| -I will not be "Anita Hill"-ed regarding Hillary and Barack |
arendt |
Feb-24-07 12:18 PM |
#0 |
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Well said..... |
marmar |
Feb-24-07 12:22 PM |
#1 |
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Well said, but I would still side with Geffen's outrage at this time even if |
blm |
Feb-24-07 12:26 PM |
#2 |
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I have refused to pay attention to the Geffen subplot of this soap opera... |
arendt |
Feb-24-07 12:31 PM |
#7 |
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Actually, I have been pushing AGAINST the narrative. Rich pardon is HUGELY relevant |
blm |
Feb-24-07 12:40 PM |
#10 |
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Oh, Geffen brought up Marc Rich... |
arendt |
Feb-24-07 12:55 PM |
#14 |
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It SHOULD be part of the Libby scrutiny and WHY Plame was outed. I don't CARE |
blm |
Feb-24-07 01:05 PM |
#19 |
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I see. Direct tie to Libby corroborates the "kill the CIA arms trackers" motive... |
arendt |
Feb-24-07 01:12 PM |
#25 |
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He pardoned Rich, at the request of Barak [of Israel] who took an electoral hit... |
MookieWilson |
Feb-24-07 08:42 PM |
#54 |
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That may be part of it, but what stopped the further scrutiny of armsdealing |
blm |
Feb-25-07 04:25 PM |
#156 |
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Here are some of the bills he's sponsored (so you can check his record): |
NYCGirl |
Feb-24-07 12:41 PM |
#11 |
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Bad link - can you give me one that works? |
arendt |
Feb-24-07 01:21 PM |
#28 |
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The search doesn't give a valid link to post (that one was from Google), but here's |
NYCGirl |
Feb-24-07 01:28 PM |
#30 |
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Thanks for the info; but its about what I expected |
arendt |
Feb-24-07 01:41 PM |
#33 |
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Re: the liquefied coal — isn't it the Senator's job to pass legislation to help |
NYCGirl |
Feb-24-07 01:48 PM |
#34 |
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Its suggests he's just more of the same. sucking at the corporate teat. n/t |
arendt |
Feb-24-07 01:50 PM |
#35 |
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Some see it that way, others see it as making sure his constituents remain employed. |
NYCGirl |
Feb-24-07 01:56 PM |
#36 |
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"lots of gray area" hardly squares with the media coronation he's getting... |
arendt |
Feb-24-07 05:35 PM |
#41 |
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Name one person they COULDN'T do that to. NT |
NYCGirl |
Feb-24-07 08:28 PM |
#50 |
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My point is that its much easier to do that to someone like BO, who has no record n/t |
arendt |
Feb-24-07 10:01 PM |
#60 |
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No, it's easier to do that to a long time senator, who has lots of votes to twist. |
NYCGirl |
Feb-25-07 08:20 AM |
#90 |
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Let's face the Truth....MS Corporate Media pushes a guy that Pundits call OSAMA |
KoKo01 |
Feb-25-07 05:23 PM |
#161 |
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And that's supposed to be a good thing? |
BlackVelvet04 |
Feb-24-07 07:22 PM |
#46 |
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That's what I said. But the poster ignored it. n/t |
arendt |
Feb-24-07 08:36 PM |
#52 |
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Don't feel bad.... |
BlackVelvet04 |
Feb-24-07 09:21 PM |
#58 |
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Why don't you look at ALL the votes instead of singling out one? |
NYCGirl |
Feb-25-07 08:21 AM |
#91 |
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Because it only takes one for the corporate media to crucify somebody (e.g., the scream) n/t |
arendt |
Feb-25-07 11:55 AM |
#124 |
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Name me one person who hasn't had a record that can be twisted. The only one |
