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Wed Jan-24-07 01:24 PM
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| 1. can a man join a woman's caucus? |
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at what point does membership define the group?
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| -Should a white congressman be allowed into the Black Caucus? |
LynneSin |
Jan-24-07 01:18 PM |
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can a man join a woman's caucus? |
Lerkfish |
Jan-24-07 01:24 PM |
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Very valid point |
LynneSin |
Jan-24-07 01:26 PM |
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Suppose a male candidate |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 09:40 AM |
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So you're suggesting that Cohen |
hughee99 |
Jan-25-07 12:31 PM |
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Please do not misrepresent my words. |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 01:06 PM |
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It seems to me that his predecessor |
hughee99 |
Jan-25-07 01:18 PM |
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It's one thing to want to become a member, |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 01:41 PM |
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I understand that it's difficult to explain |
hughee99 |
Jan-25-07 01:47 PM |
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Maybe this particular member wouldn't be a problem, but it sets a dangerous precedent |
beaconess |
Jan-25-07 02:05 PM |
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I think this particular member, in my opinion, anyway |
hughee99 |
Jan-25-07 02:48 PM |
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Hugh, DON'T YOU EVEN SEE IT??? |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 03:21 PM |
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So a conservative like J.C. Watts would |
hughee99 |
Jan-25-07 10:18 PM |
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it hurts the CBC because |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 07:10 PM |
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Damn! that was good! |
beaconess |
Jan-26-07 10:39 AM |
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If it is illegal and wrong for white people to discriminate against |
JDPriestly |
Jan-25-07 09:25 PM |
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I cannot address the numerous ignorant assertions |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 09:34 PM |
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Can Conservatives join the Liberal caucus? |
SharonAnn |
Jan-25-07 01:35 PM |
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I think it would behoove the black caucus to allow him in |
BOSSHOG |
Jan-24-07 01:30 PM |
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If 60% of the voters in his district can accept him, |
hughee99 |
Jan-24-07 01:45 PM |
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why is the caucus a caucus? |
orangepeel68 |
Jan-24-07 01:33 PM |
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Difficult question... |
Solon |
Jan-24-07 01:36 PM |
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no |
Nimrod2005 |
Jan-24-07 01:36 PM |
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not as long as they include hiim in news or decisions about the |
28erl |
Jan-24-07 01:36 PM |
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If it is called Black Group why would he want to? |
izzie |
Jan-24-07 01:51 PM |
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Yes, that's called the Republican Party |
LynneSin |
Jan-24-07 01:53 PM |
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Bah da BUM! |
hashibabba |
Jan-24-07 02:29 PM |
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Both do seem to have old white guys that talk. |
izzie |
Jan-25-07 05:42 AM |
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In this case, yes. |
ieoeja |
Jan-24-07 01:54 PM |
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I think It's Called "Black Caucus" For A Reason! |
ChiciB1 |
Jan-24-07 01:58 PM |
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When I saw this post, I thought, "Huh?" |
Clark2008 |
Jan-24-07 02:31 PM |
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the Black Caucus is for Black Members, who are still a distinct minority in Congress |
beaconess |
Jan-25-07 12:39 PM |
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I'm not stupid. I do know this. |
Clark2008 |
Jan-25-07 09:34 PM |
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He's clearly demonstrated his insensitivity |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 11:35 PM |
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He's only trying to help |
darboy |
Jan-26-07 08:37 AM |
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The road to hell... |
Karenina |
Jan-26-07 10:13 AM |
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See post #135 for an update! |
Karenina |
Jan-26-07 11:24 AM |
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He doesn't need to be a member of the CBC to keep abreast of the issues |
beaconess |
Jan-26-07 12:19 PM |
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I would want to join too |
Jersey Ginny |
Jan-24-07 03:17 PM |
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Hey, you don't see black congressmembers tyring to join exclusive white caucuses |
Bucky |
Jan-25-07 05:50 AM |
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but i don't think there is a "white" caucus. "white" was the |
orleans |
Jan-25-07 04:08 PM |
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Exactly! |
beaconess |
Jan-26-07 10:42 AM |
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Simply "NO." eom |
ShortnFiery |
Jan-25-07 09:47 AM |
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I thought I bit about this last night |
LynneSin |
Jan-25-07 10:01 AM |
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That is something he will now have to demonstrate |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 12:05 PM |
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right! |
beaconess |
Jan-25-07 12:51 PM |
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Yes, clearly he will have to demonstrate his intentions... |
hughee99 |
Jan-25-07 01:04 PM |
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Your remarks clearly show |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 01:14 PM |
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Should I apologize for believing what I say? |
hughee99 |
Jan-25-07 01:32 PM |
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And your remarks show you have no understanding about Cohen's |
