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33. Has Chavez invested in Venezuelan industry?
Don't get me wrong, redistribution is a good thing in Venezuela, but the reason I'm saying that he's riding on the oil boom is because little to no investment has occurred in Venezuelan industry-economy. Chavez has not diversified his economy. Which means his government will be very vulnerable if there is a steep decline in the price of oil.

As for Chavez's friends, the only real friends he has are Morales in Bolivia and Correa in Ecuador. Ortega, despite his socialist past, said he wanted to have strong ties in Washington. In Peru, Chavez's candidate lost for no other reason than the fact that he was Chavez's candidate, the Peruvians didn't appreciate the foreign interference on Chavez's part. And Mexico (one of the region's largest economies) just had an election where a center-right candidate won and Chavez's candidate lost.

As for Kirchener, Lula, Bachelet...who are the heads of Latin America's largest economies, they have kept Chavez at an arm-length. While they are all socialists, they are not populists, they don't make decisions just for the hell of it. Their economies are either recovering or growing because they have not undertook excessively populist policies. Brazil, Argentina, Chile have diverisifed their economies, they are not protectionist states, they are inserted in the global economy, THEY ARE SUCCEEDING IN PAYING DOWN THEIR DEBTS LEFT OVER FROM THE 1960s-1980s, and on top of that they have governments that value expanded welfare for the impoverished classes. Lula and Bachelet have largely left the capitalist finance engine in place in their countries, BUT they nevertheless are expanding social services to their constituents.

Brazil, Argentina, and Chile are all better models of development in Latin America because they are better oriented towards the long-term, versus Venezuela that is trying to ride the petroleum gravy train while it lasts.
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  -Chavez? Hero or Dictator? Canadian_NewDemocrat  Jan-16-07 05:22 PM   #0 
  - Certainly not a hero...  SaveElmer   Jan-16-07 05:32 PM   #1 
  - Hero AND Dictator. A better dictator than Bush I say.  harveyrunner   Jan-21-07 10:08 AM   #112 
  - Just another opportunist using politics to make his way in the world. n/t  no_hypocrisy   Jan-16-07 05:34 PM   #2 
  - I question the wisdom of hosting the Iranian leader. We don't need to give  muntrv   Jan-16-07 05:45 PM   #3 
  - Don't let me catch you in other threads saying that we need to have dialogue  1932   Jan-16-07 09:58 PM   #16 
     - WHY NOT? I'm entitled to an opinion just like any other poster.  muntrv   Jan-17-07 08:14 PM   #38 
  - Historical figure  leveymg   Jan-16-07 05:45 PM   #4 
  - You know, you *could* just do your own research, and reach your own opinion.  scarletwoman   Jan-16-07 05:47 PM   #5 
  - Oh, for pete's sake! Please educate's very important!  Peace Patriot   Jan-16-07 05:52 PM   #6 
  - Perfectly stated!  Toonces27   Jan-16-07 06:06 PM   #8 
  - Well-stated, thought-provoking in a non-cliche' way. n/t  Poll_Blind   Jan-16-07 06:42 PM   #11 
  - Very good. *ss and co. hate him because he nationalized the  jwirr   Jan-16-07 06:57 PM   #13 
  - Well Said, Thank You, No se va Chavez. n/t  CRH   Jan-19-07 10:12 AM   #91 
  - Excellent post! thank you  pberq   Jan-19-07 11:11 AM   #93 
  - about elected president of Venezuela? I like that one.  McCamy Taylor   Jan-16-07 05:56 PM   #7 
  - That's what he is...  SOS   Jan-18-07 11:13 AM   #54 
  - Well, Einstein was a thoroughgoing Socialist, so what was good enough  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jan-16-07 06:35 PM   #9 
  - A good start is watching "Chavez: Inside the coup" streaming, free, HERE:  Poll_Blind   Jan-16-07 06:38 PM   #10 
  - Chavez is a hero! Bush is a tyrant!  IndianaGreen   Jan-16-07 06:49 PM   #12 
  - Are YOU a hero or a dictator?  otherlander   Jan-16-07 09:35 PM   #14 
  - Definitely a progressive hero. MSM wouldn't be trying so hard to rework reality  1932   Jan-16-07 09:56 PM   #15 
  - Hero  Contrite   Jan-17-07 01:19 AM   #17 
  - Don't give up. Adequate background on Latin American history and current events  Judi Lynn   Jan-17-07 02:17 AM   #19 
