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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 11:13 AM
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9. Because They Cannot Be Trusted Not To Use Them Against Us, Sir
When you mobilize crowds chanting "Death to America!" as a routine political exercise, you run the risk of being taken at your word, as an unremittingly hostile body who will do what harm is in its power to do to the object of its hatred. Whether there are good grounds for that hatred or not is immaterial to calculating the sincerity with which it is held, and the likelihood of its being given concrete expression. None of the three powers you name is currently in hands hostile to the United States, though there is certainly some danger the Pakistani weapons could come under hostile control.

There are a number of creative possibilities for delivery, that there is little point to going into here, beyond pointig out that a missile lifting off from Iran itself is hardly the only or most likely means, should there be a resolve among the mullahs to do the thing. While such an act would indeed result in the utter ruin of Iran, where persons are moved by acult of martyrdom, it is not easy to gauge how much of a check on their behavior such an extinction constistutes.

Entering into negotiations with Iran in 2003, and indeed at any number of earlier points, would certainly have been a wise course.
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  -Yes, Hillary, We Do Need Moral Leadership cool user name  Feb-15-07 10:00 AM   #0 
  - I'm Afraid that It Isn't An Attutude or Affectation, But the REAL Hillary  Demeter   Feb-15-07 10:06 AM   #1 
  - It's revealing that she didn't want to "discuss" it further ...  cool user name   Feb-15-07 10:47 AM   #6 
     - How about an existential HIT JOB...a 2 in 1 for Common Nightmares!  Tellurian   Feb-15-07 06:50 PM   #39 
        - That's not even clever.  cool user name   Feb-15-07 08:14 PM   #44 
           - Inconvenient Truths, seldom, are clever..  Tellurian   Feb-16-07 08:48 AM   #55 
              - You disparaged the source but ...  cool user name   Feb-16-07 09:47 AM   #57 
                 - It is my right to disparage a disreputable source..  Tellurian   Feb-16-07 10:39 AM   #60 
                    - It is your right but with respect to The Magistrate who was actually civil ...  cool user name   Feb-16-07 11:33 AM   #62 
                    - An Ad Populum/Appeal to Authority argument?  Zhade   Feb-17-07 05:05 PM   #69 
  - If by "existential threat" she means a nuclear arms Iran would  NCevilDUer   Feb-15-07 10:14 AM   #2 
  - Great post.  Zhade   Feb-17-07 05:07 PM   #70 
  - This attitude would turn me off immediately. One of the reasons  jwirr   Feb-15-07 10:17 AM   #3 
  - A Poor Effort By Ms. Miller, Sir  The Magistrate   Feb-15-07 10:19 AM   #4 
  - How would Iran possessing nuclear weapons be a threat to the US?  cool user name   Feb-15-07 10:59 AM   #7 
     - Because They Cannot Be Trusted Not To Use Them Against Us, Sir  The Magistrate   Feb-15-07 11:13 AM   #9 
        - Works both ways, Magistrate.  cool user name   Feb-15-07 11:29 AM   #10 
           - Of Course It Does, Sir  The Magistrate   Feb-15-07 11:54 AM   #12 
              - I'm not sure why Iran can't be trusted.  cool user name   Feb-15-07 12:14 PM   #13 
              - All Such Judgements Are Subjective, Sir  The Magistrate   Feb-15-07 12:50 PM   #14 
                 - But I'm still at a loss to see how or why Iran is a threat to the US.  cool user name   Feb-15-07 04:06 PM   #19 
                 - The Government Of Iran, Sir  The Magistrate   Feb-15-07 04:22 PM   #24 
                    - Contradiction.  cool user name   Feb-15-07 04:42 PM   #28 
                       - That Is Not A Contradiction, Sir  The Magistrate   Feb-15-07 05:01 PM   #30 
                          - In 1979? What about 1956? Who supported the Shah?  cool user name   Feb-15-07 05:41 PM   #32 
                          - Doubtless We Did, Sir  The Magistrate   Feb-15-07 07:02 PM   #40 
                          - That didn't happen in a vacuum. We kinda fucked over the Iranians for decades first.  Zhade   Feb-17-07 05:40 PM   #71 
                 - Addendum:  cool user name   Feb-15-07 04:13 PM   #21 
