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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 08:57 AM
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37. Because Bush was popular at the time, because an election was approaching
and because Lieberman's IWR was seen as taking a tough stand against Iraq that didn't get all hung up over wanting U.N. approval before the United States would act to protect itself.

I thought it was politics at the time and I still think so today. I don't think any but a few of the Democrats who voted for Lieberman's IWR would have taken us to war with Iraq using it but, as expected, Bush did.

And this is not only water under the bridge for me with Iran staring us right in the face now. Too many politicians can't be trusted to make the right decisions unless they are hearing loud and strong from the public at the time. Please add your voice at http://stopiranwar.com/
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  -CHAFEE Raises a Good Point -Why did Dem Sen. who voted FOR IWR, Vote NO for LEVIN and ViseVersa? FrenchieCat  Mar-01-07 06:06 PM   #0 
  - All of those dems supported the war  BayCityProgressive   Mar-01-07 06:12 PM   #1 
  - Big thanks, FrenchieCat, for your thread. I hope it gets the play here it deserves.  David Zephyr   Mar-01-07 06:12 PM   #2 
  - Well, I am just asking Chafee's question.....  FrenchieCat   Mar-01-07 06:14 PM   #3 
  - It may not since it's a dupe  JNelson6563   Mar-02-07 08:23 AM   #35 
     - Thanks for pointing that out........  FrenchieCat   Mar-02-07 12:47 PM   #43 
  - Better question, perhaps...  Everybody   Mar-01-07 06:17 PM   #4 
  - Why did Feingold vote against it?  ProSense   Mar-01-07 06:22 PM   #5 
  - Feingold didn't want to give UN any power over our going to war..and didn't believe any intervention  FrenchieCat   Mar-01-07 06:29 PM   #6 
     - No, for the very reason I stated.  ProSense   Mar-01-07 06:50 PM   #11 
     - Why did those three vote AYE for both ?  FrenchieCat   Mar-01-07 06:53 PM   #12 
        - I did address that in my response. n/t  ProSense   Mar-01-07 06:56 PM   #13 
           - Please see my edited post...entered prior to you reply....  FrenchieCat   Mar-01-07 07:00 PM   #14 
     - Power? No one ever said the UN granted POWER  Canuckistanian   Mar-01-07 08:38 PM   #27 
        - I think that Feingold just doesn't believe in intervention without  FrenchieCat   Mar-01-07 09:19 PM   #30 
           - Like last year's invasion of Lebanon?  Canuckistanian   Mar-01-07 09:30 PM   #31 
              - I agree that "self defense" is Muddled......  FrenchieCat   Mar-01-07 09:35 PM   #32 
  - .  Hav   Mar-01-07 06:29 PM   #7 
  - Similar column last week in the Detroit News  WesDem   Mar-01-07 06:31 PM   #8 
  - This then looks like a co-ordinated action  karynnj   Mar-02-07 01:40 PM   #46 
     - The important thing about Levin  WesDem   Mar-02-07 03:13 PM   #50 
        - I'm as confused as you  karynnj   Mar-02-07 03:57 PM   #52 
           - If Bush decided to go unilaterally, after the UN  WesDem   Mar-02-07 04:03 PM   #53 
           - The problem would have been that it was more ambiguous  karynnj   Mar-03-07 01:26 PM   #65 
           - Durbin makes clear the difference between Lieberman's IWR and his own, the Levin here.....  FrenchieCat   Mar-02-07 08:27 PM   #61 
              - I meant Levin made it clear....not Durbin! n/t  FrenchieCat   Mar-02-07 10:29 PM   #62 
              - Delete - I see your other response.  karynnj   Mar-03-07 01:16 PM   #64 
  - So, why did Chafee vote against the Durbin amendment that would have limited  Mass   Mar-01-07 06:38 PM   #9 
  - I believe that you may have a good question .......  FrenchieCat   Mar-01-07 06:44 PM   #10 
