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109. "The corporate media has some clever writers for 'Clarence 2'".
Seriously, I think a statement like that can be taken either way. And when put in conjunction with aggressive criticisms of Obama, such as referring to him as "blank slate, no views", it sounds like a comparing of more than just the media framing.

As a liberal, I also object to some of the things that I have heard Obama say. And it is unlikely that I will vote for him in the primaries. But I think that any comparison to Clarence Thomas is very far off the mark.
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  -I will not be "Anita Hill"-ed regarding Hillary and Barack arendt  Feb-24-07 12:18 PM   #0 
  - Well said.....  marmar   Feb-24-07 12:22 PM   #1 
  - Well said, but I would still side with Geffen's outrage at this time even if  blm   Feb-24-07 12:26 PM   #2 
  - I have refused to pay attention to the Geffen subplot of this soap opera...  arendt   Feb-24-07 12:31 PM   #7 
  - Actually, I have been pushing AGAINST the narrative. Rich pardon is HUGELY relevant  blm   Feb-24-07 12:40 PM   #10 
  - Oh, Geffen brought up Marc Rich...  arendt   Feb-24-07 12:55 PM   #14 
  - It SHOULD be part of the Libby scrutiny and WHY Plame was outed. I don't CARE  blm   Feb-24-07 01:05 PM   #19 
     - I see. Direct tie to Libby corroborates the "kill the CIA arms trackers" motive...  arendt   Feb-24-07 01:12 PM   #25 
  - He pardoned Rich, at the request of Barak [of Israel] who took an electoral hit...  MookieWilson   Feb-24-07 08:42 PM   #54 
     - That may be part of it, but what stopped the further scrutiny of armsdealing  blm   Feb-25-07 04:25 PM   #156 
  - Here are some of the bills he's sponsored (so you can check his record):  NYCGirl   Feb-24-07 12:41 PM   #11 
  - Bad link - can you give me one that works?  arendt   Feb-24-07 01:21 PM   #28 
     - The search doesn't give a valid link to post (that one was from Google), but here's  NYCGirl   Feb-24-07 01:28 PM   #30 
        - Thanks for the info; but its about what I expected  arendt   Feb-24-07 01:41 PM   #33 
           - Re: the liquefied coal — isn't it the Senator's job to pass legislation to help  NYCGirl   Feb-24-07 01:48 PM   #34 
           - Its suggests he's just more of the same. sucking at the corporate teat. n/t  arendt   Feb-24-07 01:50 PM   #35 
              - Some see it that way, others see it as making sure his constituents remain employed.  NYCGirl   Feb-24-07 01:56 PM   #36 
                 - "lots of gray area" hardly squares with the media coronation he's getting...  arendt   Feb-24-07 05:35 PM   #41 
                 - Name one person they COULDN'T do that to. NT  NYCGirl   Feb-24-07 08:28 PM   #50 
                    - My point is that its much easier to do that to someone like BO, who has no record n/t  arendt   Feb-24-07 10:01 PM   #60 
                       - No, it's easier to do that to a long time senator, who has lots of votes to twist.  NYCGirl   Feb-25-07 08:20 AM   #90 
                 - Let's face the Truth....MS Corporate Media pushes a guy that Pundits call OSAMA  KoKo01   Feb-25-07 05:23 PM   #161 
           - And that's supposed to be a good thing?  BlackVelvet04   Feb-24-07 07:22 PM   #46 
              - That's what I said. But the poster ignored it. n/t  arendt   Feb-24-07 08:36 PM   #52 
              - Don't feel bad....  BlackVelvet04   Feb-24-07 09:21 PM   #58 
              - Why don't you look at ALL the votes instead of singling out one?  NYCGirl   Feb-25-07 08:21 AM   #91 
                 - Because it only takes one for the corporate media to crucify somebody (e.g., the scream) n/t  arendt   Feb-25-07 11:55 AM   #124 