                    - In Campaigning, Sir  The Magistrate   Feb-15-07 04:19 PM   #22 
                       - She's not engaged in ... reciting addages.  cool user name   Feb-15-07 04:39 PM   #26 
                          - You Know Perfect;y Well, Sir  The Magistrate   Feb-15-07 05:03 PM   #31 
                             - The author admitted to liking Hillary and was thinking about voting for her.  cool user name   Feb-15-07 05:43 PM   #33 
                                - Dishonesty Becomes Her, Sir  The Magistrate   Feb-15-07 07:04 PM   #42 
                                   - Who's being dishonest, Magistrate?  cool user name   Feb-16-07 06:45 AM   #52 
              - If There Were Truly Open and Free Elections HERE, BushCo Would Have Ended in 2004  Demeter   Feb-15-07 02:30 PM   #16 
              - You neglect to mention, however, that the leaders who call for  NCevilDUer   Feb-15-07 03:32 PM   #17 
                 - That, Sir, Is Not So Reliable As To Base Policy On  The Magistrate   Feb-15-07 03:59 PM   #18 
                 - Iran.  sendero   Feb-16-07 06:35 AM   #51 
                 - Nice to hear a voice of reason.  Zhade   Feb-17-07 05:44 PM   #72 
  - How come no one ever explains WHY Iran having a nuclear  Clark2008   Feb-15-07 10:20 AM   #5 
  - They already tried floating a peace initiative back in 2003.  cool user name   Feb-15-07 11:02 AM   #8 
  - And how 'bout that GOP line-up?  AtomicKitten   Feb-15-07 11:37 AM   #11 
  - "Any one of our candidates should make short work of any of them"  mtnsnake   Feb-15-07 12:53 PM   #15 
     - Just can't help yourself, can you? n/t  Blue_In_AK   Feb-15-07 04:23 PM   #25 
     - Yeah, but Clinton is.  Zhade   Feb-17-07 05:47 PM   #73 
  - lots of interesting replies at the link below:  welshTerrier2   Feb-15-07 04:10 PM   #20 
  - NEVER again.....kick that!  RiverStone   Feb-15-07 04:20 PM   #23 
  - You didn't hve to dredge this up for me to know Hillary isn't a good  Morgana LaFey   Feb-15-07 04:41 PM   #27 
  - Who's interests does she serve?  cool user name   Feb-15-07 04:46 PM   #29 
  - Well, certainly not yours- you have your own agenda! nm  Tellurian   Feb-15-07 05:55 PM   #34 
     - And that's supposed to mean what exactly?  cool user name   Feb-15-07 05:57 PM   #35 
        - a question without punctuation..  Tellurian   Feb-15-07 06:10 PM   #36 
           - Punctuation?  cool user name   Feb-15-07 07:57 PM   #43 
              - You tell me! nm  Tellurian   Feb-15-07 09:07 PM   #45 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-16-07 06:15 AM   #49 
                 - You're the one who brought it up!  cool user name   Feb-16-07 11:35 AM   #63 
  - Here's how to derail the Hillary freight train  netpaul   Feb-15-07 06:37 PM   #37 
     - Bullshit! Just vote for Mitt Romney in the General..coward! nm  Tellurian   Feb-15-07 06:43 PM   #38 
     - There are oodles of Democrats that won't either  bonito   Feb-15-07 07:03 PM   #41 
     - neocon agenda...  Tellurian   Feb-15-07 09:09 PM   #46 
        - Thanks for the correction  bonito   Feb-15-07 10:00 PM   #48 
           - Oh, but why would you bash Clinton?  cool user name   Feb-16-07 06:17 AM   #50 
           - Review the definition of the word frontrunner..  Tellurian   Feb-16-07 07:14 AM   #54 
              - So now you insult me?  cool user name   Feb-16-07 09:49 AM   #58 
           - yeah, and that Joshua Frank article  paulk   Feb-16-07 12:34 PM   #64 
              - fuckin' kick.  cool user name   Feb-17-07 03:03 AM   #66 
                 - yeah, and I thought anarchy was pretty "cool", too  paulk   Feb-17-07 11:58 AM   #67 
                    - Has nothing to do with being "cool" ...  cool user name   Feb-17-07 07:29 PM   #74 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-15-07 09:27 PM   #47 
     - A lot of people  Alamom   Feb-16-07 06:54 AM   #53 
     - You trust USA Today/Gallup?  NCevilDUer   Feb-16-07 09:41 AM   #56 
        - There are many more...  Alamom   Feb-16-07 11:03 AM   #61 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-16-07 09:50 AM   #59 
  - "bellicose rhetoric and empty platitudes"  MrSlayer   Feb-16-07 07:29 PM   #65 
  - Thank you and I agree.  cool user name   Feb-17-07 07:32 PM   #75 
  - So she supports preventative war.  Zhade   Feb-17-07 05:04 PM   #68 

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