Clark2008 |
Jan-25-07 09:38 PM |
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They... |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 09:41 PM |
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Imagine if you knew something more about Cohen. |
Clark2008 |
Jan-25-07 09:36 PM |
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They. Them . The "other." |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 09:44 PM |
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Some assume that by remaining all black, the CBC isn't aligning itself with others |
beaconess |
Jan-25-07 12:50 PM |
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yes, exactly, I don't get why so many see it as an either/or situation n/t |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 07:20 PM |
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I agree w/ you ... |
hippiechick |
Jan-25-07 01:44 PM |
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It's their caucus so they get to decide if they want him or not |
underpants |
Jan-25-07 12:19 PM |
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As a Black man i think he should be allowed to join |
bigdarryl |
Jan-25-07 12:29 PM |
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Don't know what's missing, but he's white. Can't see more qubbling about it is needed. |
Judi Lynn |
Jan-25-07 01:13 PM |
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Black Caucus members should put it to a vote every two years. Case closed. |
oasis |
Jan-25-07 01:47 PM |
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I'm sure the CBC will appreciate you instructing them on how to run their caucus |
beaconess |
Jan-25-07 03:43 PM |
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Since they do such good work, I won't charge them my usual consultation fee. |
oasis |
Jan-25-07 09:38 PM |
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They are our elected representatives and we do have a right to give them our advice |
Hippo_Tron |
Jan-26-07 01:27 AM |
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In order to understand why this is a problem, you need to know the history behind all of this |
beaconess |
Jan-25-07 02:15 PM |
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No less a stellar luminary than Tom Tancredo |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 04:01 PM |
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Good God. |
Clark2008 |
Jan-25-07 09:48 PM |
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He did not have the political savvy |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 10:04 PM |
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It also shows another reason why he shouldn't be in the CBC |
beaconess |
Jan-26-07 10:47 AM |
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JUST KIDDING!!! |
Karenina |
Jan-26-07 11:13 AM |
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Egg, Meet Cohen's Face, Cohen's Face, Meet Egg |
beaconess |
Jan-26-07 12:21 PM |
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What is the mission of the CBC? |
liberalpragmatist |
Jan-25-07 03:50 PM |
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The mission is to give African-American legislators a vehicle for addressing the concerns |
beaconess |
Jan-25-07 03:55 PM |
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I don't think so |
KingFlorez |
Jan-25-07 04:02 PM |
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The demographics of the district have no bearing on CBC membership |
beaconess |
Jan-25-07 04:04 PM |
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i think the black caucus should do whatever they want--including |
orleans |
Jan-25-07 04:16 PM |
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Let's try this: |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 04:31 PM |
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Absolutely 100% YES |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 04:39 PM |
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Like someone else said, it's not about district demographics |
KingFlorez |
Jan-25-07 05:36 PM |
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That is NOT what it was founded upon. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 05:47 PM |
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that mission statement isn't incongruous with their actions |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 07:40 PM |
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Of course they can |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 09:15 PM |
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um, no they can't |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 09:33 PM |
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Of course they can |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 10:01 PM |
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gee, are you deliberately missing the point? An organization can't be both an |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 10:30 PM |
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Wrong again. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 10:49 PM |
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so the CBC is essentially illegal? |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 11:30 PM |
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If they are discriminating based only on race, yes. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-26-07 01:09 AM |
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you haven't shown any statute that would apply to the CBC, and I think you misrepresent their status |
fishwax |
Jan-26-07 02:55 AM |
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hear hear! |
beaconess |
Jan-26-07 10:50 AM |
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How condescending! |
beaconess |
Jan-26-07 10:49 AM |
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He's the DECIDER! He decides. |
Karenina |
Jan-26-07 03:28 PM |
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Here... |
Infinite Hope |
Jan-25-07 04:58 PM |
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Absolutely NOT.... |
Bullet1987 |
Jan-25-07 05:19 PM |
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Um...who said there's no white caucus? You must have replied to the wrong comment. n/t |
Infinite Hope |
Jan-25-07 05:35 PM |
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But.... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 05:45 PM |
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This particular member claims to |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 07:35 PM |
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Are you saying the CBC can't meet it's goals if it doesn't invite white people as official members? |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 07:55 PM |
