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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-18-07 11:35 AM
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55. That all depends on whether Venezuela is richer or poorer
at the end of Chavez regime. Until that point is reached it
is all conjecture, pure and simple.
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  -Chavez? Hero or Dictator? Canadian_NewDemocrat  Jan-16-07 05:22 PM   #0 
  - Certainly not a hero...  SaveElmer   Jan-16-07 05:32 PM   #1 
  - Hero AND Dictator. A better dictator than Bush I say.  harveyrunner   Jan-21-07 10:08 AM   #112 
  - Just another opportunist using politics to make his way in the world. n/t  no_hypocrisy   Jan-16-07 05:34 PM   #2 
  - I question the wisdom of hosting the Iranian leader. We don't need to give  muntrv   Jan-16-07 05:45 PM   #3 
  - Don't let me catch you in other threads saying that we need to have dialogue  1932   Jan-16-07 09:58 PM   #16 
     - WHY NOT? I'm entitled to an opinion just like any other poster.  muntrv   Jan-17-07 08:14 PM   #38 
  - Historical figure  leveymg   Jan-16-07 05:45 PM   #4 
  - You know, you *could* just do your own research, and reach your own opinion.  scarletwoman   Jan-16-07 05:47 PM   #5 
  - Oh, for pete's sake! Please educate yourself...it's very important!  Peace Patriot   Jan-16-07 05:52 PM   #6 
  - Perfectly stated!  Toonces27   Jan-16-07 06:06 PM   #8 
  - Well-stated, thought-provoking in a non-cliche' way. n/t  Poll_Blind   Jan-16-07 06:42 PM   #11 
  - Very good. *ss and co. hate him because he nationalized the  jwirr   Jan-16-07 06:57 PM   #13 
  - Well Said, Thank You, No se va Chavez. n/t  CRH   Jan-19-07 10:12 AM   #91 
  - Excellent post! thank you  pberq   Jan-19-07 11:11 AM   #93 
  - Um...how about elected president of Venezuela? I like that one.  McCamy Taylor   Jan-16-07 05:56 PM   #7 
  - That's what he is...  SOS   Jan-18-07 11:13 AM   #54 
  - Well, Einstein was a thoroughgoing Socialist, so what was good enough  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jan-16-07 06:35 PM   #9 
  - A good start is watching "Chavez: Inside the coup" streaming, free, HERE:  Poll_Blind   Jan-16-07 06:38 PM   #10 
  - Chavez is a hero! Bush is a tyrant!  IndianaGreen   Jan-16-07 06:49 PM   #12 
  - Are YOU a hero or a dictator?  otherlander   Jan-16-07 09:35 PM   #14 
  - Definitely a progressive hero. MSM wouldn't be trying so hard to rework reality  1932   Jan-16-07 09:56 PM   #15 
  - Hero  Contrite   Jan-17-07 01:19 AM   #17 
  - Don't give up. Adequate background on Latin American history and current events  Judi Lynn   Jan-17-07 02:17 AM   #19 
  - Correction: disregard my post. I completely misread. Proof I'm "awake" far too late to post.  Judi Lynn   Jan-17-07 03:36 AM   #21 
  - Hero!  LaPera   Jan-17-07 02:14 AM   #18 
  - Neither: simply a brute  NV1962   Jan-17-07 03:12 AM   #20 
  - Yeah, we've had more than enough Chavez threads. No one here will be changing his/her mind.  Judi Lynn   Jan-17-07 03:41 AM   #22 
  - Hero  GreenTea   Jan-17-07 03:53 AM   #23 
  - The answer is HERO, my friend.  dad   Jan-17-07 04:35 AM   #24 
  - Not a hero. Not quite a dictator...yet.  jefferson_dem   Jan-17-07 05:41 AM   #25 
  - How about "Chavez: legitimate elected leader of Venezuela"? nt  bemildred   Jan-17-07 09:29 AM   #26 
  - Chavez, a good man, has done GREAT things for Venezuela.  lojasmo   Jan-17-07 09:59 AM   #27 
  - I don't like Chavez, but that still doesn't mean....  generaldemocrat   Jan-17-07 10:15 AM   #28 
  - So especially Lula doesn't like Chavez, eh? That's not the information we DU'ers have held all this  Judi Lynn   Jan-17-07 10:31 AM   #29 
  - Lula and Chavez are rivals....  generaldemocrat   Jan-17-07 10:41 AM   #30 
  - That's Paul Wolfowitz's line--that Chavez is "riding" the oil boom and that,  Peace Patriot   Jan-17-07 11:36 AM   #31 