                    - Name me one person who hasn't had a record that can be twisted. The only one  NYCGirl   Feb-25-07 12:05 PM   #128 
  - Obama is NOT DLC. That is a lie. A flat-out lie. eom  geek tragedy   Feb-24-07 11:00 PM   #67 
  - But if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it's true.  Telly Savalas   Feb-24-07 11:27 PM   #73 
  - And he voted for the bankruptcy bill. And he doesn't  geek tragedy   Feb-24-07 11:32 PM   #74 
     - Actually, he voted AGAINST the bankruptcy bill. (Just in case any dolts are taking  NYCGirl   Feb-25-07 08:25 AM   #92 
        - Yeah, I should be clear with my sarcasm-- the level of  geek tragedy   Feb-25-07 09:15 AM   #97 
        - That's good  zidzi   Feb-25-07 03:24 PM   #151 
  - How do you know this? Isn't Obama for FREE TRADE...I've not heard him  KoKo01   Feb-25-07 05:25 PM   #162 
  - Obama is a member of the DLC?  Telly Savalas   Feb-24-07 11:26 PM   #72 
     - Facts don't matter to the OP--they just want to whine. eom  geek tragedy   Feb-25-07 07:12 AM   #81 
        - and the predicted personal attack comes, right on schedule  Lerkfish   Feb-25-07 07:39 AM   #85 
           - The poster spouted falsehoods about Obama--such  geek tragedy   Feb-25-07 09:10 AM   #94 
  - I read Geffen's rant as a gay fellow upset with the backseat gay issues have taken so  papau   Feb-24-07 12:35 PM   #9 
     - If Geffen wants to do something for gays, he should attack the theocrats, not Hillary...  arendt   Feb-24-07 01:07 PM   #20 
     - we totally should avoid gay issues because the GOP will hurt us with them? low priority for you....  bettyellen   Feb-24-07 07:18 PM   #45 
        - I told you what my issues are. You continue to push this one issue. Its not mine.  arendt   Feb-24-07 08:27 PM   #49 
           - supports gay rights means NOT SUPPORTING THE TROOPS!?! Lol- thanks, mr framing, nice work there....  bettyellen   Feb-25-07 02:55 PM   #144 
     - And I read it as an opportunity to get closer scrutiny on Marc Rich, armsdealer for the BFEE.  blm   Feb-24-07 01:10 PM   #24 
  - Wow - a bit over the top - and I'd still vote for Obama if his eventual detailed positions are  papau   Feb-24-07 12:27 PM   #3 
  - Have to be over the top to "break through the clutter"...  arendt   Feb-24-07 12:41 PM   #12 
  - If single payer national health has only one proponent that is who I work for in the primary n/t  papau   Feb-24-07 12:50 PM   #13 
  - That's a major consideration for me also. n/t  seasonedblue   Feb-25-07 10:41 AM   #113 
  - KandR!  fooj   Feb-24-07 01:07 PM   #21 
  - You would vote for a Corporate Pushed Candidate who isn't Ready?  KoKo01   Feb-25-07 05:17 PM   #160 
     - Corporate pushed candidate is an utterly mindless  cali   Feb-25-07 05:28 PM   #164 
        - Hey! There have been a number of DU Posts: OBAMA, the ROCK STAR!  KoKo01   Feb-25-07 05:42 PM   #166 
        - OK, but DU posts are not the MSM  cali   Feb-25-07 05:58 PM   #167 
        - Ummmm... Two Books with an Updated Preface to the first one?  KoKo01   Feb-25-07 06:28 PM   #173 
  - Very thought-provoking comment.  ocelot   Feb-24-07 12:28 PM   #4 
  - Recommended #1  Benhurst   Feb-24-07 12:29 PM   #5 
  - Draft Al Gore!  evlbstrd   Feb-24-07 12:31 PM   #6 
  - I hope Gore knows  Skittles   Feb-24-07 01:34 PM   #32 
  - yes  Stephanie   Feb-24-07 11:42 PM   #75 
  - Interesting.  jaxx   Feb-24-07 12:34 PM   #8 
  - The difference  election_2004   Feb-24-07 12:57 PM   #15 
  - Agreed. What the media creates, it can destroy. What does your title mean? n/t  arendt   Feb-24-07 12:59 PM   #16 
     - It means...  election_2004   Feb-24-07 01:08 PM   #22 
  - With three top candidates HRC, BO and Edwards no valid source is saying it's over.  MookieWilson   Feb-24-07 01:00 PM   #17 