  - Correction: disregard my post. I completely misread. Proof I'm "awake" far too late to post.  Judi Lynn   Jan-17-07 03:36 AM   #21 
  - Hero!  LaPera   Jan-17-07 02:14 AM   #18 
  - Neither: simply a brute  NV1962   Jan-17-07 03:12 AM   #20 
  - Yeah, we've had more than enough Chavez threads. No one here will be changing his/her mind.  Judi Lynn   Jan-17-07 03:41 AM   #22 
  - Hero  GreenTea   Jan-17-07 03:53 AM   #23 
  - The answer is HERO, my friend.  dad   Jan-17-07 04:35 AM   #24 
  - Not a hero. Not quite a dictator...yet.  jefferson_dem   Jan-17-07 05:41 AM   #25 
  - How about "Chavez: legitimate elected leader of Venezuela"? nt  bemildred   Jan-17-07 09:29 AM   #26 
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  - I don't like Chavez, but that still doesn't mean....  generaldemocrat   Jan-17-07 10:15 AM   #28 
  - So especially Lula doesn't like Chavez, eh? That's not the information we DU'ers have held all this  Judi Lynn   Jan-17-07 10:31 AM   #29 
  - Lula and Chavez are rivals....  generaldemocrat   Jan-17-07 10:41 AM   #30 
  - That's Paul Wolfowitz's line--that Chavez is "riding" the oil boom and that,  Peace Patriot   Jan-17-07 11:36 AM   #31 
     - Has Chavez invested in Venezuelan industry?  generaldemocrat   Jan-17-07 12:03 PM   #33 
     - You're wrong about Peru. The leftist candidate, Ollanta Humala, came out of  Peace Patriot   Jan-17-07 09:36 PM   #41 
     - I found a new article you might find interesting, if you've not read it already.  Judi Lynn   Jan-17-07 05:03 PM   #34 
  - What parameters of judgment?  PATRICK   Jan-17-07 11:55 AM   #32 
  - Just because someone  BoneDaddy   Jan-17-07 06:05 PM   #35 
  - Dictator, ruling through soft power.  Kelly Rupert   Jan-17-07 06:08 PM   #36 
  - Why don't you post your information about his lack of transparency.  Judi Lynn   Jan-17-07 09:25 PM   #40 
  - Care to elaborate on the "disregard for transparency" accusation? n/t  greyhound1966   Jan-17-07 11:36 PM   #45 
  - I have seen a valid argument against him.  Bornaginhooligan   Jan-17-07 06:15 PM   #37 
  - He's neither  ProudDad   Jan-17-07 09:12 PM   #39 
  - He's a hero to the indigenous tribe in the outpost the army sent him to  1932   Jan-17-07 11:04 PM   #42 
  - He's not a dictator and in light of the history of South America's national  greyhound1966   Jan-17-07 11:20 PM   #43 
  - Confused About Venezuela?  IndianaGreen   Jan-17-07 11:27 PM   #44 
  - Love that Eva Golinger. So glad to see she referred to the massacre  Judi Lynn   Jan-18-07 04:17 AM   #47 
     - don't you find it fascinating that Mr. Perez started out as a leftist?  paulk   Jan-18-07 01:27 PM   #59 
        - Let's see that information about Carlos Andres Perez being in danger at the hands  Judi Lynn   Jan-18-07 01:43 PM   #60 
           - Hugo Chavez didn't lead the Feb. 27th, '92 coup?  paulk   Jan-18-07 04:53 PM   #75 
              - Provide legitmate information with a link concerning the coup.  Judi Lynn   Jan-18-07 05:06 PM   #76 
              - how about you supply information that he wasn't in danger?  paulk   Jan-18-07 05:59 PM   #79 
              - Don't waste your time attempting to dance around mentally. You'll just get dizzy.  Judi Lynn   Jan-18-07 06:28 PM   #82 
                 - for someone who is always demanding that others "educate"  paulk   Jan-18-07 06:50 PM   #84 
  - Devil or Angel, I can't make up my mind...  LittleClarkie   Jan-17-07 11:38 PM   #46 
  - Hero: He asks for powers that Bush just steals.  Vidar   Jan-18-07 07:33 AM   #48 
  - Neither one.  Bridget Burke   Jan-18-07 07:39 AM   #49 
  - Not the former, and certainly not the latter.  Donald Ian Rankin   Jan-18-07 08:50 AM   #50 
  - Evidence?  PeaceProgProsp   Jan-18-07 11:46 AM   #56 
  - Thought he was a i think not.  Phoonzang   Jan-18-07 08:51 AM   #51 
  - If you took the time to do your homework you'd be aware that the "other"  Judi Lynn   Jan-18-07 11:02 AM   #52 
  - That's an awful broad brush you are employing ...  ShortnFiery   Jan-18-07 11:11 AM   #53 
  - That all depends on whether Venezuela is richer or poorer  fuzzyball   Jan-18-07 11:35 AM   #55 
  - Poverty down and more people have health care and education  PeaceProgProsp   Jan-18-07 11:47 AM   #57 
     - Then why is crime up......  generaldemocrat   Jan-18-07 11:50 AM   #58 
     - Where can we see those crime stats?  Bridget Burke   Jan-18-07 03:18 PM   #65 
