Reply #133: Yes, and here is the rub.

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Yes, I said all of that and yes I am suggesting that. I am in no way pretending that it is a "good" thing - in fact it is an evil thing. War is evil and we are in war because the American media and the leaders of our country took us to war, with the majority of American's supporting it. Now that we are there we are stuck there.

It is sad, but as I claimed in other posts my plan is better than both the Kerry and Murtha plan because it actually gives a crap about the future of Iraqi's. Yes, thousands will die as we attempt to pacify the country and we will occupy it until the insurgency dies off and we can assist them in establishing a stable democratic government.

Bush's plan boils down to this: Try and pacify Baghdad in hopes that it gives the Iraqi Government room to breathe. Provoke Iran into assaulting us so we can bomb them back to the stone age to prevent them from gaining a foothold in Iraq. Then implement a plan similar to Murtha or Kerry.

Kerry and Murtha propose a plan where we withdraw, enter into diplomacy with the surrounding nations, and basically occupy Iraq from a distance. They in no way advocate bringing ALL of the troops home. They wish to keep them there to secure the oil and indirectly aid the Iraqi government by arming them to basically kill anyone who opposes them similar to how Saddam came to power. They believe Iran will be kept in check by assisting Iran in becoming part of the world community again, which would be Iran's political intentions in Iraq.

Neither side has what is the Iraqi's best interests at heart. My plan proposes, like the Kerry and Murtha plan, that we "redeploy" as they put it, they favor leaving Iraq and moving offshore and into Kuwait, I favor in remaining slightly closer in the remote regions of Iraq. There we will prevent the chaos in the country from spreading outside. We will actively seek to separate the moderate Iraqi's willing to submit to United States occupation until we can stabilize their country. We will provide them with security and help them get back on their feet. At the same time we will crush the insurgents, both through air strikes and cutting off supplies. Once the insurgency ends we can then begin assisting Iraq into a gradual transition into a stable government. One that is democratic, and if after that they want us to leave - we should.

Now which is worse? The Bush proposal, the Kerry/Murtha proposal or mine? Mine is the only one that has as one of its main goals to ensure a better future for Iraqi's.

IF we pull out it will be under either the Bush plan or the Kerry / Murtha plan. Pick your evil. I do not pretend in any way that what I proposed is "good", "noble" or even very highly "moral" - only that is better than all the alternatives that are currently placed on the table.