     - Has Chavez invested in Venezuelan industry?  generaldemocrat   Jan-17-07 12:03 PM   #33 
     - You're wrong about Peru. The leftist candidate, Ollanta Humala, came out of  Peace Patriot   Jan-17-07 09:36 PM   #41 
     - I found a new article you might find interesting, if you've not read it already.  Judi Lynn   Jan-17-07 05:03 PM   #34 
  - What parameters of judgment?  PATRICK   Jan-17-07 11:55 AM   #32 
  - Just because someone  BoneDaddy   Jan-17-07 06:05 PM   #35 
  - Dictator, ruling through soft power.  Kelly Rupert   Jan-17-07 06:08 PM   #36 
  - Why don't you post your information about his lack of transparency.  Judi Lynn   Jan-17-07 09:25 PM   #40 
  - Care to elaborate on the "disregard for transparency" accusation? n/t  greyhound1966   Jan-17-07 11:36 PM   #45 
  - I have seen a valid argument against him.  Bornaginhooligan   Jan-17-07 06:15 PM   #37 
  - He's neither  ProudDad   Jan-17-07 09:12 PM   #39 
  - He's a hero to the indigenous tribe in the outpost the army sent him to  1932   Jan-17-07 11:04 PM   #42 
  - He's not a dictator and in light of the history of South America's national  greyhound1966   Jan-17-07 11:20 PM   #43 
  - Confused About Venezuela?  IndianaGreen   Jan-17-07 11:27 PM   #44 
  - Love that Eva Golinger. So glad to see she referred to the massacre  Judi Lynn   Jan-18-07 04:17 AM   #47 
     - don't you find it fascinating that Mr. Perez started out as a leftist?  paulk   Jan-18-07 01:27 PM   #59 
        - Let's see that information about Carlos Andres Perez being in danger at the hands  Judi Lynn   Jan-18-07 01:43 PM   #60 
           - Hugo Chavez didn't lead the Feb. 27th, '92 coup?  paulk   Jan-18-07 04:53 PM   #75 
              - Provide legitmate information with a link concerning the coup.  Judi Lynn   Jan-18-07 05:06 PM   #76 
              - how about you supply information that he wasn't in danger?  paulk   Jan-18-07 05:59 PM   #79 
              - Don't waste your time attempting to dance around mentally. You'll just get dizzy.  Judi Lynn   Jan-18-07 06:28 PM   #82 
                 - for someone who is always demanding that others "educate"  paulk   Jan-18-07 06:50 PM   #84 
  - Devil or Angel, I can't make up my mind...  LittleClarkie   Jan-17-07 11:38 PM   #46 
  - Hero: He asks for powers that Bush just steals.  Vidar   Jan-18-07 07:33 AM   #48 
  - Neither one.  Bridget Burke   Jan-18-07 07:39 AM   #49 
  - Not the former, and certainly not the latter.  Donald Ian Rankin   Jan-18-07 08:50 AM   #50 
  - Evidence?  PeaceProgProsp   Jan-18-07 11:46 AM   #56 
  - Thought he was a hero...now i think not.  Phoonzang   Jan-18-07 08:51 AM   #51 
  - If you took the time to do your homework you'd be aware that the "other"  Judi Lynn   Jan-18-07 11:02 AM   #52 
  - That's an awful broad brush you are employing ...  ShortnFiery   Jan-18-07 11:11 AM   #53 
  - That all depends on whether Venezuela is richer or poorer  fuzzyball   Jan-18-07 11:35 AM   #55 
  - Poverty down and more people have health care and education  PeaceProgProsp   Jan-18-07 11:47 AM   #57 
     - Then why is crime up......  generaldemocrat   Jan-18-07 11:50 AM   #58 
     - Where can we see those crime stats?  Bridget Burke   Jan-18-07 03:18 PM   #65 
     - Stats/Articles here.....  generaldemocrat   Jan-18-07 03:38 PM   #68 
        - Thanks for the information.  Bridget Burke   Jan-18-07 04:26 PM   #73 
        - The Kozloff article is good. It answers your questions.  PeaceProgProsp   Jan-19-07 05:51 PM   #98 
     - Chavez inherited one of the most wealth-polarized societies in the world  PeaceProgProsp   Jan-19-07 05:48 PM   #97 
     - playing Robin Hood could help the poor but will the general  fuzzyball   Jan-18-07 01:59 PM   #63 
