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21. Hi, MATTMAN. Just wanted to butt in here for a moment and
Edited on Sat Feb-03-07 09:52 PM by Old Crusoe
make a comment on Edwards' large steps in recent months in foreign policy.

I'm speaking not in the context of Edwards as a Democratic contender for our nomination, but because the context for leadership and citizenship (in my view anyway) has shifted since the George W. Bush administration.

Language is not Bush's pal. He likely distrusts it. He certainly torments and butchers it in public at every opportunity. Even when he has to deliver a key address, he refuses to hire speech writers to assist, or, the ones he does hire have their fluid words chopped up like kitchen vegetables by Rove or Card or whoever it is who does the chopping. And the final speech sounds like a pastiche instead of coherent language.

And it would be language the Bush administration would have to take into negotiations in the Middle East or with North Korea. The hallmark of their foreign policy is violence against nearly-helpless nations, very likely for oil or some other regional advantage, precipitated by the glaring absence in the belief in or need for negotiation. "Trust us -- Saddam has WPMs -- we have to bomb his ass right now." That kind of positioning.

Edwards -- and other Democrats too -- sounded at that winter meeting like they would have no problem at all with language, and therefore no qualms about sitting down at a table with Syria or Iran.

And that's what's needed, and that's why I think the address Edwards gave goes such a long way toward inspiring faith in that old idea of sitting down and talking things over. Diplomats on all sides know how to do this if they're given half a chance. It begins with language, and Edwards' address yesterday rang true and resonant.

