Milo_Bloom
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Thu Jan-25-07 05:45 PM
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According to the mission statement of the CBC, it was not formed to make a clique of African Americans, it was formed to advance the cause of African Americans in society and give voice to those people who have been underrepresented.
I am glad you bring up BET, since that is an excellent example. BET is designed to be entertainment predominantly BY and FOR African Americans... However, Whites and other races DO ACTUALLY appear in and work on some of their programming.
So, back to the issue at hand. Since this particular member shares their interests in advancing the cause of African Americans and shares their views on topics, his skin color alone should NOT disqualify him, much like it doesn't disqualify those who work on and appear in BET programming.
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| -Should a white congressman be allowed into the Black Caucus? |
LynneSin |
Jan-24-07 01:18 PM |
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can a man join a woman's caucus? |
Lerkfish |
Jan-24-07 01:24 PM |
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Very valid point |
LynneSin |
Jan-24-07 01:26 PM |
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Suppose a male candidate |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 09:40 AM |
#18 |
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So you're suggesting that Cohen |
hughee99 |
Jan-25-07 12:31 PM |
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Please do not misrepresent my words. |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 01:06 PM |
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It seems to me that his predecessor |
hughee99 |
Jan-25-07 01:18 PM |
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It's one thing to want to become a member, |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 01:41 PM |
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I understand that it's difficult to explain |
hughee99 |
Jan-25-07 01:47 PM |
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Maybe this particular member wouldn't be a problem, but it sets a dangerous precedent |
beaconess |
Jan-25-07 02:05 PM |
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I think this particular member, in my opinion, anyway |
hughee99 |
Jan-25-07 02:48 PM |
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Hugh, DON'T YOU EVEN SEE IT??? |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 03:21 PM |
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So a conservative like J.C. Watts would |
hughee99 |
Jan-25-07 10:18 PM |
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it hurts the CBC because |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 07:10 PM |
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Damn! that was good! |
beaconess |
Jan-26-07 10:39 AM |
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If it is illegal and wrong for white people to discriminate against |
JDPriestly |
Jan-25-07 09:25 PM |
#75 |
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I cannot address the numerous ignorant assertions |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 09:34 PM |
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Can Conservatives join the Liberal caucus? |
SharonAnn |
Jan-25-07 01:35 PM |
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I think it would behoove the black caucus to allow him in |
BOSSHOG |
Jan-24-07 01:30 PM |
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If 60% of the voters in his district can accept him, |
hughee99 |
Jan-24-07 01:45 PM |
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why is the caucus a caucus? |
orangepeel68 |
Jan-24-07 01:33 PM |
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Difficult question... |
Solon |
Jan-24-07 01:36 PM |
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no |
Nimrod2005 |
Jan-24-07 01:36 PM |
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not as long as they include hiim in news or decisions about the |
28erl |
Jan-24-07 01:36 PM |
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If it is called Black Group why would he want to? |
izzie |
Jan-24-07 01:51 PM |
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Yes, that's called the Republican Party |
LynneSin |
Jan-24-07 01:53 PM |
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Bah da BUM! |
hashibabba |
Jan-24-07 02:29 PM |
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Both do seem to have old white guys that talk. |
izzie |
Jan-25-07 05:42 AM |
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In this case, yes. |
ieoeja |
Jan-24-07 01:54 PM |
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I think It's Called "Black Caucus" For A Reason! |
ChiciB1 |
Jan-24-07 01:58 PM |
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When I saw this post, I thought, "Huh?" |
Clark2008 |
Jan-24-07 02:31 PM |
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the Black Caucus is for Black Members, who are still a distinct minority in Congress |
beaconess |
Jan-25-07 12:39 PM |
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I'm not stupid. I do know this. |
Clark2008 |
Jan-25-07 09:34 PM |
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He's clearly demonstrated his insensitivity |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 11:35 PM |
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He's only trying to help |
darboy |
Jan-26-07 08:37 AM |
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The road to hell... |
Karenina |
Jan-26-07 10:13 AM |
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See post #135 for an update! |
Karenina |
Jan-26-07 11:24 AM |
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He doesn't need to be a member of the CBC to keep abreast of the issues |
beaconess |
Jan-26-07 12:19 PM |
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I would want to join too |
Jersey Ginny |
Jan-24-07 03:17 PM |
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Hey, you don't see black congressmembers tyring to join exclusive white caucuses |
Bucky |
Jan-25-07 05:50 AM |
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but i don't think there is a "white" caucus. "white" was the |
orleans |
Jan-25-07 04:08 PM |
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Exactly! |
beaconess |
Jan-26-07 10:42 AM |
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Simply "NO." eom |
ShortnFiery |
Jan-25-07 09:47 AM |
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I thought I bit about this last night |
LynneSin |
Jan-25-07 10:01 AM |
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That is something he will now have to demonstrate |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 12:05 PM |
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right! |
beaconess |
Jan-25-07 12:51 PM |
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Yes, clearly he will have to demonstrate his intentions... |
hughee99 |
