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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-25-06 09:47 AM
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26. Most small businesses pay above min wage
Most mom and pop businesses pay above min wage so they can keep good employees. Unlike Walmart, K-Mart and other big box stores, small businesses cannot afford to keep training people. What most people don't understand is that it costs to train people to do a job, banks figure that it takes 3 months to train a good employee. Now on the other hand, we all know that those working in large chains are always changing employees, they aren't depending on providing service to the customer, but low prices.

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  -What's wrong with this thesis? "Min wage should not be raised if small busnesses fail" Katzenjammer  Dec-25-06 07:10 AM   #0 
  - what's wrong with this thesis: "small businesses should not be permitted to thrive on low wages"  unblock   Dec-25-06 07:16 AM   #1 
  - Small businesses should not be permitted to thrive by slavery.  SharonAnn   Dec-28-06 12:30 PM   #68 
     - Those are two completely and utterly different claims.  Donald Ian Rankin   Dec-29-06 07:19 AM   #78 
  - does any business have a constitutional right to earn a profit ?  stansnark   Dec-25-06 07:29 AM   #2 
  - Slavery is illegal. If a business doesn't make enough money to afford to hire employees, they  Starlight   Dec-25-06 07:45 AM   #8 
  - That's not relevant.  Donald Ian Rankin   Dec-29-06 07:22 AM   #79 
  - They have a right to earn a profit  ayeshahaqqiqa   Dec-25-06 08:47 AM   #19 
  - Helping a family succeed is the point of minimum wage increases. If that hurts small businesses, it  Infinite Hope   Dec-25-06 02:48 PM   #40 
  - The word PROFIT  Debs   Dec-27-06 03:06 AM   #52 
  - Here's a question for you.  cornermouse   Dec-25-06 07:29 AM   #3 
  - the Dow Jones is an indicator of that situation.. how much the poor are screwed  sam sarrha   Dec-25-06 08:47 AM   #18 
  - Most of those "minimum" wages are paid to illegals, though not all  still_one   Dec-25-06 07:32 AM   #4 
  - Why would an employer pay an illegal worker minimum wage?  lumberjack_jeff   Dec-28-06 03:13 PM   #69 
  - I Feel Bad For Small Business Owners  iamjoy   Dec-25-06 07:36 AM   #5 
  - Eliminate the minimum wage?  cornermouse   Dec-25-06 07:42 AM   #6 
  - If it's the law, then 'they' will just have to go to prison  stonecoldsober   Dec-25-06 08:59 AM   #24 
  - And while at it, mandate that workers work for no wages when Mom&Pop  The Count   Dec-25-06 07:48 AM   #9 
  - Do you have a small business?  aquart   Dec-25-06 08:44 AM   #17 
  - But That's What I'm Saying  iamjoy   Dec-25-06 09:48 AM   #27 
  - HEALTHCARE IS THE PROBLEM  ProudDad   Dec-25-06 02:34 PM   #39 
  - That might work  ayeshahaqqiqa   Dec-25-06 08:54 AM   #20 
  - Maybe then my wife can draw as much as she pays her employees.  rucky   Dec-25-06 11:33 AM   #34 
  - 1ST THING WRONG: WHO'S DEFINING "SMALL"?  The Count   Dec-25-06 07:45 AM   #7 
  - a .."Small" Business is one making under something like $20,000,000 gross annually.. they redefine  sam sarrha   Dec-25-06 08:36 AM   #13 
  - Don't like minimum wage? become a billionaire! And have some cake with that  The Count   Dec-25-06 09:51 AM   #29 
  - That's a very good question.  zanne   Dec-27-06 11:49 AM   #56 
  - as the former owner of a small business -- a little clothing store --  xchrom   Dec-25-06 07:56 AM   #10 
  - you raise really good points  spooky3   Dec-25-06 08:41 AM   #15 
  - You've got that right  ayeshahaqqiqa   Dec-25-06 08:57 AM   #22 
  - I worked as a bartender for a family business--a comedy club--for two years...  KansDem   Dec-26-06 04:05 PM   #48 
     - yeah -- i've ben a bartender as well.  xchrom   Dec-26-06 07:37 PM   #51 
  - How do you know if small businesses fail without raising the MW?  Gman   Dec-25-06 07:57 AM   #11 
  - go Google the small business admin and see what they define as Small.. it is in the million$, they  sam sarrha   Dec-25-06 08:41 AM   #16 
  - They're exempt from Min. Wage legislation. I worked for the NYMets for below....  MookieWilson   Dec-25-06 08:07 AM   #12 
  - Small businesses can fail for many reasons  ayeshahaqqiqa   Dec-25-06 08:36 AM   #14 
