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26. OTOH nobody wasted time in the 60's flogging Eugene McCarthy with BUT HE VOTED FOR THE WAR!!!!
At some point we have to look at the Libby Trial and the Feith mess and admit that those BushCo did everything in their power to obfusgate, fabricate, etc to create the doubt in congress' mind that Saddam had nukes. I am pretty sure none of the names you listed would have invaded Iraq. It is Bush who abused the process.

As to who is "truly' repentent about IWR vote, I guess you will have to make up your own mind. I too do not like those who won't admit the mistake.

But I am more interested what happens now --- as I said, nobody wasted time flogging Eugene McCarthy over his gulf of Tonkein vote. If those who voted for IWR want to do their damndest to end the war, then I am all for it.
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  -None of these late apologists who voted for the IWR made any "mistake" mtnsnake  Feb-11-07 12:41 PM   #0 
  - I'm no genius (that's for sure) but even I knew that we had no sound reason  ShortnFiery   Feb-11-07 12:43 PM   #1 
  - agreed 100 percent....  mike_c   Feb-11-07 12:43 PM   #2 
  - For all the huffing and puffing...  MonkeyFunk   Feb-11-07 12:44 PM   #3 
  - Sorry, that's not close to the subject. See posts #1, #2, #5 & so on. nt  mtnsnake   Feb-11-07 12:45 PM   #5 
  - untrue  BayCityProgressive   Feb-11-07 12:47 PM   #6 
  - Very nice analogy  mtnsnake   Feb-11-07 12:48 PM   #8 
  - OTOH people have the right to expect that the President is not a Drug Dealer  emulatorloo   Feb-11-07 01:46 PM   #38 
  - No, it's nothing of the sort  MonkeyFunk   Feb-12-07 02:27 AM   #50 
  - Sorry- we still expect "the good guys" to act like the good guys.  Dr Fate   Feb-12-07 04:42 PM   #60 
     - oh, I see the problem now...  MonkeyFunk   Feb-12-07 06:22 PM   #71 
        - Nah- politics should be based on honesty, morals and facts.  Dr Fate   Feb-12-07 06:32 PM   #72 
           - That's a nice dream  MonkeyFunk   Feb-12-07 06:35 PM   #73 
              - Not a dream at all- many DEMS voted "no" instead of "yes."  Dr Fate   Feb-12-07 06:38 PM   #74 
                 - Nah  MonkeyFunk   Feb-12-07 06:43 PM   #75 
                    - At least you seem to admit Hillary had neither morals nor facts on her side.  Dr Fate   Feb-12-07 06:52 PM   #76 
                       - no  MonkeyFunk   Feb-12-07 06:53 PM   #77 
                          - So it is "unreasonable" to expect DEMS to act based on facts & morals?  Dr Fate   Feb-12-07 06:55 PM   #78 
                             - facts?  MonkeyFunk   Feb-12-07 06:56 PM   #79 
                                - Facts of Powell's U.N. lies were available long before we invaded.  Dr Fate   Feb-12-07 07:06 PM   #81 
                                   - there's little point in continuing this  MonkeyFunk   Feb-12-07 07:07 PM   #82 
                                      - Yes-there is little point in you continuing to lose this argument.  Dr Fate   Feb-12-07 07:10 PM   #83 
  - exactly right  AtomicKitten   Feb-11-07 12:45 PM   #4 
  - I agree for you and i think that the rank and file Dems agree  MissWaverly   Feb-11-07 12:47 PM   #7 
  - Is good judgment too much to ask for?  elizm   Feb-11-07 12:54 PM   #9 
  - because if you have  BayCityProgressive   Feb-11-07 12:58 PM   #11 
  - Great post.  Vexatious Ape   Feb-11-07 12:55 PM   #10 
  -  LittleClarkie   Feb-11-07 01:01 PM   #12 
  - mtnsnake, if you'd be so kind to answer me this....  Kerry2008   Feb-11-07 01:01 PM   #13 
  - I will not.  BayCityProgressive   Feb-11-07 01:04 PM   #14 
  - So you'll vote for the GOP or sit out?  Kerry2008   Feb-11-07 01:06 PM   #17 
     - nope  BayCityProgressive   Feb-11-07 01:07 PM   #19 
        - Also  BayCityProgressive   Feb-11-07 01:09 PM   #21 
           - The head in the sand vote didn't work last time....did it?  sellitman   Feb-11-07 02:51 PM   #48 
              - did you even read my last post  BayCityProgressive   Feb-11-07 03:06 PM   #49 
  - Yes, I will vote for whoever the Democratic candidate is in the general election  mtnsnake   Feb-11-07 01:05 PM   #16 
  - Well....  Kerry2008   Feb-11-07 01:06 PM   #18 
     - proof?  BayCityProgressive   Feb-11-07 01:07 PM   #20 
        - Are you arguing that she'd do a worse job then Bush?  Kerry2008   Feb-11-07 01:16 PM   #22 