Jan-25-07 01:04 PM |
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Your remarks clearly show |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 01:14 PM |
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Should I apologize for believing what I say? |
hughee99 |
Jan-25-07 01:32 PM |
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And your remarks show you have no understanding about Cohen's |
Clark2008 |
Jan-25-07 09:38 PM |
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They... |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 09:41 PM |
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Imagine if you knew something more about Cohen. |
Clark2008 |
Jan-25-07 09:36 PM |
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They. Them . The "other." |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 09:44 PM |
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Some assume that by remaining all black, the CBC isn't aligning itself with others |
beaconess |
Jan-25-07 12:50 PM |
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yes, exactly, I don't get why so many see it as an either/or situation n/t |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 07:20 PM |
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I agree w/ you ... |
hippiechick |
Jan-25-07 01:44 PM |
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It's their caucus so they get to decide if they want him or not |
underpants |
Jan-25-07 12:19 PM |
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As a Black man i think he should be allowed to join |
bigdarryl |
Jan-25-07 12:29 PM |
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Don't know what's missing, but he's white. Can't see more qubbling about it is needed. |
Judi Lynn |
Jan-25-07 01:13 PM |
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Black Caucus members should put it to a vote every two years. Case closed. |
oasis |
Jan-25-07 01:47 PM |
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I'm sure the CBC will appreciate you instructing them on how to run their caucus |
beaconess |
Jan-25-07 03:43 PM |
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Since they do such good work, I won't charge them my usual consultation fee. |
oasis |
Jan-25-07 09:38 PM |
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They are our elected representatives and we do have a right to give them our advice |
Hippo_Tron |
Jan-26-07 01:27 AM |
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In order to understand why this is a problem, you need to know the history behind all of this |
beaconess |
Jan-25-07 02:15 PM |
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No less a stellar luminary than Tom Tancredo |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 04:01 PM |
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Good God. |
Clark2008 |
Jan-25-07 09:48 PM |
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He did not have the political savvy |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 10:04 PM |
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It also shows another reason why he shouldn't be in the CBC |
beaconess |
Jan-26-07 10:47 AM |
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JUST KIDDING!!! |
Karenina |
Jan-26-07 11:13 AM |
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Egg, Meet Cohen's Face, Cohen's Face, Meet Egg |
beaconess |
Jan-26-07 12:21 PM |
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What is the mission of the CBC? |
liberalpragmatist |
Jan-25-07 03:50 PM |
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The mission is to give African-American legislators a vehicle for addressing the concerns |
beaconess |
Jan-25-07 03:55 PM |
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I don't think so |
KingFlorez |
Jan-25-07 04:02 PM |
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The demographics of the district have no bearing on CBC membership |
beaconess |
Jan-25-07 04:04 PM |
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i think the black caucus should do whatever they want--including |
orleans |
Jan-25-07 04:16 PM |
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Let's try this: |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 04:31 PM |
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Absolutely 100% YES |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 04:39 PM |
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Like someone else said, it's not about district demographics |
KingFlorez |
Jan-25-07 05:36 PM |
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That is NOT what it was founded upon. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 05:47 PM |
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that mission statement isn't incongruous with their actions |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 07:40 PM |
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Of course they can |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 09:15 PM |
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um, no they can't |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 09:33 PM |
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Of course they can |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 10:01 PM |
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gee, are you deliberately missing the point? An organization can't be both an |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 10:30 PM |
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Wrong again. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 10:49 PM |
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so the CBC is essentially illegal? |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 11:30 PM |
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If they are discriminating based only on race, yes. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-26-07 01:09 AM |
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you haven't shown any statute that would apply to the CBC, and I think you misrepresent their status |
fishwax |
Jan-26-07 02:55 AM |
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hear hear! |
beaconess |
Jan-26-07 10:50 AM |
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How condescending! |
beaconess |
Jan-26-07 10:49 AM |
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He's the DECIDER! He decides. |
Karenina |
Jan-26-07 03:28 PM |
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Here... |
Infinite Hope |
Jan-25-07 04:58 PM |
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Absolutely NOT.... |
Bullet1987 |
Jan-25-07 05:19 PM |
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Um...who said there's no white caucus? You must have replied to the wrong comment. n/t |
Infinite Hope |
Jan-25-07 05:35 PM |
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But.... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 05:45 PM |
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This particular member claims to |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 07:35 PM |
