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Thu Feb-15-07 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #7 |
| 9. Because They Cannot Be Trusted Not To Use Them Against Us, Sir |
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When you mobilize crowds chanting "Death to America!" as a routine political exercise, you run the risk of being taken at your word, as an unremittingly hostile body who will do what harm is in its power to do to the object of its hatred. Whether there are good grounds for that hatred or not is immaterial to calculating the sincerity with which it is held, and the likelihood of its being given concrete expression. None of the three powers you name is currently in hands hostile to the United States, though there is certainly some danger the Pakistani weapons could come under hostile control.
There are a number of creative possibilities for delivery, that there is little point to going into here, beyond pointig out that a missile lifting off from Iran itself is hardly the only or most likely means, should there be a resolve among the mullahs to do the thing. While such an act would indeed result in the utter ruin of Iran, where persons are moved by acult of martyrdom, it is not easy to gauge how much of a check on their behavior such an extinction constistutes.
Entering into negotiations with Iran in 2003, and indeed at any number of earlier points, would certainly have been a wise course.
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| -Yes, Hillary, We Do Need Moral Leadership |
cool user name |
Feb-15-07 10:00 AM |
#0 |
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I'm Afraid that It Isn't An Attutude or Affectation, But the REAL Hillary |
Demeter |
Feb-15-07 10:06 AM |
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It's revealing that she didn't want to "discuss" it further ... |
cool user name |
Feb-15-07 10:47 AM |
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How about an existential HIT JOB...a 2 in 1 for Common Nightmares! |
Tellurian |
Feb-15-07 06:50 PM |
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That's not even clever. |
cool user name |
Feb-15-07 08:14 PM |
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Inconvenient Truths, seldom, are clever.. |
Tellurian |
Feb-16-07 08:48 AM |
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You disparaged the source but ... |
cool user name |
Feb-16-07 09:47 AM |
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It is my right to disparage a disreputable source.. |
Tellurian |
Feb-16-07 10:39 AM |
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It is your right but with respect to The Magistrate who was actually civil ... |
cool user name |
Feb-16-07 11:33 AM |
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An Ad Populum/Appeal to Authority argument? |
Zhade |
Feb-17-07 05:05 PM |
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If by "existential threat" she means a nuclear arms Iran would |
NCevilDUer |
Feb-15-07 10:14 AM |
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Great post. |
Zhade |
Feb-17-07 05:07 PM |
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This attitude would turn me off immediately. One of the reasons |
jwirr |
Feb-15-07 10:17 AM |
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A Poor Effort By Ms. Miller, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Feb-15-07 10:19 AM |
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How would Iran possessing nuclear weapons be a threat to the US? |
cool user name |
Feb-15-07 10:59 AM |
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Because They Cannot Be Trusted Not To Use Them Against Us, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Feb-15-07 11:13 AM |
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Works both ways, Magistrate. |
cool user name |
Feb-15-07 11:29 AM |
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Of Course It Does, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Feb-15-07 11:54 AM |
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I'm not sure why Iran can't be trusted. |
cool user name |
Feb-15-07 12:14 PM |
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All Such Judgements Are Subjective, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Feb-15-07 12:50 PM |
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But I'm still at a loss to see how or why Iran is a threat to the US. |
cool user name |
Feb-15-07 04:06 PM |
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The Government Of Iran, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Feb-15-07 04:22 PM |
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Contradiction. |
cool user name |
Feb-15-07 04:42 PM |
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That Is Not A Contradiction, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Feb-15-07 05:01 PM |
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In 1979? What about 1956? Who supported the Shah? |
cool user name |
Feb-15-07 05:41 PM |
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Doubtless We Did, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Feb-15-07 07:02 PM |
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That didn't happen in a vacuum. We kinda fucked over the Iranians for decades first. |
Zhade |
Feb-17-07 05:40 PM |
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Addendum: |
cool user name |
Feb-15-07 04:13 PM |
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In Campaigning, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Feb-15-07 04:19 PM |
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She's not engaged in ... reciting addages. |
cool user name |
Feb-15-07 04:39 PM |