           - no  BayCityProgressive   Feb-11-07 01:31 PM   #27 
  - Hillary's concession speech ...  Everybody   Feb-12-07 01:41 PM   #57 
  - K2008...How do you figure Hillary apologized? She hasn't-  Tellurian   Feb-12-07 05:03 PM   #65 
  - Agreed and K and R. n/t  5X   Feb-11-07 01:04 PM   #15 
  - IWR hypocrisy!  ProSense   Feb-11-07 01:17 PM   #23 
  - Blame the ones who got us into this mess  mtnsnake   Feb-11-07 01:25 PM   #24 
  - No I blame the ones who keep us there! They should have been smart enough to vote for a deadline n/t  ProSense   Feb-11-07 01:27 PM   #25 
  - Figures. The day you ever blame Kerry for his part in anything is the day hell freezes over!  mtnsnake   Feb-11-07 01:33 PM   #29 
     - No, hypocrisy stinks. n/t  ProSense   Feb-11-07 01:37 PM   #33 
  - Bush got us into this mess -- he is the one who abused the process  emulatorloo   Feb-11-07 01:34 PM   #31 
     - Yes. The thread was about the late apologists, in case you forgot, though  mtnsnake   Feb-11-07 01:40 PM   #35 
  - I agree what you said about Obama  BayCityProgressive   Feb-11-07 01:32 PM   #28 
     - Well said, Bay. nt  mtnsnake   Feb-11-07 01:34 PM   #30 
     - Yeah, saying I was once anti-war a few years ago, but since we're at war  ProSense   Feb-11-07 01:40 PM   #37 
        - You're very clever at changing the subject of the thread to make your idol look innocent.  mtnsnake   Feb-11-07 01:47 PM   #39 
           - Not about clever, it's about hypocrisy. You will never admit it, but  ProSense   Feb-11-07 01:58 PM   #41 
           - I can admit that, but that's not what the subject of the thread is about  mtnsnake   Feb-11-07 02:08 PM   #44 
           - This crap is about amendments and is a red herring.  AtomicKitten   Feb-12-07 04:45 AM   #53 
  - OTOH nobody wasted time in the 60's flogging Eugene McCarthy with BUT HE VOTED FOR THE WAR!!!!  emulatorloo   Feb-11-07 01:30 PM   #26 
  - well this isn't the 60's  BayCityProgressive   Feb-11-07 01:37 PM   #34 
     - the parallels are pretty strong. If these guys are going to be strong advocates  emulatorloo   Feb-11-07 01:40 PM   #36 
  - Case in point: Some of those who voted aye originally on IWR said as recently as  wiggs   Feb-11-07 01:36 PM   #32 
  - I think there was only one who said that: John Kerry, and yes it is amazing  mtnsnake   Feb-11-07 01:50 PM   #40 
     - Which was three years ago, and not how he feels now  LittleClarkie   Feb-11-07 02:04 PM   #42 
     - Actually it was less than 2 1/2 yrs ago he said that, about voting for it all over again  mtnsnake   Feb-11-07 02:19 PM   #45 
     - Edwards did as well  GreenArrow   Feb-12-07 07:31 AM   #55 
  - Agreed. nt  speedoo   Feb-11-07 02:04 PM   #43 
  - A peculiar thing to say, maybe  WesDem   Feb-11-07 02:29 PM   #46 
  - Not peculiar at all, AFAIC  mtnsnake   Feb-11-07 02:37 PM   #47 
  - you have eloquently described my disgust  Skittles   Feb-12-07 02:58 AM   #51 
  - I agree  leftofthedial   Feb-12-07 03:33 AM   #52 
  - bump  Doondoo   Feb-12-07 06:16 AM   #54 
  - Amen  sampsonblk   Feb-12-07 07:36 AM   #56 
  - Kerry opposed Bush's DECISION to invade, Clinton supported Bush's decision to invade.  blm   Feb-12-07 04:05 PM   #58 
  - too bad the "yes" vote on the IWR means the same damn thing  AtomicKitten   Feb-12-07 04:46 PM   #61 
  - What's that got to do with the subject? BTW, some think Kerry's apology is the worst 1 of all  mtnsnake   Feb-12-07 05:09 PM   #66 
  - Wow, YOU'RE calling out Clinton on her apology?  Zhade   Feb-12-07 04:32 PM   #59 
  - Mtnsnake has always been consistently opposed  AtomicKitten   Feb-12-07 04:48 PM   #62 
  - Well, I don't agree. Some have since called for or introduced legislation to end the war.  Zhade   Feb-12-07 04:53 PM   #63 
  - They are all responsible for putting us there in the first place  AtomicKitten   Feb-12-07 04:58 PM   #64 
  - Yup, all 28 are equally responsible. They did it & they gotta live with it  mtnsnake   Feb-12-07 05:33 PM   #68 
  - Hers is just as sickening as the rest, maybe more, maybe less, but sickening it is  mtnsnake   Feb-12-07 05:22 PM   #67 
  - I agree like a mofo  Bronyraurus   Feb-12-07 05:39 PM   #69 
  - I certainly..  sendero   Feb-12-07 05:50 PM   #70 
     - Even apolitical types & moderates knew that "yes" means "yes" and "no" meant "no."  Dr Fate   Feb-12-07 06:58 PM   #80 

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