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Absolutely |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 09:11 PM |
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does their original mission say anything about accepting members regardless of race |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 09:44 PM |
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"Their goals were to positively influence the course of events pertinent to African Americans.... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 10:07 PM |
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so that would be a no |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 10:32 PM |
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Actually, it was a yes. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 10:33 PM |
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then could you post the part where it says they would accept members of other races again, because |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 10:35 PM |
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"Their goals were to positively influence the course of events pertinent to African Americans.... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 10:50 PM |
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and that says what about their membership? |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 11:32 PM |
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The mission statement is tied to the membership. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-26-07 12:33 AM |
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they think the mission statement is tied to membership too |
fishwax |
Jan-26-07 12:44 AM |
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"Their goals were to positively influence the course of events pertinent to African Americans.... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-26-07 01:28 AM |
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you keep repeating that phrase, but it STILL doesn't say anything about their |
fishwax |
Jan-26-07 04:13 AM |
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And who are black folks to THINK they are in a position to "allow"? |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 08:09 PM |
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No. |
Lilith Velkor |
Jan-25-07 05:35 PM |
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What's next, Joe Lieberman in the Progressive Caucus? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jan-25-07 07:57 PM |
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LOL |
Lirwin2 |
Jan-25-07 09:14 PM |
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No, because the potential for abuse is too high |
MN Against Bush |
Jan-25-07 08:41 PM |
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Steve Cohen ABUSED the CBC |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 09:01 PM |
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I certainly don't think they should allow him in |
MN Against Bush |
Jan-25-07 09:13 PM |
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The can of worms he's opened |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 09:23 PM |
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Because he represents the people they are formed to protect! |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 09:19 PM |
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Do what you can to keep your day job. |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 09:25 PM |
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Whatever that means |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 09:28 PM |
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Does it occur to you that the central issue |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 09:35 PM |
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That isn't what was said. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 09:47 PM |
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Once again, with FEELING |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 10:09 PM |
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Once again, with REALITY |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 10:19 PM |
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Name removed |
Jan-25-07 10:55 PM |
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Why "Alert" |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 10:59 PM |
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Damn! I seem to be a magnet |
Karenina |
Jan-25-07 09:38 PM |
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so does everybody else in congress |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 09:50 PM |
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Actually it kinda does... |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 10:02 PM |
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actually, it doesn't at all |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 10:33 PM |
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Of course it does. |
Milo_Bloom |
Jan-25-07 10:51 PM |
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that says nothing about who they will accept as members |
fishwax |
Jan-25-07 11:36 PM |
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They'd have to change the name of the organization |
zulchzulu |
Jan-25-07 10:07 PM |
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Yes definetely |
fujiyama |
Jan-26-07 12:22 AM |
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Absolutly... |
Kosmo |
Jan-26-07 12:22 AM |
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No one is saying he can't be involved |
beaconess |
Jan-26-07 11:00 AM |
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What? |
Andromeda |
Jan-26-07 01:26 AM |
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Well I've posted this elsewhere but here goes. |
Dean Martin |
Jan-26-07 08:39 AM |
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The Minuteman Projects ugly roots |
KenHodson |
Jan-26-07 11:06 AM |
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If he represents black constituants... |
joshcryer |
Jan-26-07 11:03 AM |
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You think that everyone who has black constituents should be in the CBC? |
beaconess |
Jan-26-07 12:24 PM |
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The organization isn't based on constituency |
KingFlorez |
Jan-26-07 12:36 PM |
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yes, it is astounding to see the victim mentality--in the "reverse racism" cries on this thread |
fishwax |
Jan-26-07 01:03 PM |
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