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Thu Dec-21-06 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #77 |
| 79. You know, this sounds like it's a personal issue |
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that you have with ProSense. So I'm going to let the two of you work it out.
Good luck!
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| -Kerry does not rule out troop surge, but demands real diplomacy. |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-20-06 11:24 PM |
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I'm just not sure troops are the solution |
hijinx87 |
Dec-20-06 11:29 PM |
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Troops are not the solution. At best the can help fill a security vacuum temporarily. |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-20-06 11:33 PM |
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if it is indeed a civil war |
hijinx87 |
Dec-20-06 11:35 PM |
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It's not an all-out civil war yet. |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-20-06 11:37 PM |
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oh, sure it is |
hijinx87 |
Dec-20-06 11:42 PM |
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Kerry disagrees, but whether it meets the definition or not really isn't the issue. |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-20-06 11:44 PM |
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well, maybe kerry is just wrong. |
hijinx87 |
Dec-20-06 11:49 PM |
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Kerry seems to believe a poltical solution is still possible without full-scale civil war. |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-20-06 11:59 PM |
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obviously. |
hijinx87 |
Dec-21-06 12:01 AM |
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No he doesn't! |
ProSense |
Dec-21-06 10:09 AM |
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IMO troops needs to redeploy the hell out of Iraq a la Murtha's plan. |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-20-06 11:35 PM |
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Without going into the merits, Murtha's plan simply isn't going to happen. |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-20-06 11:40 PM |
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I believe what you say is the truth. |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-20-06 11:43 PM |
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that's the best idea I have heard in weeks. |
hijinx87 |
Dec-20-06 11:46 PM |
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*** |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-20-06 11:51 PM |
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LOL! |
hijinx87 |
Dec-20-06 11:59 PM |
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that is the horrifying fact of the matter |
hijinx87 |
Dec-20-06 11:44 PM |
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Do you have a dead limit on that "affect?" n/t |
countmyvote4real |
Dec-20-06 11:46 PM |
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You know I wasn't in favor of cutting the funding at first |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-21-06 02:48 PM |
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"We should not oppose a troop surge outright from the beginning" |
welshTerrier2 |
Dec-20-06 11:44 PM |
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some people here are arguing the semantics of |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-20-06 11:48 PM |
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more troops can't be the solution, because lack of troops isn't the problem. n/t |
hijinx87 |
Dec-20-06 11:52 PM |
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yahtzee |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-20-06 11:54 PM |
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Agreed, lack of troops might've been a problem 3 years ago |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-21-06 02:50 PM |
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two different issues? |
welshTerrier2 |
Dec-20-06 11:58 PM |
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Just saying "we lost the war" |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-21-06 12:04 AM |
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The Dems will LOSE in 2008 if they let this war continue. |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-21-06 12:05 AM |
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No matter what we do now, Junior isn't leaving Iraq anytime soon. |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-21-06 12:08 AM |
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cut off the funding!!!! |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-21-06 12:09 AM |
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Then the region falls into bloody chaos, and around comes November 08'.... |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-21-06 12:16 AM |
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too late -- it's already in bloody chaos |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-21-06 12:20 AM |
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But that's not our call anyway. |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-21-06 12:21 AM |
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the congressional dems can force his hand, though |
hijinx87 |
Dec-21-06 12:24 AM |
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And we enable the "Democrats lost the war" accusation. nt |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-21-06 12:26 AM |
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as has been pointed out repeatedly in this thread . . . |
hijinx87 |
Dec-21-06 09:13 AM |
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Fine, I'll take an election loss in '08 in exchange for getting out of Iraq |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-21-06 02:57 PM |
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I'm pontificating from my desk! |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-21-06 12:28 AM |
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I"m still pissed at Kerry and other about the IWR vote, too. |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-21-06 12:32 AM |
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I agree. |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-21-06 12:33 AM |
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We did the wrong thing with the IWR, and it hurt us in the long run |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-21-06 03:04 PM |
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It's not our war to "let continue!" nt |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-21-06 12:23 AM |
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Dems bought in with their 'yes' votes on the IWR |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-21-06 12:30 AM |
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Yes, they did. I wasn't any part of it. nt |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-21-06 12:36 AM |
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Kerry didn't say that, but he certainly implied it. |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-20-06 11:50 PM |