     - Durbin voted NO on the IWR.  Mass   Mar-01-07 07:00 PM   #15 
        - So can you give us a short sypnopsis on the Durbin amendment?  FrenchieCat   Mar-01-07 07:11 PM   #16 
           - Here is the synopsis of the Durbin amendment.  Mass   Mar-01-07 07:18 PM   #17 
           - Did the others require a second vote by Congress?  WesDem   Mar-01-07 07:21 PM   #18 
           - None of these votes (including Levin) required a second vote by Congress.  Mass   Mar-01-07 07:24 PM   #20 
              - Those voting YEAH on 2nd Byrd amendment....  FrenchieCat   Mar-01-07 07:52 PM   #25 
              - According to EPIC  WesDem   Mar-01-07 08:56 PM   #28 
                 - According to Carl Levin  WesDem   Mar-02-07 03:08 PM   #49 
           - The way I read this, the Levin ammendment would not have required Congressional authorizaion  Clarkie1   Mar-01-07 07:30 PM   #21 
           - Upon closer reading, this is not the case.  Clarkie1   Mar-02-07 12:42 AM   #34 
              - The UN did pass a resolution unanimously  karynnj   Mar-02-07 12:21 PM   #42 
           - Probably because the Durbin admendment was done the day before.....  FrenchieCat   Mar-01-07 07:43 PM   #22 
              - As I read Levin, it would not have slowed the road to war.  Mass   Mar-01-07 07:48 PM   #24 
                 - How do you read the Levin amendment?  FrenchieCat   Mar-01-07 08:03 PM   #26 
                    - I think you are right...nt.  Clarkie1   Mar-02-07 12:38 AM   #33 
           - Durbin Amendment, Oct 10th, 2002  TayTay   Mar-02-07 12:06 PM   #41 
              - Do you have a link to that text, TayTay?  WesDem   Mar-02-07 03:15 PM   #51 
                 - Not directly, due to the weirdness that is THOMAS  TayTay   Mar-02-07 07:19 PM   #59 
  - Wellstone: A man of conscience.  AtomicKitten   Mar-01-07 07:23 PM   #19 
  - Hero is the word!  FrenchieCat   Mar-01-07 07:44 PM   #23 
  - Levin Amendment on Iraq  FrenchieCat   Mar-01-07 09:01 PM   #29 
  - K&R - important points...n/t  ms liberty   Mar-02-07 08:27 AM   #36 
  - Because Bush was popular at the time, because an election was approaching  Tom Rinaldo   Mar-02-07 08:57 AM   #37 
  - But overall, because they valued their CAREERS more than taking the MORAL and JUST stand.  ShortnFiery   Mar-02-07 01:49 PM   #47 
  - Think-tankitis  Donna Zen   Mar-02-07 09:29 AM   #38 
  - So proud of the Dems who voted Aye on Levin and Nay on IRW  Supersedeas   Mar-02-07 09:32 AM   #39 
  - How does the DLC play here?  formercia   Mar-02-07 11:14 AM   #40 
  - I provided a list.......  FrenchieCat   Mar-02-07 12:52 PM   #44 
     - Here's a list of the DLC membership  formercia   Mar-02-07 04:41 PM   #55 
        - Actually there are 3 on that listing that voted Yeah to Levin....  FrenchieCat   Mar-02-07 05:53 PM   #57 
           - The leadership of the DLC is connected to PNAC  formercia   Mar-02-07 06:14 PM   #58 
              - I know that Levin and Ted Kennedy and Wes Clark worked actively for the Levin Amendment....  FrenchieCat   Mar-02-07 07:33 PM   #60 
                 - Can't have those pesky specifics  formercia   Mar-03-07 07:26 AM   #63 
  - because Biden-Lugar was better?  NewYorkerfromMass   Mar-02-07 01:15 PM   #45 
  - Provide us with the "Nutshell" of the Biden-Lugar amendment, if you please.....  FrenchieCat   Mar-02-07 02:20 PM   #48 
  - It's too tied to UN approval  sandnsea   Mar-02-07 04:18 PM   #54 
  - But there was nothing wrong with seeking UN approval of their own resolution.....  FrenchieCat   Mar-02-07 05:46 PM   #56 
  - Good point.  indie_ana_500   Mar-03-07 03:16 PM   #66 
 

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