NYCGirl |
Feb-25-07 12:05 PM |
#128 |
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Obama is NOT DLC. That is a lie. A flat-out lie. eom |
geek tragedy |
Feb-24-07 11:00 PM |
#67 |
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But if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it's true. |
Telly Savalas |
Feb-24-07 11:27 PM |
#73 |
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And he voted for the bankruptcy bill. And he doesn't |
geek tragedy |
Feb-24-07 11:32 PM |
#74 |
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Actually, he voted AGAINST the bankruptcy bill. (Just in case any dolts are taking |
NYCGirl |
Feb-25-07 08:25 AM |
#92 |
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Yeah, I should be clear with my sarcasm-- the level of |
geek tragedy |
Feb-25-07 09:15 AM |
#97 |
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That's good |
zidzi |
Feb-25-07 03:24 PM |
#151 |
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How do you know this? Isn't Obama for FREE TRADE...I've not heard him |
KoKo01 |
Feb-25-07 05:25 PM |
#162 |
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Obama is a member of the DLC? |
Telly Savalas |
Feb-24-07 11:26 PM |
#72 |
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Facts don't matter to the OP--they just want to whine. eom |
geek tragedy |
Feb-25-07 07:12 AM |
#81 |
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and the predicted personal attack comes, right on schedule |
Lerkfish |
Feb-25-07 07:39 AM |
#85 |
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The poster spouted falsehoods about Obama--such |
geek tragedy |
Feb-25-07 09:10 AM |
#94 |
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I read Geffen's rant as a gay fellow upset with the backseat gay issues have taken so |
papau |
Feb-24-07 12:35 PM |
#9 |
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If Geffen wants to do something for gays, he should attack the theocrats, not Hillary... |
arendt |
Feb-24-07 01:07 PM |
#20 |
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we totally should avoid gay issues because the GOP will hurt us with them? low priority for you.... |
bettyellen |
Feb-24-07 07:18 PM |
#45 |
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I told you what my issues are. You continue to push this one issue. Its not mine. |
arendt |
Feb-24-07 08:27 PM |
#49 |
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supports gay rights means NOT SUPPORTING THE TROOPS!?! Lol- thanks, mr framing, nice work there.... |
bettyellen |
Feb-25-07 02:55 PM |
#144 |
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And I read it as an opportunity to get closer scrutiny on Marc Rich, armsdealer for the BFEE. |
blm |
Feb-24-07 01:10 PM |
#24 |
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Wow - a bit over the top - and I'd still vote for Obama if his eventual detailed positions are |
papau |
Feb-24-07 12:27 PM |
#3 |
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Have to be over the top to "break through the clutter"... |
arendt |
Feb-24-07 12:41 PM |
#12 |
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If single payer national health has only one proponent that is who I work for in the primary n/t |
papau |
Feb-24-07 12:50 PM |
#13 |
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That's a major consideration for me also. n/t |
seasonedblue |
Feb-25-07 10:41 AM |
#113 |
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KandR! |
fooj |
Feb-24-07 01:07 PM |
#21 |
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You would vote for a Corporate Pushed Candidate who isn't Ready? |
KoKo01 |
Feb-25-07 05:17 PM |
#160 |
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Corporate pushed candidate is an utterly mindless |
cali |
Feb-25-07 05:28 PM |
#164 |
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Hey! There have been a number of DU Posts: OBAMA, the ROCK STAR! |
KoKo01 |
Feb-25-07 05:42 PM |
#166 |
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OK, but DU posts are not the MSM |
cali |
Feb-25-07 05:58 PM |
#167 |
| -
Ummmm... Two Books with an Updated Preface to the first one? |
KoKo01 |
Feb-25-07 06:28 PM |
#173 |
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Very thought-provoking comment. |
ocelot |
Feb-24-07 12:28 PM |
#4 |