     - Stats/Articles here.....  generaldemocrat   Jan-18-07 03:38 PM   #68 
        - Thanks for the information.  Bridget Burke   Jan-18-07 04:26 PM   #73 
        - The Kozloff article is good. It answers your questions.  PeaceProgProsp   Jan-19-07 05:51 PM   #98 
     - Chavez inherited one of the most wealth-polarized societies in the world  PeaceProgProsp   Jan-19-07 05:48 PM   #97 
     - playing Robin Hood could help the poor but will the general  fuzzyball   Jan-18-07 01:59 PM   #63 
        - Playing Robin Hood? You need to spend a little of your posting time on educating yourself, instead,  Judi Lynn   Jan-18-07 03:40 PM   #69 
           - I dated a woman from Venezuela and that was an education  fuzzyball   Jan-18-07 03:50 PM   #70 
              - You could use help with your reading skills. I said there's no middle class straining away  Judi Lynn   Jan-18-07 04:00 PM   #72 
  - Dictator - loved by DU and his mother. nt  jarab   Jan-18-07 01:46 PM   #61 
  - Loved by the Venezuelan public.  roody   Jan-18-07 06:48 PM   #83 
  - I would say more of a demagogue than either of those two.  LoZoccolo   Jan-18-07 01:48 PM   #62 
  - World Health Organization  happydreams   Jan-18-07 02:27 PM   #64 
  - scum sucking maggot?  Labors of Hercules   Jan-18-07 03:30 PM   #66 
  - You talking to yerself again.  happydreams   Jan-19-07 03:32 PM   #96 
  - Huey Long  malikstein   Jan-18-07 03:36 PM   #67 
  - Funny: President Chavez is referred to as a "dictator" in US Corporate Media...  KansDem   Jan-18-07 03:54 PM   #71 
  - Advocating suspension of mayors, local govt  sandnsea   Jan-18-07 04:29 PM   #74 
  - Post your links. This isn't a gossip page. n/t  Judi Lynn   Jan-18-07 05:07 PM   #77 
     - You know it's true  sandnsea   Jan-18-07 06:12 PM   #80 
        - Typical right-wing crap  ProudDad   Jan-18-07 10:59 PM   #86 
        - Don't you know those are simply biased bits of anti-hugo propaganda promulgated  jefferson_dem   Jan-18-07 11:13 PM   #88 
  - He got lucky  Nederland   Jan-18-07 05:20 PM   #78 
  - Might not even be true  sandnsea   Jan-18-07 06:14 PM   #81 
     - former chief economist of the Venezuelan National Assembly  ProudDad   Jan-18-07 11:01 PM   #87 
  - He was Democratically Elected I don't think he's a dictator  Geek_Girl   Jan-18-07 08:18 PM   #85 
  - Why do you think Chavez is becoming more authoritarian and unilateral?  rman   Jan-19-07 01:25 AM   #89 
  - how much does Hugo's Great Society benefits, cost the country?  Moby Grape   Jan-19-07 07:52 AM   #90 
  - His benefits are sustainable so long as the economy grows....  generaldemocrat   Jan-19-07 10:56 AM   #92 
     - You can answer a lot of your own questions, and spare yourself misapprehension  Judi Lynn   Jan-19-07 12:31 PM   #94 
     - The benefits are sustainable so long as the nation generates income  rman   Jan-19-07 07:28 PM   #99 
  - Maybe he's just a guy.  booley   Jan-19-07 03:15 PM   #95 
  - If Chavez were a Pinochet, he'd be supported by the US  rman   Jan-19-07 07:34 PM   #100 
  - This is a STRANGE thread ....  larissa   Jan-19-07 07:41 PM   #101 
  - Well, the OP did sort of answer his own questions  rman   Jan-20-07 09:01 AM   #102 
  - Maybe he was axed by....  happydreams   Jan-20-07 04:45 PM   #103 
  - My opinions come from the words of his own mouth.  DuaneBidoux   Jan-20-07 06:06 PM   #104 
  - I see  ProudDad   Jan-20-07 08:14 PM   #106 
     - I am most comfortable with the Swedish brand of socialism.  DuaneBidoux   Jan-22-07 02:35 PM   #113 
  - I like his anti-* stance but I am concerned  Maestro   Jan-20-07 08:07 PM   #105 
  - I think it's up to the "middle class"  ProudDad   Jan-20-07 08:21 PM   #107 
  - Again, not everyone participated in that coup.  Maestro   Jan-20-07 09:12 PM   #108 
  - "And now he is attacking Henry (Harry) Ried (Reid)?" Obviously NOT.  Judi Lynn   Jan-21-07 03:35 AM   #109 
     - Hey JudiLynn sorry for getting the spelling wrong.  Maestro   Jan-21-07 10:01 AM   #111 
  - Venezuela dismisses US concerns on Chavez  Judi Lynn   Jan-21-07 05:03 AM   #110 
  - Chavez, A Bridge Too Far?  dollydew   Jan-22-07 03:25 PM   #114 
  - Venezuela has nationalized industries for years.  Judi Lynn   Jan-22-07 04:27 PM   #116 
  - to his people who are not wealthy land owners/corporatists, a hero  SemperEadem   Jan-22-07 03:32 PM   #115 

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