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Tue Dec-26-06 05:36 AM
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| 46. We're basically at full employment, therefore I'm really not that concerned |
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Yup, a some small businesses will have setbacks and some jobs will be lost. If we were in a recession I'd say that such a consideration would be important. But we're not in a recession and thus I don't believe such effects merit not doing something that will improve the lives of millions of Americans. Raising the minimum wage $2 an hour simply isn't going to have a dramatic impact on the economy especially considering that money gets re-spent anyway.
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| -What's wrong with this thesis? "Min wage should not be raised if small busnesses fail" |
Katzenjammer |
Dec-25-06 07:10 AM |
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what's wrong with this thesis: "small businesses should not be permitted to thrive on low wages" |
unblock |
Dec-25-06 07:16 AM |
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Small businesses should not be permitted to thrive by slavery. |
SharonAnn |
Dec-28-06 12:30 PM |
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Those are two completely and utterly different claims. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Dec-29-06 07:19 AM |
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does any business have a constitutional right to earn a profit ? |
stansnark |
Dec-25-06 07:29 AM |
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Slavery is illegal. If a business doesn't make enough money to afford to hire employees, they |
Starlight |
Dec-25-06 07:45 AM |
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That's not relevant. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Dec-29-06 07:22 AM |
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They have a right to earn a profit |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Dec-25-06 08:47 AM |
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Helping a family succeed is the point of minimum wage increases. If that hurts small businesses, it |
Infinite Hope |
Dec-25-06 02:48 PM |
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The word PROFIT |
Debs |
Dec-27-06 03:06 AM |
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Here's a question for you. |
cornermouse |
Dec-25-06 07:29 AM |
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the Dow Jones is an indicator of that situation.. how much the poor are screwed |
sam sarrha |
Dec-25-06 08:47 AM |
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Most of those "minimum" wages are paid to illegals, though not all |
still_one |
Dec-25-06 07:32 AM |
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Why would an employer pay an illegal worker minimum wage? |
lumberjack_jeff |
Dec-28-06 03:13 PM |
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I Feel Bad For Small Business Owners |
iamjoy |
Dec-25-06 07:36 AM |
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Eliminate the minimum wage? |
cornermouse |
Dec-25-06 07:42 AM |
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If it's the law, then 'they' will just have to go to prison |
stonecoldsober |
Dec-25-06 08:59 AM |
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And while at it, mandate that workers work for no wages when Mom&Pop |
The Count |
Dec-25-06 07:48 AM |
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Do you have a small business? |
aquart |
Dec-25-06 08:44 AM |
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But That's What I'm Saying |
iamjoy |
Dec-25-06 09:48 AM |
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HEALTHCARE IS THE PROBLEM |
ProudDad |
Dec-25-06 02:34 PM |
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That might work |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Dec-25-06 08:54 AM |
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Maybe then my wife can draw as much as she pays her employees. |
rucky |
Dec-25-06 11:33 AM |
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1ST THING WRONG: WHO'S DEFINING "SMALL"? |
The Count |
Dec-25-06 07:45 AM |
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a .."Small" Business is one making under something like $20,000,000 gross annually.. they redefine |
sam sarrha |
Dec-25-06 08:36 AM |
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Don't like minimum wage? become a billionaire! And have some cake with that |
The Count |
Dec-25-06 09:51 AM |
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That's a very good question. |
zanne |
Dec-27-06 11:49 AM |
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as the former owner of a small business -- a little clothing store -- |
xchrom |
Dec-25-06 07:56 AM |
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you raise really good points |
spooky3 |
Dec-25-06 08:41 AM |
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You've got that right |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Dec-25-06 08:57 AM |
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I worked as a bartender for a family business--a comedy club--for two years... |
KansDem |
Dec-26-06 04:05 PM |
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yeah -- i've ben a bartender as well. |
xchrom |
Dec-26-06 07:37 PM |
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How do you know if small businesses fail without raising the MW? |
Gman |
Dec-25-06 07:57 AM |
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go Google the small business admin and see what they define as Small.. it is in the million$, they |
sam sarrha |
Dec-25-06 08:41 AM |
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They're exempt from Min. Wage legislation. I worked for the NYMets for below.... |
MookieWilson |
Dec-25-06 08:07 AM |
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Small businesses can fail for many reasons |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Dec-25-06 08:36 AM |
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sounds like you are referring to 'Cottage Industry', SBA has another definition for small business |
sam sarrha |
Dec-25-06 08:58 AM |