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Recommended #1 |
Benhurst |
Feb-24-07 12:29 PM |
#5 |
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Draft Al Gore! |
evlbstrd |
Feb-24-07 12:31 PM |
#6 |
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I hope Gore knows |
Skittles |
Feb-24-07 01:34 PM |
#32 |
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yes |
Stephanie |
Feb-24-07 11:42 PM |
#75 |
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Interesting. |
jaxx |
Feb-24-07 12:34 PM |
#8 |
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The difference |
election_2004 |
Feb-24-07 12:57 PM |
#15 |
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Agreed. What the media creates, it can destroy. What does your title mean? n/t |
arendt |
Feb-24-07 12:59 PM |
#16 |
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It means... |
election_2004 |
Feb-24-07 01:08 PM |
#22 |
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With three top candidates HRC, BO and Edwards no valid source is saying it's over. |
MookieWilson |
Feb-24-07 01:00 PM |
#17 |
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Agreed... |
election_2004 |
Feb-24-07 01:09 PM |
#23 |
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It amazes me that GENERAL Clark can't get airtime in the middle of a huge war FUBAR n/t |
arendt |
Feb-24-07 01:16 PM |
#26 |
| -
Somehow, Edwards comes ahead of him in "anti-war candidates" test I took |
The Count |
Feb-24-07 02:09 PM |
#38 |
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The media is the Court at Versailles... |
arendt |
Feb-24-07 02:53 PM |
#39 |
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Generally, I think you're right, but, ultimately, they'll want a good race. A walk away... |
MookieWilson |
Feb-24-07 08:43 PM |
#55 |
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Extraordinary, arendt |
WesDem |
Feb-24-07 01:04 PM |
#18 |
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I'm with you, arendt |
Skittles |
Feb-24-07 01:20 PM |
#27 |
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The media doesn't want better candidates to emerge. This whole move... |
arendt |
Feb-24-07 01:25 PM |
#29 |
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I agree with you |
Skittles |
Feb-24-07 01:33 PM |
#31 |
| -
Seven figures? Peanuts! |
JackRiddler |
Feb-25-07 10:38 AM |
#111 |
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Wonderfully put! I knew you're right when I heard Ed Koch say they'll be the ticket |
The Count |
Feb-24-07 02:07 PM |
#37 |
| -
Eloquent |
hawkowl88 |
Feb-24-07 03:58 PM |
#40 |
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Any links for the Obama/Lieberman connection? |
Laurab |
Feb-24-07 06:06 PM |
#42 |
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Googling: {obama, lieberman, senate, mentor} gets 29k hits... |
arendt |
Feb-24-07 10:23 PM |
#64 |
| -
Interesting links - thanks! n/t |
Laurab |
Feb-24-07 10:54 PM |
#65 |
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Senator Lieberman was assigned to mentor |
cali |
Feb-25-07 01:02 PM |
#140 |
| -
Remember when we Dems were sold "Bill of Goods" with Bill? |
KoKo01 |
Feb-25-07 06:17 PM |
#171 |
| -
Bravo! Bravo! Bravo! and... |
JackRiddler |
Feb-24-07 06:37 PM |
#43 |
| -
I keep getting side-tracked fighting the sheer idiocy of all of this... |
arendt |
Feb-24-07 08:14 PM |
#48 |
| -
I like that idea...a Party Platform Forum... |
rgbecker |
Feb-25-07 11:36 AM |
#119 |
| -
It is in the works, but this H-O fight has pushed it back.. |
arendt |
Feb-25-07 11:53 AM |
#122 |
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they are untouchable now because of gender or color ? so why are lots of people attacking them? |
bettyellen |
Feb-24-07 06:42 PM |
#44 |
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People are attacking the hijacking of the normal primary process... |
arendt |
Feb-24-07 08:33 PM |
#51 |
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okay, i'll go slower for you! if you don;t see people attacking hil or BO - you are fricking blind! |
bettyellen |
Feb-25-07 02:53 PM |
#143 |
| -
K & R |
BlackVelvet04 |
Feb-24-07 07:25 PM |
#47 |
| -
It's just a soap opera. |
AtomicKitten |
Feb-24-07 08:38 PM |
#53 |
| -
If you are TRULY that Cynical that you see it all as "Soap Opera" |
KoKo01 |
Feb-25-07 06:21 PM |