        - Playing Robin Hood? You need to spend a little of your posting time on educating yourself, instead,  Judi Lynn   Jan-18-07 03:40 PM   #69 
           - I dated a woman from Venezuela and that was an education  fuzzyball   Jan-18-07 03:50 PM   #70 
              - You could use help with your reading skills. I said there's no middle class straining away  Judi Lynn   Jan-18-07 04:00 PM   #72 
  - Dictator - loved by DU and his mother. nt  jarab   Jan-18-07 01:46 PM   #61 
  - Loved by the Venezuelan public.  roody   Jan-18-07 06:48 PM   #83 
  - I would say more of a demagogue than either of those two.  LoZoccolo   Jan-18-07 01:48 PM   #62 
  - World Health Organization  happydreams   Jan-18-07 02:27 PM   #64 
  - scum sucking maggot?  Labors of Hercules   Jan-18-07 03:30 PM   #66 
  - You talking to yerself again.  happydreams   Jan-19-07 03:32 PM   #96 
  - Huey Long  malikstein   Jan-18-07 03:36 PM   #67 
  - Funny: President Chavez is referred to as a "dictator" in US Corporate Media...  KansDem   Jan-18-07 03:54 PM   #71 
  - Advocating suspension of mayors, local govt  sandnsea   Jan-18-07 04:29 PM   #74 
  - Post your links. This isn't a gossip page. n/t  Judi Lynn   Jan-18-07 05:07 PM   #77 
     - You know it's true  sandnsea   Jan-18-07 06:12 PM   #80 
        - Typical right-wing crap  ProudDad   Jan-18-07 10:59 PM   #86 
        - Don't you know those are simply biased bits of anti-hugo propaganda promulgated  jefferson_dem   Jan-18-07 11:13 PM   #88 
  - He got lucky  Nederland   Jan-18-07 05:20 PM   #78 
  - Might not even be true  sandnsea   Jan-18-07 06:14 PM   #81 
     - former chief economist of the Venezuelan National Assembly  ProudDad   Jan-18-07 11:01 PM   #87 
  - He was Democratically Elected I don't think he's a dictator  Geek_Girl   Jan-18-07 08:18 PM   #85 
  - Why do you think Chavez is becoming more authoritarian and unilateral?  rman   Jan-19-07 01:25 AM   #89 
  - how much does Hugo's Great Society benefits, cost the country?  Moby Grape   Jan-19-07 07:52 AM   #90 
  - His benefits are sustainable so long as the economy grows....  generaldemocrat   Jan-19-07 10:56 AM   #92 
     - You can answer a lot of your own questions, and spare yourself misapprehension  Judi Lynn   Jan-19-07 12:31 PM   #94 
     - The benefits are sustainable so long as the nation generates income  rman   Jan-19-07 07:28 PM   #99 
  - Maybe he's just a guy.  booley   Jan-19-07 03:15 PM   #95 
  - If Chavez were a Pinochet, he'd be supported by the US  rman   Jan-19-07 07:34 PM   #100 
  - This is a STRANGE thread ....  larissa   Jan-19-07 07:41 PM   #101 
  - Well, the OP did sort of answer his own questions  rman   Jan-20-07 09:01 AM   #102 
  - Maybe he was axed by....  happydreams   Jan-20-07 04:45 PM   #103 
  - My opinions come from the words of his own mouth.  DuaneBidoux   Jan-20-07 06:06 PM   #104 
  - I see  ProudDad   Jan-20-07 08:14 PM   #106 
     - I am most comfortable with the Swedish brand of socialism.  DuaneBidoux   Jan-22-07 02:35 PM   #113 
  - I like his anti-* stance but I am concerned  Maestro   Jan-20-07 08:07 PM   #105 
  - I think it's up to the "middle class"  ProudDad   Jan-20-07 08:21 PM   #107 
  - Again, not everyone participated in that coup.  Maestro   Jan-20-07 09:12 PM   #108 
  - "And now he is attacking Henry (Harry) Ried (Reid)?" Obviously NOT.  Judi Lynn   Jan-21-07 03:35 AM   #109 
     - Hey JudiLynn sorry for getting the spelling wrong.  Maestro   Jan-21-07 10:01 AM   #111 
  - Venezuela dismisses US concerns on Chavez  Judi Lynn   Jan-21-07 05:03 AM   #110 
  - Chavez, A Bridge Too Far?  dollydew   Jan-22-07 03:25 PM   #114 
  - Venezuela has nationalized industries for years.  Judi Lynn   Jan-22-07 04:27 PM   #116 
  - to his people who are not wealthy land owners/corporatists, a hero  SemperEadem   Jan-22-07 03:32 PM   #115 
 

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