Just my 2-cents' worth.
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  -John Edwards on Iran, Iraq, and Israel (setting the record straight) JohnLocke  Feb-03-07 11:28 AM   #0 
  - This is as plain as it can be  benny05   Feb-03-07 11:33 AM   #1 
  - Agreed. Hi, benny05. I have listened several times now to  Old Crusoe   Feb-03-07 09:26 PM   #14 
  - Thanks for posting about this issue  dk2   Feb-03-07 11:52 AM   #2 
  - So, why is he so different when he speaks to AJC or AIPAC?  Mass   Feb-03-07 11:58 AM   #3 
  - My thoughts exactly.  PFunk   Feb-03-07 12:05 PM   #5 
     - That really is what it sounds like  Texas_Kat   Feb-03-07 01:00 PM   #8 
  - Thanks for clarifying  Digit   Feb-03-07 12:01 PM   #4 
  - This is consistent with what I have heard from him in person.  Heaven and Earth   Feb-03-07 12:05 PM   #6 
  - What is this...a comedy act?  MrPrax   Feb-03-07 12:45 PM   #7 
  - Ahmadinejad is second in command in Iran  FarCenter   Feb-03-07 01:47 PM   #9 
  - Incorrect  Chulanowa   Feb-03-07 10:58 PM   #41 
  - These are The Supreme Ruler of Iran's Powers and duties:  Lone_Wolf   Feb-04-07 01:02 AM   #50 
  - It worries me that Edwards doesn't know this. He needs to do his homework.  Lone_Wolf   Feb-04-07 12:49 AM   #49 
  - The War Party deliberately overstates Ahmadinejad's importance  FarCenter   Feb-04-07 03:09 PM   #54 
  - Exactly...  Lone_Wolf   Feb-05-07 12:45 PM   #66 
  - He knows exctly who's in charge. He said today that Ahmadinejad  Gloria   Feb-04-07 10:14 PM   #60 
     - In all respect...  Lone_Wolf   Feb-05-07 12:43 PM   #65 
  - Welcome to DU, FarCenter.  Clark2008   Feb-04-07 03:46 PM   #57 
  - So glad to see the Ezra Klein piece here on DU.....  Catchawave   Feb-03-07 09:01 PM   #10 
  - Hey there, Catchawave. 'Was doing some musing on the  Old Crusoe   Feb-03-07 09:43 PM   #19 
     - Maybe it will ripple into DU. The hateration here is inexplicable.  chimpymustgo   Feb-04-07 10:00 PM   #59 
  - Can we say damage control.  Skwmom   Feb-03-07 09:10 PM   #11 
  - Edwards is consolidating his stance on Iran  MATTMAN   Feb-03-07 09:13 PM   #12 
  - More like spin control  Texas_Kat   Feb-03-07 09:21 PM   #13 
  - Do you agree or disagree  MATTMAN   Feb-03-07 09:27 PM   #15 
     - I don't believe that HE believes them  Texas_Kat   Feb-03-07 09:33 PM   #16 
        - ?  MATTMAN   Feb-03-07 09:43 PM   #20 
           - I have no way of knowing what's in his 'heart'  Texas_Kat   Feb-03-07 09:51 PM   #22 
              - As a young person I trust that  MATTMAN   Feb-03-07 10:09 PM   #29 
                 - Yes,  Texas_Kat   Feb-03-07 10:15 PM   #31 
                 - I understand your point  MATTMAN   Feb-03-07 10:24 PM   #32 
                 - "I trust that Edwards will not send us to war."  Clarkie1   Feb-03-07 11:01 PM   #42 
                 - Complete, utter bullcrap.  JohnLocke   Feb-04-07 02:02 PM   #53 
                 - From what I just read  MATTMAN   Feb-04-07 03:39 PM   #55 
                 - As the mother of a young boy, I don't share that trust.  Clark2008   Feb-04-07 03:49 PM   #58 
  - That could be the lamest excuse I have ever heard  motocicleta   Feb-03-07 09:34 PM   #17 
  - see post 15  MATTMAN   Feb-03-07 09:40 PM   #18 
     - So the interview is how he really, really, really feels?  motocicleta   Feb-03-07 09:51 PM   #23 
        - I believe this is the common sense approach  MATTMAN   Feb-03-07 10:04 PM   #27 
        - You are entitled to your opinion.  motocicleta   Feb-04-07 06:32 AM   #52 
           - my apologies  MATTMAN   Feb-04-07 03:44 PM   #56 
              - No need to apologize to me,  motocicleta   Feb-05-07 06:17 AM   #64 
        - How does Clark REALLY REALLY feel about the war on Lebanon??  Gloria   Feb-04-07 10:18 PM   #61 
           - Sounds good.  motocicleta   Feb-05-07 06:16 AM   #63 
  - Hi, MATTMAN. Just wanted to butt in here for a moment and  Old Crusoe   Feb-03-07 09:51 PM   #21 
  - resonant as in "deja vu"? second excuse for second warmongering?  The Count   Feb-03-07 09:56 PM   #24 
  - Count, good evening. Resonant in its echoing sense, a sound or  Old Crusoe   Feb-03-07 10:03 PM   #26 
     - Not being */not being GOP - not enough. Not starting wars on bad judgment  The Count   Feb-03-07 11:17 PM   #45 
        - One key hinge is the public perception of what public service entails.  Old Crusoe   Feb-04-07 12:07 AM   #48 
  - whats up Old Crusoe  MATTMAN   Feb-03-07 09:57 PM   #25 
     - Well, I predict you will like what you hear, just as Jim Dobson --  Old Crusoe   Feb-03-07 10:06 PM   #28 
        - we are close to dealing the knock out punch.  MATTMAN   Feb-03-07 10:14 PM   #30 
           - Yep. This Plame trial is starting to really heat things up for a certain  Old Crusoe   Feb-04-07 12:00 AM   #47 
  - In other words, he's in the process of figuring out what the hell he's talking about. nt  Clarkie1   Feb-03-07 10:41 PM   #34 
     - Nope  MATTMAN   Feb-03-07 10:44 PM   #35 
        - LOL. Good spin. nt  Clarkie1   Feb-03-07 10:48 PM   #36 
           - I will ask you the same question I have  MATTMAN   Feb-03-07 10:49 PM   #37 
              - He's learned what he's supposed to say.  Clarkie1   Feb-03-07 10:50 PM   #38 
                 - parroting or not  MATTMAN   Feb-03-07 10:53 PM   #39 
                    - Diplomacy should be the first priority.  Clarkie1   Feb-03-07 10:55 PM   #40 
                       - I will have to catch up to Wes Clark  MATTMAN   Feb-03-07 11:03 PM   #43 
                          - It was somber in tone, but stubbornly hopeful.  Clarkie1   Feb-03-07 11:14 PM   #44 
  - So which John Edwards am I to believe?  Clarkie1   Feb-03-07 10:40 PM   #33 
  - You gotta talk one way to money  DiktatrW   Feb-03-07 11:53 PM   #46 
  - Like Clark did damage control after he offended those Jewish groups  Gloria   Feb-04-07 10:20 PM   #62 
  - It's all bullshit- Iran is not a threat- Bush is creating the propaganda  Luckyduck   Feb-04-07 01:27 AM   #51 
 

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