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Most businesses are destined to fail, for reasons that can't be foreseen. |
eallen |
Dec-25-06 09:27 AM |
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aaccording to their side, NOBODY is actually getting paid min wage |
librechik |
Dec-25-06 08:56 AM |
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Most small businesses pay above min wage |
zalinda |
Dec-25-06 09:47 AM |
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it's been proven that raising minimum wage raises everybody up even |
donsu |
Dec-25-06 09:50 AM |
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You Know, I Hadn't Realized That |
ribofunk |
Dec-25-06 10:02 AM |
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I have never heard of min wage increases |
Lucky Luciano |
Dec-25-06 10:04 AM |
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most small business fails due to incompetent management or under funding nt |
msongs |
Dec-25-06 10:36 AM |
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if a business model does not support at least minimum wage income for its employees |
leftofthedial |
Dec-25-06 10:50 AM |
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The Grinch that Stole Christmas |
Coaster City |
Dec-25-06 01:00 PM |
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the unconscionable fact is |
leftofthedial |
Dec-25-06 05:35 PM |
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totally agree |
NotGivingUp |
Dec-26-06 02:21 AM |
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We need a Prez candidate with the balls to say exactly this |
enough already |
Dec-27-06 08:50 PM |
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No, it isn't, at least not in terms of the morality of the employer. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Dec-29-06 07:28 AM |
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Wanna help small businesses? Three words |
Kber |
Dec-25-06 11:56 AM |
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bingo |
leftofthedial |
Dec-25-06 01:03 PM |
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Global economy is changing that attitude. |
MGKrebs |
Dec-25-06 01:21 PM |
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Amen |
renie408 |
Dec-25-06 05:54 PM |
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I have been pondering it.... |
renie408 |
Dec-25-06 05:52 PM |
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I believe it's called a false dilemma... |
Lone_Wolf |
Dec-26-06 12:56 AM |
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We're basically at full employment, therefore I'm really not that concerned |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-26-06 05:36 AM |
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We're at full employment? You really believe that? |
Perragrande |
Dec-28-06 11:59 PM |
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Small businesses fail all the time. Most of them do not survive. |
robcon |
Dec-26-06 08:16 AM |
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The minimum wage doesn't hurt business nearly as much... |
SanCristobal |
Dec-26-06 06:50 PM |
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did the dittomasters tell you that? |
Skittles |
Dec-27-06 03:08 AM |
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Yes, especially for CEO's |
zalinda |
Dec-27-06 09:54 AM |
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Of course I would say no to capped salaries. |
SanCristobal |
Dec-27-06 06:04 PM |
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How about removing the cap |
ProudDad |
Dec-27-06 06:41 PM |
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I'm not sure what you mean. |
SanCristobal |
Dec-28-06 01:09 AM |
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You do know that Horatio Alger was a fictional character, don't you? |
greyhound1966 |
Dec-29-06 02:33 PM |
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Because in the meantime, while you're striving to get rich... |
lumberjack_jeff |
Dec-28-06 03:27 PM |
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That is a flat out proven LIE. |
TankLV |
Dec-27-06 07:18 PM |
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That is entirely untrue. |
SanCristobal |
Dec-28-06 10:20 PM |
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Argument by anecdote |
lumberjack_jeff |
Dec-28-06 11:39 PM |
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Thanks for the response, |
SanCristobal |
Dec-29-06 12:56 AM |
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"Realized it was true" |
ieoeja |
Dec-29-06 02:55 PM |
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No, what you claim are LIES and is NOT TRUE. |
TankLV |
Dec-29-06 12:28 AM |
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Read reply #73 |
SanCristobal |
Dec-29-06 01:06 AM |
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So efficiency is..... bad. Is that right? |
lumberjack_jeff |
Dec-28-06 03:25 PM |
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Let's see the spreadsheet. |
gulliver |
Dec-26-06 07:08 PM |
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no mention of agriculture here, yet... |
app_farmer_rb |
Dec-27-06 10:42 AM |
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I would be willing to pay more for my food |
ProudDad |
Dec-27-06 06:44 PM |
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Right On: Local Ag for Living Landscapes & Wages! |
app_farmer_rb |
Dec-28-06 12:14 PM |
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Each time the minimum wage is raised, this argument is trotted out |
Javaman |
Dec-27-06 12:06 PM |
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Because that premise has been proven FALSE many times over. |
TankLV |
Dec-27-06 07:00 PM |
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Any small business owner paying under the table needs to jailed |
enough already |
Dec-27-06 08:40 PM |
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Because the premise is false. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-28-06 12:24 PM |
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The people at the bottom of the wage scale don't make the decisions |
bobbolink |
Dec-29-06 03:02 PM |
#83 |
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