#172 |
| -
Bulls-eye analysis, arendt!!! |
Lena inRI |
Feb-24-07 09:16 PM |
#56 |
| -
Good question! (who is bankrolling BO) - anyone have answers? n/t |
arendt |
Feb-24-07 10:05 PM |
#61 |
| -
Excellent post. nt |
cui bono |
Feb-24-07 09:17 PM |
#57 |
| -
kn(highly)r |
cosmicdot |
Feb-24-07 09:58 PM |
#59 |
| -
Thanks! It's only clearer from where we are now. |
The Count |
Feb-24-07 11:03 PM |
#69 |
| -
I was just telling a friend today the Obama-Hillary dustup is a media distraction ploy. |
Straight Shooter |
Feb-24-07 10:10 PM |
#62 |
| -
K&R |
bvar22 |
Feb-24-07 10:15 PM |
#63 |
| -
What an ignorant post. |
geek tragedy |
Feb-24-07 10:57 PM |
#66 |
| -
Zing! |
Katzenkavalier |
Feb-24-07 11:02 PM |
#68 |
| -
You got nothing. You deliberately miss my point. Screw this premature campaign. |
arendt |
Feb-24-07 11:05 PM |
#70 |
| -
No, your point was to bash both Obama |
geek tragedy |
Feb-24-07 11:17 PM |
#71 |
| -
I think you're demonstrating his point very effectively |
Lerkfish |
Feb-25-07 07:37 AM |
#84 |
| -
The person said a bunch of false crap and then predicted |
geek tragedy |
Feb-25-07 09:11 AM |
#95 |
| -
"false crap"...? apparently you disagree on the evidence |
Lerkfish |
Feb-25-07 10:06 AM |
#100 |
| -
I'm talking about the smears on Obama--calling him DLC, saying |
geek tragedy |
Feb-25-07 10:11 AM |
#103 |
| -
We are so sorry to get in the way of your right to amuse yourselves with this Corporate Dog Show... |
arendt |
Feb-25-07 11:46 AM |
#120 |
| -
I don't see how your peddling of falsehoods |
geek tragedy |
Feb-25-07 11:54 AM |
#123 |
| -
You clearly believe Obama is more important than Iraq/Iran... |
arendt |
Feb-25-07 12:02 PM |
#127 |
| -
Please. Obama and Clinton got in a stupid fight, and now |
geek tragedy |
Feb-25-07 12:12 PM |
#130 |
| -
well, see the OP wouldn't know about that because it's beneath him to even THINK about |
bettyellen |
Feb-25-07 03:41 PM |
#155 |
| -
ignorance is the point of the OP, making BS arguments to suck you in...and thn blame u for it! |
bettyellen |
Feb-25-07 02:43 PM |
#141 |
| -
Is the OP a purity troll or a concern troll--or both? eom |
geek tragedy |
Feb-25-07 03:10 PM |
#148 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Feb-25-07 03:36 PM |
#154 |
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Outstanding observations! |
leftstreet |
Feb-25-07 12:58 AM |
#76 |
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Drivel. |
bling bling |
Feb-25-07 04:23 AM |
#77 |
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K&R! I completely agree. |
KitSileya |
Feb-25-07 06:47 AM |
#78 |
| -
Recommended |
bonito |
Feb-25-07 06:53 AM |
#79 |
| -
"Useful idiots"? Good luck with your self-esteem issues |
BeyondGeography |
Feb-25-07 07:00 AM |
#80 |
| -
wow. I'm frankly amazed, that even after he predicted what you do, you still do it. |
Lerkfish |
Feb-25-07 07:42 AM |
#87 |
| -
Um, they are the two candidates with the most popular |
geek tragedy |
Feb-25-07 09:14 AM |
#96 |
| -
um....ok. we'll have to disagree that the media is framing this debate |
Lerkfish |
Feb-25-07 10:08 AM |
#101 |
| -
Of course there is some media framing, but to pretend |
geek tragedy |
Feb-25-07 10:16 AM |
#104 |
| -
We are so sorry to get in the way of your right to amuse yourselves with this Corporate Dog Show... |
arendt |
Feb-25-07 10:38 AM |
#112 |
| -
When you stop pushing lies and smears, then I'll |
geek tragedy |
Feb-25-07 11:56 AM |
#125 |
| -
Ah, outrage, everyone is outraged. Its so passe. n/t |
arendt |
Feb-25-07 12:05 PM |
#129 |
| -
Not my fault you backed up your theory with a pack of lies. eom |
geek tragedy |
Feb-25-07 12:13 PM |
#131 |
| -
veracity or substance doesn't matter in the OP, only that they get a big "reaction" and sneer at you |
bettyellen |
Feb-25-07 02:48 PM |
#142 |
| -
Yep. Empty, ignorant cynicism posing as genuine insight. |
geek tragedy |
Feb-25-07 03:09 PM |
#147 |
| -
I disagree |
JNelson6563 |
Feb-25-07 12:57 PM |
#139 |
| -
That's a valid point: that the point could have been made differently, however |
Lerkfish |
Feb-25-07 06:11 PM |
#169 |
| -
Someone was giving OBAMA MONEY......and the RW Media Knows |
KoKo01 |
Feb-25-07 05:31 PM |
#165 |
| -
Kicking and recommending! |
hippywife |
Feb-25-07 07:13 AM |
#82 |
| -
bravo! well put |
Lerkfish |
Feb-25-07 07:29 AM |
#83 |
| -
Great post, and I offer this: |