  - sounds like you are referring to 'Cottage Industry', SBA has another definition for small business  sam sarrha   Dec-25-06 08:58 AM   #23 
  - Most businesses are destined to fail, for reasons that can't be foreseen.  eallen   Dec-25-06 09:27 AM   #25 
  - aaccording to their side, NOBODY is actually getting paid min wage  librechik   Dec-25-06 08:56 AM   #21 
  - Most small businesses pay above min wage  zalinda   Dec-25-06 09:47 AM   #26 
  - it's been proven that raising minimum wage raises everybody up even  donsu   Dec-25-06 09:50 AM   #28 
  - You Know, I Hadn't Realized That  ribofunk   Dec-25-06 10:02 AM   #30 
  - I have never heard of min wage increases  Lucky Luciano   Dec-25-06 10:04 AM   #31 
  - most small business fails due to incompetent management or under funding nt  msongs   Dec-25-06 10:36 AM   #32 
  - if a business model does not support at least minimum wage income for its employees  leftofthedial   Dec-25-06 10:50 AM   #33 
  - The Grinch that Stole Christmas  Coaster City   Dec-25-06 01:00 PM   #36 
     - the unconscionable fact is  leftofthedial   Dec-25-06 05:35 PM   #41 
        - totally agree  NotGivingUp   Dec-26-06 02:21 AM   #45 
        - We need a Prez candidate with the balls to say exactly this  enough already   Dec-27-06 08:50 PM   #64 
        - No, it isn't, at least not in terms of the morality of the employer.  Donald Ian Rankin   Dec-29-06 07:28 AM   #80 
  - Wanna help small businesses? Three words  Kber   Dec-25-06 11:56 AM   #35 
  - bingo  leftofthedial   Dec-25-06 01:03 PM   #37 
  - Global economy is changing that attitude.  MGKrebs   Dec-25-06 01:21 PM   #38 
  - Amen  renie408   Dec-25-06 05:54 PM   #43 
  - I have been pondering it....  renie408   Dec-25-06 05:52 PM   #42 
  - I believe it's called a false dilemma...  Lone_Wolf   Dec-26-06 12:56 AM   #44 
  - We're basically at full employment, therefore I'm really not that concerned  Hippo_Tron   Dec-26-06 05:36 AM   #46 
  - We're at full employment? You really believe that?  Perragrande   Dec-28-06 11:59 PM   #74 
  - Small businesses fail all the time. Most of them do not survive.  robcon   Dec-26-06 08:16 AM   #47 
  - The minimum wage doesn't hurt business nearly as much...  SanCristobal   Dec-26-06 06:50 PM   #49 
  - did the dittomasters tell you that?  Skittles   Dec-27-06 03:08 AM   #53 
  - Yes, especially for CEO's  zalinda   Dec-27-06 09:54 AM   #54 
  - Of course I would say no to capped salaries.  SanCristobal   Dec-27-06 06:04 PM   #58 
     - How about removing the cap  ProudDad   Dec-27-06 06:41 PM   #59 
     - I'm not sure what you mean.  SanCristobal   Dec-28-06 01:09 AM   #65 
        - You do know that Horatio Alger was a fictional character, don't you?  greyhound1966   Dec-29-06 02:33 PM   #81 
     - Because in the meantime, while you're striving to get rich...  lumberjack_jeff   Dec-28-06 03:27 PM   #71 
  - That is a flat out proven LIE.  TankLV   Dec-27-06 07:18 PM   #62 
  - That is entirely untrue.  SanCristobal   Dec-28-06 10:20 PM   #72 
     - Argument by anecdote  lumberjack_jeff   Dec-28-06 11:39 PM   #73 
     - Thanks for the response,  SanCristobal   Dec-29-06 12:56 AM   #76 
        - "Realized it was true"  ieoeja   Dec-29-06 02:55 PM   #82 
     - No, what you claim are LIES and is NOT TRUE.  TankLV   Dec-29-06 12:28 AM   #75 
        - Read reply #73  SanCristobal   Dec-29-06 01:06 AM   #77 
  - So efficiency is..... bad. Is that right?  lumberjack_jeff   Dec-28-06 03:25 PM   #70 
  - Let's see the spreadsheet.  gulliver   Dec-26-06 07:08 PM   #50 
  - no mention of agriculture here, yet...  app_farmer_rb   Dec-27-06 10:42 AM   #55 
  - I would be willing to pay more for my food  ProudDad   Dec-27-06 06:44 PM   #60 
     - Right On: Local Ag for Living Landscapes & Wages!  app_farmer_rb   Dec-28-06 12:14 PM   #66 
  - Each time the minimum wage is raised, this argument is trotted out  Javaman   Dec-27-06 12:06 PM   #57 
  - Because that premise has been proven FALSE many times over.  TankLV   Dec-27-06 07:00 PM   #61 
  - Any small business owner paying under the table needs to jailed  enough already   Dec-27-06 08:40 PM   #63 
  - Because the premise is false. n/t  sfexpat2000   Dec-28-06 12:24 PM   #67 
  - The people at the bottom of the wage scale don't make the decisions  bobbolink   Dec-29-06 03:02 PM   #83 

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