wiley
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Tue Jan-23-07 05:37 PM
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| 66. Senator Clinton's hold on a bad Ryan White Reauthorization Plan |
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put her at odds with many red state Senators and others who were going to cut off funding for HIV/AIDS prevention, outreach, treatment and support. This truly pissed off a great many people in states that one would assume she would need votes from. She held her ground and did what was right and courageous.
Thanks to her courageous stand - even under the threat from Senators like Thune and Enzi that they would add grotesque amendments like making it illegal for health care providers to discuss anything but abstinenece with patients at risk of sexually transmitted diseases - a compromise was reached that even Senator Kennedy (who had basically given up) could live with. Then, Senator Clinton lifted her hold.
All the while Republicans and political ruminators were saying that this would ruin her chances at being elected President. Whether it did or not I can not say, but she stood on principle.
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 Help Me Out Here - Mrs. Clinton's Most Courageous Stands? |
MannyGoldstein |
Jan-22-07 10:08 PM |
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Using that basis Bush would be King Valiant |
Little Wing |
Jan-22-07 10:09 PM |
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Ever Heard of the Golden Mean? |
MannyGoldstein |
Jan-22-07 10:11 PM |
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I don't think you have a full understanding of "The Golden Mean" |
Little Wing |
Jan-22-07 10:48 PM |
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not a clue here |
Pharaoh |
Jan-22-07 10:11 PM |
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I LOVE YOUR TAG LINE n/t |
MannyGoldstein |
Jan-22-07 10:12 PM |
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true though isn't it |
Pharaoh |
Jan-22-07 10:18 PM |
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I'm glad you pointed that tag line out - it' s great. |
karynnj |
Jan-23-07 12:10 AM |
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Didn't she call Bush out on Tora Bora? Supported Kerry's call for Rumsfeld's firing in 2003-4? |
blm |
Jan-22-07 10:21 PM |
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These positions were "contrary to public opinion polls?" n/t |
PaulHo |
Jan-22-07 10:25 PM |
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heh...they were contrary to SENATE Dems' opinion polls. |
blm |
Jan-22-07 10:28 PM |
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lol |
sandnsea |
Jan-23-07 07:32 PM |
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Refusing to stay home and bake CooKies! |
OnceUponTimeOnTheNet |
Jan-22-07 10:24 PM |
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Yeah that remark was really insulting |
Lord Byron |
Jan-23-07 10:13 AM |
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Why was that insulting? |
ieoeja |
Jan-23-07 02:27 PM |
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Why is that a criteria? |
SaveElmer |
Jan-22-07 10:26 PM |
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No No No |
MannyGoldstein |
Jan-22-07 10:33 PM |
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That is simply wrong... |
SaveElmer |
Jan-22-07 10:43 PM |
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You're mistaken |
mycritters2 |
Jan-22-07 11:20 PM |
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Except when he was debating in Southern Illinois... |
SaveElmer |
Jan-22-07 11:27 PM |
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If You're A Huge Lincoln Admirer, I Have A Happy Surprise For You |
MannyGoldstein |
Jan-22-07 11:48 PM |
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In fact I have read those books and more... |
SaveElmer |
Jan-22-07 11:52 PM |
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He Suspended Habeas Corpus - But Immediately Asked Congress To OK It |
MannyGoldstein |
Jan-23-07 12:04 AM |
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How about his jailing... |
SaveElmer |
Jan-23-07 12:06 AM |
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I Didn't Know That He Did That |
MannyGoldstein |
Jan-23-07 12:09 AM |
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Well it was in DC... |
SaveElmer |
Jan-23-07 12:11 AM |
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self delete |
karynnj |
Jan-23-07 12:22 AM |
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Not exactly :"Monstrous injustice of slavery itself". |
PaulHo |
Jan-22-07 11:28 PM |
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During the Lincoln Douglas Debates |
SaveElmer |
Jan-22-07 11:30 PM |
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I believe "citzenship" and "slavery" are two entirely different topics. |
ieoeja |
Jan-23-07 02:52 PM |
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Indeed. Nicely explicated. n/t |
PaulHo |
Jan-23-07 03:32 PM |
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Lets get back to my original statement... |
SaveElmer |
Jan-23-07 04:56 PM |
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Oh, sure, let's bring facts into this. |
ieoeja |
Jan-23-07 05:35 PM |
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Alright |
MrRobotsHolyOrders |
Jan-22-07 10:40 PM |
