappyWeasel   Mar-10-07 07:44 PM   #1 
  - "getting the insurance companies on board"??  lumberjack_jeff   Mar-10-07 07:55 PM   #2 
  - It really does suck, but they are the 500 pound gorilla in the room  HappyWeasel   Mar-10-07 08:02 PM   #3 
  - More like a 200 pound rabid Rottweiler in the room...  Solon   Mar-10-07 10:43 PM   #12 
  - Right now they are thawing out Harry and Louise!  Joe Bacon   Mar-11-07 08:05 PM   #23 
     - Exactly. There's no point pussy-footing around them.  lumberjack_jeff   Mar-11-07 08:44 PM   #24 
  - I wonder if Presidnt Gore would go along with this?  AshevilleGuy   Mar-10-07 08:12 PM   #4 
  - How does it work?  seasonedblue   Mar-10-07 08:21 PM   #5 
  - I agree with repealing the tax cuts, but ...  Alhena   Mar-10-07 08:36 PM   #6 
  - The whole idea of "making sure everyone is covered" is a load of wank  enough already   Mar-10-07 08:39 PM   #7 
  - That's the plan I'm looking for!  seasonedblue   Mar-10-07 08:42 PM   #8 
  - When you have a Democratic Senate that will give that to you, then give me a call. Edwards is being  NDP   Mar-11-07 07:45 PM   #20 
  - John Edwards: It's called Medicare For All  phillysuse   Mar-10-07 09:09 PM   #9 
  - This REALLY bugs me: "The first candidate to offer a plan ..."  rog   Mar-10-07 09:32 PM   #10 
  - Thanks for getting this info out...  seasonedblue   Mar-11-07 12:11 PM   #15 
  - When you have a Democratic Senate that will give you a single-payer system, give me a call  NDP   Mar-11-07 07:44 PM   #19 
     - the point was that Kucinich's plan was offered first  GreenArrow   Mar-12-07 09:35 AM   #30 
        - There's more support for HR 676 than you might think,  seasonedblue   Mar-12-07 10:36 AM   #31 
           - I repeat. Show me the support in the "Senate"  NDP   Mar-12-07 04:41 PM   #39 
  - K & R  Czolgosz   Mar-10-07 10:07 PM   #11 
  - Edwards' plan isn't universal health care, it's universal insurance.  Vinca   Mar-11-07 07:27 AM   #13 
  - Wrong. It's universal "coverage." The insurance companies would have to provide it cheaper and  NDP   Mar-11-07 07:51 PM   #21 
     - Would you explain how Edwards' plan differs from Romney's?  rog   Mar-11-07 10:43 PM   #25 
        - Maybe after I read Romney's actual plan I will. The plans being put forth by the Republicans  NDP   Mar-11-07 11:17 PM   #26 
           - Good ... I'll keep checking back.  rog   Mar-12-07 02:02 AM   #27 
              - That last answer was sufficient for now. Yes, Edwards' plan is as much as you are going to get  NDP   Mar-12-07 06:43 AM   #28 
                 - So you're saying you've got what? ... Nothing, right?  rog   Mar-12-07 12:07 PM   #36 
                 - No, actually what I'm saying is John Edwards' plan is better than what you've got now, and  NDP   Mar-12-07 04:43 PM   #40 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-12-07 05:13 PM   #43 
  - This is not a good health care plan  thethinker   Mar-11-07 11:49 AM   #14 
  - Edwards plan is the best IMHO.  Kerry2008   Mar-11-07 12:13 PM   #16 
  - I'd like to refer you to my previous post, re: Kucinich  rog   Mar-11-07 05:13 PM   #18 
  - Stop living in a fantasy world. The Democratic Senate ain't passing a single-payer system any time  NDP   Mar-11-07 07:52 PM   #22 
  - You have got to be kidding me  depakid   Mar-12-07 08:37 AM   #29 
  - Here's more:  seasonedblue   Mar-12-07 10:53 AM   #32 
     - Sorry for duplicating your links. I didn't see your post.  rog   Mar-12-07 12:16 PM   #37 
        - Not a problem at all...  seasonedblue   Mar-12-07 12:36 PM   #38 
  - It's a good plan  sandnsea   Mar-12-07 11:15 AM   #34 
  - tpo tax rate used to be 92%  FogerRox   Mar-11-07 01:27 PM   #17 
  - Are any of the candidates opposed?  WesDem   Mar-12-07 10:54 AM   #33 
  - Well, some might debate what universal health care means,  seasonedblue   Mar-12-07 11:17 AM   #35 
     - Support is a ridiculous word to use. How do you know that they don't "support" single-payer. All  NDP   Mar-12-07 04:46 PM   #41 
        - Hey, get off your high horse  seasonedblue   Mar-12-07 04:59 PM   #42 
           - It's a nasty piece  WesDem   Mar-12-07 09:19 PM   #45 
  - Marie Cocco: Edwards' Flawed Health Care Plan  antigop   Mar-12-07 09:15 PM   #44 

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