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You Know Perfect;y Well, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Feb-15-07 05:03 PM |
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The author admitted to liking Hillary and was thinking about voting for her. |
cool user name |
Feb-15-07 05:43 PM |
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Dishonesty Becomes Her, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Feb-15-07 07:04 PM |
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Who's being dishonest, Magistrate? |
cool user name |
Feb-16-07 06:45 AM |
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If There Were Truly Open and Free Elections HERE, BushCo Would Have Ended in 2004 |
Demeter |
Feb-15-07 02:30 PM |
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You neglect to mention, however, that the leaders who call for |
NCevilDUer |
Feb-15-07 03:32 PM |
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That, Sir, Is Not So Reliable As To Base Policy On |
The Magistrate |
Feb-15-07 03:59 PM |
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Iran. |
sendero |
Feb-16-07 06:35 AM |
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Nice to hear a voice of reason. |
Zhade |
Feb-17-07 05:44 PM |
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How come no one ever explains WHY Iran having a nuclear |
Clark2008 |
Feb-15-07 10:20 AM |
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They already tried floating a peace initiative back in 2003. |
cool user name |
Feb-15-07 11:02 AM |
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And how 'bout that GOP line-up? |
AtomicKitten |
Feb-15-07 11:37 AM |
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"Any one of our candidates should make short work of any of them" |
mtnsnake |
Feb-15-07 12:53 PM |
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Just can't help yourself, can you? n/t |
Blue_In_AK |
Feb-15-07 04:23 PM |
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Yeah, but Clinton is. |
Zhade |
Feb-17-07 05:47 PM |
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lots of interesting replies at the link below: |
welshTerrier2 |
Feb-15-07 04:10 PM |
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NEVER again.....kick that! |
RiverStone |
Feb-15-07 04:20 PM |
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You didn't hve to dredge this up for me to know Hillary isn't a good |
Morgana LaFey |
Feb-15-07 04:41 PM |
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Who's interests does she serve? |
cool user name |
Feb-15-07 04:46 PM |
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Well, certainly not yours- you have your own agenda! nm |
Tellurian |
Feb-15-07 05:55 PM |
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And that's supposed to mean what exactly? |
cool user name |
Feb-15-07 05:57 PM |
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a question without punctuation.. |
Tellurian |
Feb-15-07 06:10 PM |
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Punctuation? |
cool user name |
Feb-15-07 07:57 PM |
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You tell me! nm |
Tellurian |
Feb-15-07 09:07 PM |
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Feb-16-07 06:15 AM |
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You're the one who brought it up! |
cool user name |
Feb-16-07 11:35 AM |
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Here's how to derail the Hillary freight train |
netpaul |
Feb-15-07 06:37 PM |
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Bullshit! Just vote for Mitt Romney in the General..coward! nm |
Tellurian |
Feb-15-07 06:43 PM |
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There are oodles of Democrats that won't either |
bonito |
Feb-15-07 07:03 PM |
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neocon agenda... |
Tellurian |
Feb-15-07 09:09 PM |
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Thanks for the correction |
bonito |
Feb-15-07 10:00 PM |
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Oh, but why would you bash Clinton? |
cool user name |
Feb-16-07 06:17 AM |
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Review the definition of the word frontrunner.. |
Tellurian |
Feb-16-07 07:14 AM |
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So now you insult me? |
cool user name |
Feb-16-07 09:49 AM |
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yeah, and that Joshua Frank article |
paulk |
Feb-16-07 12:34 PM |
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fuckin' kick. |
cool user name |
Feb-17-07 03:03 AM |
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yeah, and I thought anarchy was pretty "cool", too |
paulk |
Feb-17-07 11:58 AM |
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Has nothing to do with being "cool" ... |
cool user name |
Feb-17-07 07:29 PM |
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Feb-15-07 09:27 PM |
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A lot of people |
Alamom |
Feb-16-07 06:54 AM |
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You trust USA Today/Gallup? |
NCevilDUer |
Feb-16-07 09:41 AM |
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There are many more... |
Alamom |
Feb-16-07 11:03 AM |
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Feb-16-07 09:50 AM |
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"bellicose rhetoric and empty platitudes" |
MrSlayer |
Feb-16-07 07:29 PM |
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Thank you and I agree. |
cool user name |
Feb-17-07 07:32 PM |
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So she supports preventative war. |
Zhade |
Feb-17-07 05:04 PM |
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