  - Agreed...  election_2004   Feb-24-07 01:09 PM   #23 
  - It amazes me that GENERAL Clark can't get airtime in the middle of a huge war FUBAR n/t  arendt   Feb-24-07 01:16 PM   #26 
     - Somehow, Edwards comes ahead of him in "anti-war candidates" test I took  The Count   Feb-24-07 02:09 PM   #38 
        - The media is the Court at Versailles...  arendt   Feb-24-07 02:53 PM   #39 
           - Generally, I think you're right, but, ultimately, they'll want a good race. A walk away...  MookieWilson   Feb-24-07 08:43 PM   #55 
  - Extraordinary, arendt  WesDem   Feb-24-07 01:04 PM   #18 
  - I'm with you, arendt  Skittles   Feb-24-07 01:20 PM   #27 
  - The media doesn't want better candidates to emerge. This whole move...  arendt   Feb-24-07 01:25 PM   #29 
     - I agree with you  Skittles   Feb-24-07 01:33 PM   #31 
     - Seven figures? Peanuts!  JackRiddler   Feb-25-07 10:38 AM   #111 
  - Wonderfully put! I knew you're right when I heard Ed Koch say they'll be the ticket  The Count   Feb-24-07 02:07 PM   #37 
  - Eloquent  hawkowl88   Feb-24-07 03:58 PM   #40 
  - Any links for the Obama/Lieberman connection?  Laurab   Feb-24-07 06:06 PM   #42 
  - Googling: {obama, lieberman, senate, mentor} gets 29k hits...  arendt   Feb-24-07 10:23 PM   #64 
     - Interesting links - thanks! n/t  Laurab   Feb-24-07 10:54 PM   #65 
     - Senator Lieberman was assigned to mentor  cali   Feb-25-07 01:02 PM   #140 
        - Remember when we Dems were sold "Bill of Goods" with Bill?  KoKo01   Feb-25-07 06:17 PM   #171 
  - Bravo! Bravo! Bravo! and...  JackRiddler   Feb-24-07 06:37 PM   #43 
  - I keep getting side-tracked fighting the sheer idiocy of all of this...  arendt   Feb-24-07 08:14 PM   #48 
     - I like that idea...a Party Platform Forum...  rgbecker   Feb-25-07 11:36 AM   #119 
        - It is in the works, but this H-O fight has pushed it back..  arendt   Feb-25-07 11:53 AM   #122 
  - they are untouchable now because of gender or color ? so why are lots of people attacking them?  bettyellen   Feb-24-07 06:42 PM   #44 
  - People are attacking the hijacking of the normal primary process...  arendt   Feb-24-07 08:33 PM   #51 
     - okay, i'll go slower for you! if you don;t see people attacking hil or BO - you are fricking blind!  bettyellen   Feb-25-07 02:53 PM   #143 
  - K & R  BlackVelvet04   Feb-24-07 07:25 PM   #47 
  - It's just a soap opera.  AtomicKitten   Feb-24-07 08:38 PM   #53 
  - If you are TRULY that Cynical that you see it all as "Soap Opera"  KoKo01   Feb-25-07 06:21 PM   #172 
  - Bulls-eye analysis, arendt!!!  Lena inRI   Feb-24-07 09:16 PM   #56 
  - Good question! (who is bankrolling BO) - anyone have answers? n/t  arendt   Feb-24-07 10:05 PM   #61 
  - Excellent post. nt  cui bono   Feb-24-07 09:17 PM   #57 
  - kn(highly)r  cosmicdot   Feb-24-07 09:58 PM   #59 
  - Thanks! It's only clearer from where we are now.  The Count   Feb-24-07 11:03 PM   #69 
  - I was just telling a friend today the Obama-Hillary dustup is a media distraction ploy.  Straight Shooter   Feb-24-07 10:10 PM   #62 
  - K&R  bvar22   Feb-24-07 10:15 PM   #63 
  - What an ignorant post.  geek tragedy   Feb-24-07 10:57 PM   #66 
  - Zing!  Katzenkavalier   Feb-24-07 11:02 PM   #68 
  - You got nothing. You deliberately miss my point. Screw this premature campaign.  arendt   Feb-24-07 11:05 PM   #70 
     - No, your point was to bash both Obama  geek tragedy   Feb-24-07 11:17 PM   #71 
        - I think you're demonstrating his point very effectively  Lerkfish   Feb-25-07 07:37 AM   #84 
           - The person said a bunch of false crap and then predicted  geek tragedy   Feb-25-07 09:11 AM   #95 