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Well I have to disagree with you on her war stance... |
SaveElmer |
Jan-22-07 10:53 PM |
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Respect |
MrRobotsHolyOrders |
Jan-22-07 11:00 PM |
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Yep... |
SaveElmer |
Jan-22-07 11:03 PM |
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Not to make this thread go on forever, but.... |
MrRobotsHolyOrders |
Jan-22-07 11:14 PM |
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So, by implication, what are you ( and she) saying.... |
PaulHo |
Jan-22-07 11:08 PM |
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Not at all... |
SaveElmer |
Jan-22-07 11:13 PM |
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Did she speak out in early 2003 when that info |
karynnj |
Jan-23-07 12:27 AM |
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Because it is about leadership, she does not lead. It is about coalition, she is divisive. |
greyhound1966 |
Jan-23-07 05:26 PM |
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So much wrong in only 76 words... |
SaveElmer |
Jan-23-07 06:01 PM |
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She is my Senator |
Nite Owl |
Jan-22-07 10:26 PM |
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She's been strongly against violent video games. |
Jim Sagle |
Jan-22-07 10:45 PM |
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Hey, you took mine! |
evlbstrd |
Jan-22-07 10:57 PM |
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Well, when you've only got one issue, it's tough to share. |
Jim Sagle |
Jan-22-07 11:31 PM |
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True that. |
evlbstrd |
Jan-23-07 12:05 AM |
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Hmmm... I thought Tipper Gore did that! n/t |
Tatiana |
Jan-23-07 02:58 AM |
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Tipper's cause was dangerous music. |
Jim Sagle |
Jan-23-07 09:40 AM |
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Well, She Admitted She Had No Idea |
rwenos |
Jan-22-07 10:53 PM |
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Her attitude towards political risks for principles can be summed up by... |
earthlover |
Jan-22-07 10:53 PM |
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Are the other candidates in it to lose? n/t |
terisan |
Jan-22-07 11:32 PM |
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Old Saying about Leadership |
terisan |
Jan-23-07 12:01 AM |
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well, there was her non-vote on the Bankruptcy |
leftofthedial |
Jan-23-07 12:26 AM |
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But She DID Vote For The First Predatory Lender Protection Act |
MannyGoldstein |
Jan-23-07 12:42 AM |
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SHe gave a speech the day before laying out her opposition...she missed the vote... |
SaveElmer |
Jan-23-07 12:46 AM |
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to her credit, she says she would have voted "no." |
leftofthedial |
Jan-23-07 02:56 AM |
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that was the 2005 legislation, actually |
paulk |
Jan-23-07 03:39 PM |
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You're right she did have a lot of company i including John Edwards |
karynnj |
Jan-23-07 05:01 PM |
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OTOH, it looks like a plus for Sam Brownback! |
paulk |
Jan-23-07 06:34 PM |
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I agree - your point though is well taken |
karynnj |
Jan-24-07 09:04 AM |
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Kick- Still waiting for a real answer. Anybody? |
Porcupine |
Jan-23-07 02:14 AM |
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Actually the majority was for war at the time. But when she knew Iraq was in |
blm |
Jan-23-07 02:29 PM |
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Towing the corporate party line |
Lord Byron |
Jan-23-07 10:12 AM |
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"Bush Knew".Q: Who stood up in the senate chamber with a copy of the NY Post |
oasis |
Jan-23-07 10:53 AM |
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Oh, I remember that! |
Nedsdag |
Jan-23-07 02:38 PM |
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Do you remember if anyone in the House or Senate backed her up on it? |
oasis |
Jan-23-07 02:47 PM |
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Geez, I think you could have asked this same question ... |
harveyc |
Jan-23-07 05:15 PM |
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Even "her" health-care plan was nothing more than a gigantic windfall |
greyhound1966 |
Jan-23-07 05:17 PM |
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Senator Clinton's hold on a bad Ryan White Reauthorization Plan |
wiley |
Jan-23-07 05:37 PM |
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Sometimes |
bmbmd |
Jan-23-07 06:36 PM |
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stayin with Bill, and not baking cookies. |
librechik |
Jan-23-07 07:22 PM |
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she opposed |
MonkeyFunk |
Jan-23-07 07:34 PM |
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thx for the correxn |
librechik |
Jan-23-07 09:56 PM |
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"Courageous" |
area51 |
Jan-24-07 11:54 AM |
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