Punkingal |
Feb-25-07 07:40 AM |
#86 |
| -
Bravo, we need to pick our own "leaders". nt |
bemildred |
Feb-25-07 07:46 AM |
#88 |
| -
K & R and totally agree. n/t |
5X |
Feb-25-07 07:53 AM |
#89 |
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bravo, arendt . . . and thanks for articulating what many of us are feeling . . . |
OneBlueSky |
Feb-25-07 09:01 AM |
#93 |
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It seems that you're comparing Obama to Clarence Thomas -- and if so, I feel that the comparison is |
Time for change |
Feb-25-07 09:18 AM |
#98 |
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I don't think he did: if you'll reread, he's comparing the MEDIA FRAMING |
Lerkfish |
Feb-25-07 10:09 AM |
#102 |
| -
1st, thanks lerkfish for your posts. 2nd, yes. "its the framing, stupid". |
arendt |
Feb-25-07 10:30 AM |
#108 |
| -
1. your'e welcome, 2. not sure about "waking them up" |
Lerkfish |
Feb-25-07 10:43 AM |
#115 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Feb-25-07 11:59 AM |
#126 |
| -
Because those are two separate points. |
Lerkfish |
Feb-25-07 12:35 PM |
#134 |
| -
The theory is that Obama and Clinton are tools of the corporate |
geek tragedy |
Feb-25-07 12:39 PM |
#135 |
| -
you're still missing the point. After all this time, I have to assume deliberately |
Lerkfish |
Feb-25-07 12:47 PM |
#137 |
| -
The problem is that I do understand it. The problem is that this post is dishonest horse crap. |
geek tragedy |
Feb-25-07 03:08 PM |
#146 |
| -
"The corporate media has some clever writers for 'Clarence 2'". |
Time for change |
Feb-25-07 10:35 AM |
#109 |
| -
That's not the comparison. |
Sparkly |
Feb-25-07 10:38 AM |
#110 |
| -
You make some really good points. |
Sparkly |
Feb-25-07 09:35 AM |
#99 |
| -
Two question: |
Seabiscuit |
Feb-25-07 10:17 AM |
#105 |
| -
Even Libertarians, like "The Economist" get my point... |
arendt |
Feb-25-07 10:21 AM |
#106 |
| -
Those who recommended this might be interested in this poll... |
JackRiddler |
Feb-25-07 10:29 AM |
# |
| -
I think it's probably a good idea. |
seasonedblue |
Feb-25-07 11:00 AM |
#118 |
| -
Yes. There was a Campaign 2004 forum. Do it again. n/t |
arendt |
Feb-25-07 11:49 AM |
#121 |
| -
Those who recommended this might be interested in this poll... |
JackRiddler |
Feb-25-07 10:29 AM |
#107 |
| -
you consider this a candidate ad thread? if so, you've entirely missed the point |
Lerkfish |
Feb-25-07 10:42 AM |
#114 |
| -
No I do not. Quite the opposite. |
JackRiddler |
Feb-25-07 10:45 AM |
#116 |
| -
ahhh. thanks. sorry for the misunderstanding. |
Lerkfish |
Feb-25-07 10:47 AM |
#117 |
| -
Hey there Lerkfish! |
Felinity |
Feb-25-07 12:16 PM |
#132 |
| -
hey there! I seem to be working to allow arendt to make his point |
Lerkfish |
Feb-25-07 12:45 PM |
#136 |
| -
Very interesting construct |
Capn Sunshine |
Feb-25-07 12:25 PM |
#133 |
| -
Shocking that you would reply to Arendt's Post this way.. |
KoKo01 |
Feb-25-07 05:14 PM |
#159 |
| -
One of the worst pieces I've ever seen here |
cali |
Feb-25-07 12:51 PM |
#138 |
| -
Amen. This ignorant poseur has a way of spinning bullshit |
geek tragedy |
Feb-25-07 03:12 PM |
#150 |
| -
You may not be racist but your full of crap. |
Radical Activist |
Feb-25-07 03:07 PM |
#145 |
| -
You know what's really sad? |
cali |
Feb-25-07 03:11 PM |
#149 |
| -
Correct...talk about driving off a cliff together |
BeyondGeography |
Feb-25-07 03:36 PM |
#153 |
| -
the OP is so full of disgust with the media and with everyone at DU it blinds them |
bettyellen |
Feb-25-07 03:32 PM |
#152 |
| -
whoa. this post, among others, is completely unwarranted. |
Lerkfish |
Feb-25-07 06:03 PM |
#168 |
| -
LOL |
cali |
Feb-25-07 04:33 PM |
#157 |
| -
someone should tell the OP that Anita Hill was both a woman and black..... |
bettyellen |
Feb-25-07 05:25 PM |
#163 |
| -
I"m sure the OP is completely aware of that. |
Lerkfish |
Feb-25-07 06:17 PM |
#170 |
| -
I'll tell you what; I'll answer your questions about what I think |
cali |
Feb-25-07 06:28 PM |
#174 |
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As one who watched ALL the Clarence Thomas hearings conducted by Joe Biden agree with your Analysis! |
KoKo01 |
Feb-25-07 04:37 PM |
#158 |
| -
Locking |
The Magistrate |
Feb-25-07 06:28 PM |
#175 |
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