              - "false crap"...? apparently you disagree on the evidence  Lerkfish   Feb-25-07 10:06 AM   #100 
                 - I'm talking about the smears on Obama--calling him DLC, saying  geek tragedy   Feb-25-07 10:11 AM   #103 
                    - We are so sorry to get in the way of your right to amuse yourselves with this Corporate Dog Show...  arendt   Feb-25-07 11:46 AM   #120 
                       - I don't see how your peddling of falsehoods  geek tragedy   Feb-25-07 11:54 AM   #123 
                          - You clearly believe Obama is more important than Iraq/Iran...  arendt   Feb-25-07 12:02 PM   #127 
                          - Please. Obama and Clinton got in a stupid fight, and now  geek tragedy   Feb-25-07 12:12 PM   #130 
                             - well, see the OP wouldn't know about that because it's beneath him to even THINK about  bettyellen   Feb-25-07 03:41 PM   #155 
                          - ignorance is the point of the OP, making BS arguments to suck you in...and thn blame u for it!  bettyellen   Feb-25-07 02:43 PM   #141 
                             - Is the OP a purity troll or a concern troll--or both? eom  geek tragedy   Feb-25-07 03:10 PM   #148 
                                - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-07 03:36 PM   #154 
  - Outstanding observations!  leftstreet   Feb-25-07 12:58 AM   #76 
  - Drivel.  bling bling   Feb-25-07 04:23 AM   #77 
  - K&R! I completely agree.  KitSileya   Feb-25-07 06:47 AM   #78 
  - Recommended  bonito   Feb-25-07 06:53 AM   #79 
  - "Useful idiots"? Good luck with your self-esteem issues  BeyondGeography   Feb-25-07 07:00 AM   #80 
  - wow. I'm frankly amazed, that even after he predicted what you do, you still do it.  Lerkfish   Feb-25-07 07:42 AM   #87 
  - Um, they are the two candidates with the most popular  geek tragedy   Feb-25-07 09:14 AM   #96 
  - um....ok. we'll have to disagree that the media is framing this debate  Lerkfish   Feb-25-07 10:08 AM   #101 
     - Of course there is some media framing, but to pretend  geek tragedy   Feb-25-07 10:16 AM   #104 
        - We are so sorry to get in the way of your right to amuse yourselves with this Corporate Dog Show...  arendt   Feb-25-07 10:38 AM   #112 
           - When you stop pushing lies and smears, then I'll  geek tragedy   Feb-25-07 11:56 AM   #125 
              - Ah, outrage, everyone is outraged. Its so passe. n/t  arendt   Feb-25-07 12:05 PM   #129 
                 - Not my fault you backed up your theory with a pack of lies. eom  geek tragedy   Feb-25-07 12:13 PM   #131 
                    - veracity or substance doesn't matter in the OP, only that they get a big "reaction" and sneer at you  bettyellen   Feb-25-07 02:48 PM   #142 
                       - Yep. Empty, ignorant cynicism posing as genuine insight.  geek tragedy   Feb-25-07 03:09 PM   #147 
  - I disagree  JNelson6563   Feb-25-07 12:57 PM   #139 
     - That's a valid point: that the point could have been made differently, however  Lerkfish   Feb-25-07 06:11 PM   #169 
  - Someone was giving OBAMA MONEY......and the RW Media Knows  KoKo01   Feb-25-07 05:31 PM   #165 
  - Kicking and recommending!  hippywife   Feb-25-07 07:13 AM   #82 
  - bravo! well put  Lerkfish   Feb-25-07 07:29 AM   #83 
  - Great post, and I offer this:  Punkingal   Feb-25-07 07:40 AM   #86 
  - Bravo, we need to pick our own "leaders". nt  bemildred   Feb-25-07 07:46 AM   #88 
  - K & R and totally agree. n/t  5X   Feb-25-07 07:53 AM   #89 
  - bravo, arendt . . . and thanks for articulating what many of us are feeling . . .  OneBlueSky   Feb-25-07 09:01 AM   #93 
  - It seems that you're comparing Obama to Clarence Thomas -- and if so, I feel that the comparison is  Time for change   Feb-25-07 09:18 AM   #98 