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If John Kerry came back and uttered these words |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-20-06 11:57 PM |
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Even if Gore ran? nt |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-21-06 12:01 AM |
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you're killing me, Clarkie1 |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-21-06 12:06 AM |
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"we need to listen to what they have to say" |
welshTerrier2 |
Dec-21-06 12:11 AM |
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And we leave tomorrow...and what does the Middle East look like in November 08'? |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-21-06 12:20 AM |
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that's really what this is all about, isn't it? politics ... |
welshTerrier2 |
Dec-21-06 12:30 AM |
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No, it's not all about domestic politics. I have larger concerns than that. |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-21-06 12:35 AM |
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negotiations |
welshTerrier2 |
Dec-21-06 12:50 AM |
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You are absolutely right that our dependence on foreign oil is what drives all this. |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-21-06 12:55 AM |
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I agree with you on this, Clarkie1 |
StoryTeller |
Dec-21-06 09:00 AM |
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You’re absolutely right. |
countmyvote4real |
Dec-21-06 12:08 AM |
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Amazing to find Colin Powell to the Left of Kerry on the troop surge |
IndianaGreen |
Dec-21-06 12:08 AM |
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And then they will say that we are putting partisanship before dialogue. |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-21-06 12:12 AM |
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Kerry made clear in BOTH interviews he's AGAINST troop surge - the excerpting implies |
blm |
Dec-21-06 08:13 AM |
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has Kerry ruled out a troop surge or ... |
welshTerrier2 |
Dec-21-06 08:20 AM |
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He said he's opposed to more troops. Specific transcript excerpts here.... |
blm |
Dec-21-06 08:28 AM |
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i just watched the NPR interview |
welshTerrier2 |
Dec-21-06 08:52 AM |
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He's just describing what will happen there - he said he's opposed to more troops. |
blm |
Dec-21-06 09:35 AM |
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He doesn't say he is for it under ANY circumstances |
karynnj |
Dec-21-06 03:11 PM |
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My understanding of that statement |
StoryTeller |
Dec-21-06 08:57 AM |
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Seems reasonable enough |
LittleClarkie |
Dec-21-06 12:01 AM |
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It's basically Clark's position in so many words as expressed in the NPR interview this week. nt |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-21-06 12:10 AM |
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Kerry supporters seem to be mostly avoiding this thread. |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-21-06 12:41 AM |
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I'm here! |
StoryTeller |
Dec-21-06 09:17 AM |
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I'm here! |
ProSense |
Dec-21-06 10:02 AM |
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Thanks for this info, ProSense! |
StoryTeller |
Dec-21-06 10:24 AM |
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Are you stating that in Clark stating "what" a surge would do, it equals him |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-21-06 10:53 AM |
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I don't think ProSense was stating anything of the sort. |
StoryTeller |
Dec-21-06 11:15 AM |
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Well maybe so....but I have followed Prosense's approach over time |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-21-06 11:58 AM |
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That's silly! |
ProSense |
Dec-21-06 12:23 PM |
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You didn't think it was "silly" when you were making up headlines |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-21-06 02:45 PM |
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How many ways can I say it: Clark is wrong about a timetable! n/t |
ProSense |
Dec-21-06 02:47 PM |
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For starters, maybe had you not attributed words not used by Clark, that would have been a better |
FrenchieCat |
Dec-21-06 03:03 PM |
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Clark: Timetables a bad idea |
ProSense |
Dec-21-06 03:17 PM |
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Also, don't |
ProSense |
Dec-21-06 02:51 PM |
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You know, this sounds like it's a personal issue |
StoryTeller |
Dec-21-06 01:47 PM |
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The problem always comes down to the same thing - Kerry and Clark give FULL ANSWERS and |
blm |
Dec-21-06 11:34 AM |
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As for me |
sandnsea |
Dec-21-06 11:46 AM |
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It is becoming more and more obvious that Iraq, an artificial creature, is having its bindings |
nealmhughes |
Dec-21-06 01:11 AM |
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Thank you for this excellent historical summary. |
StoryTeller |
Dec-21-06 09:29 AM |
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Kerry made an important distinction |
rollopollo |
Dec-21-06 01:57 AM |
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Kerry is for a timetable for withdrawal of American troops |
beachmom |
Dec-21-06 08:00 AM |
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Your headline is misleading, at best. |
TayTay |
Dec-21-06 08:10 AM |
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Same train of thought he put forth in his long speech before voting FOR the IWR |
Roland99 |
Dec-21-06 08:25 AM |
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I see nothing wrong with Sen. Kerry's approach. |
wisteria |
Dec-21-06 08:34 AM |
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Putting in even TEN more won't do shit, Kerry. C'mon, you KNOW BETTER. |
Zhade |
Dec-21-06 02:46 PM |
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Kerry is NOT saying a smaller number would work |
karynnj |
Dec-21-06 02:59 PM |
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No, the media is, and I fell for it. |
Zhade |
Dec-21-06 04:04 PM |
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I'm sorry then - the personal attack was against rules |
karynnj |
Dec-21-06 04:19 PM |
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No worries, I understand the frustration. |
Zhade |
Dec-21-06 06:00 PM |
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Reality-check kick. nt |
Clarkie1 |
Dec-22-06 02:30 AM |
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