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Are you saying the CBC can't meet it's goals if it doesn't invite white people as official members? |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 07:55 PM |
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Absolutely |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 09:11 PM |
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does their original mission say anything about accepting members regardless of race |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 09:44 PM |
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"Their goals were to positively influence the course of events pertinent to African Americans.... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 10:07 PM |
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so that would be a no |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 10:32 PM |
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Actually, it was a yes. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 10:33 PM |
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then could you post the part where it says they would accept members of other races again, because |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 10:35 PM |
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"Their goals were to positively influence the course of events pertinent to African Americans.... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 10:50 PM |
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and that says what about their membership? |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 11:32 PM |
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The mission statement is tied to the membership. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-26-07 12:33 AM |
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they think the mission statement is tied to membership too |
fishwax |
Jan-26-07 12:44 AM |
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"Their goals were to positively influence the course of events pertinent to African Americans.... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-26-07 01:28 AM |
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you keep repeating that phrase, but it STILL doesn't say anything about their |
fishwax |
Jan-26-07 04:13 AM |
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And who are black folks to THINK they are in a position to "allow"? |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 08:09 PM |
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No. |
Lilith Velkor |
Jan-25-07 05:35 PM |
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What's next, Joe Lieberman in the Progressive Caucus? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jan-25-07 07:57 PM |
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LOL |
Lirwin2 |
Jan-25-07 09:14 PM |
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No, because the potential for abuse is too high |
MN Against Bush |
Jan-25-07 08:41 PM |
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Steve Cohen ABUSED the CBC |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 09:01 PM |
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I certainly don't think they should allow him in |
MN Against Bush |
Jan-25-07 09:13 PM |
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The can of worms he's opened |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 09:23 PM |
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Because he represents the people they are formed to protect! |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 09:19 PM |
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Do what you can to keep your day job. |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 09:25 PM |
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Whatever that means |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 09:28 PM |
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Does it occur to you that the central issue |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 09:35 PM |
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That isn't what was said. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 09:47 PM |
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Once again, with FEELING |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 10:09 PM |
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Once again, with REALITY |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 10:19 PM |
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Jan-25-07 10:55 PM |
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Why "Alert" |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 10:59 PM |
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Damn! I seem to be a magnet |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 09:38 PM |
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so does everybody else in congress |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 09:50 PM |
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Actually it kinda does... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 10:02 PM |
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actually, it doesn't at all |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 10:33 PM |
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Of course it does. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 10:51 PM |
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that says nothing about who they will accept as members |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 11:36 PM |
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They'd have to change the name of the organization |
zulchzulu |
Jan-25-07 10:07 PM |
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Yes definetely |
fujiyama |
Jan-26-07 12:22 AM |
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Absolutly... |
Kosmo |
Jan-26-07 12:22 AM |
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No one is saying he can't be involved |
beaconess |
Jan-26-07 11:00 AM |
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What? |
Andromeda |
Jan-26-07 01:26 AM |
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Well I've posted this elsewhere but here goes. |
Dean Martin |
Jan-26-07 08:39 AM |
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The Minuteman Projects ugly roots |
KenHodson |
Jan-26-07 11:06 AM |
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If he represents black constituants... |
joshcryer |
Jan-26-07 11:03 AM |
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You think that everyone who has black constituents should be in the CBC? |
beaconess |
Jan-26-07 12:24 PM |
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The organization isn't based on constituency |
KingFlorez |
Jan-26-07 12:36 PM |
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yes, it is astounding to see the victim mentality--in the "reverse racism" cries on this thread |
fishwax |
Jan-26-07 01:03 PM |
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