  - I don't think he did: if you'll reread, he's comparing the MEDIA FRAMING  Lerkfish   Feb-25-07 10:09 AM   #102 
     - 1st, thanks lerkfish for your posts. 2nd, yes. "its the framing, stupid".  arendt   Feb-25-07 10:30 AM   #108 
     - 1. your'e welcome, 2. not sure about "waking them up"  Lerkfish   Feb-25-07 10:43 AM   #115 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-25-07 11:59 AM   #126 
           - Because those are two separate points.  Lerkfish   Feb-25-07 12:35 PM   #134 
              - The theory is that Obama and Clinton are tools of the corporate  geek tragedy   Feb-25-07 12:39 PM   #135 
                 - you're still missing the point. After all this time, I have to assume deliberately  Lerkfish   Feb-25-07 12:47 PM   #137 
                    - The problem is that I do understand it. The problem is that this post is dishonest horse crap.  geek tragedy   Feb-25-07 03:08 PM   #146 
     - "The corporate media has some clever writers for 'Clarence 2'".  Time for change   Feb-25-07 10:35 AM   #109 
        - That's not the comparison.  Sparkly   Feb-25-07 10:38 AM   #110 
  - You make some really good points.  Sparkly   Feb-25-07 09:35 AM   #99 
  - Two question:  Seabiscuit   Feb-25-07 10:17 AM   #105 
  - Even Libertarians, like "The Economist" get my point...  arendt   Feb-25-07 10:21 AM   #106 
  - Those who recommended this might be interested in this poll...  JackRiddler   Feb-25-07 10:29 AM   # 
  - I think it's probably a good idea.  seasonedblue   Feb-25-07 11:00 AM   #118 
  - Yes. There was a Campaign 2004 forum. Do it again. n/t  arendt   Feb-25-07 11:49 AM   #121 
  - Those who recommended this might be interested in this poll...  JackRiddler   Feb-25-07 10:29 AM   #107 
  - you consider this a candidate ad thread? if so, you've entirely missed the point  Lerkfish   Feb-25-07 10:42 AM   #114 
     - No I do not. Quite the opposite.  JackRiddler   Feb-25-07 10:45 AM   #116 
        - ahhh. thanks. sorry for the misunderstanding.  Lerkfish   Feb-25-07 10:47 AM   #117 
           - Hey there Lerkfish!  Felinity   Feb-25-07 12:16 PM   #132 
              - hey there! I seem to be working to allow arendt to make his point  Lerkfish   Feb-25-07 12:45 PM   #136 
  - Very interesting construct  Capn Sunshine   Feb-25-07 12:25 PM   #133 
  - Shocking that you would reply to Arendt's Post this way..  KoKo01   Feb-25-07 05:14 PM   #159 
  - One of the worst pieces I've ever seen here  cali   Feb-25-07 12:51 PM   #138 
  - Amen. This ignorant poseur has a way of spinning bullshit  geek tragedy   Feb-25-07 03:12 PM   #150 
  - You may not be racist but your full of crap.  Radical Activist   Feb-25-07 03:07 PM   #145 
  - You know what's really sad?  cali   Feb-25-07 03:11 PM   #149 
  - Correct...talk about driving off a cliff together  BeyondGeography   Feb-25-07 03:36 PM   #153 
  - the OP is so full of disgust with the media and with everyone at DU it blinds them  bettyellen   Feb-25-07 03:32 PM   #152 
     - whoa. this post, among others, is completely unwarranted.  Lerkfish   Feb-25-07 06:03 PM   #168 
  - LOL  cali   Feb-25-07 04:33 PM   #157 
  - someone should tell the OP that Anita Hill was both a woman and black.....  bettyellen   Feb-25-07 05:25 PM   #163 
     - I"m sure the OP is completely aware of that.  Lerkfish   Feb-25-07 06:17 PM   #170 
        - I'll tell you what; I'll answer your questions about what I think  cali   Feb-25-07 06:28 PM   #174 
  - As one who watched ALL the Clarence Thomas hearings conducted by Joe Biden agree with your Analysis!  KoKo01   Feb-25-07 04:37 PM   #158 
  - Locking  The Magistrate   Feb-25-07 06:28 PM   #175 
 

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