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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 11:58 AM
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77. Well maybe so....but I have followed Prosense's approach over time
and she is not one who would hesitate in perverting someone else's words if it will help out John Kerry. Prosense may have thought that it was a good idea at the time, but the only thing it did was to establish that prosense is not above "creating out of context distortions" about other's views if John Kerry might benefit indirectly or directly, whichever is most appropriate at the time

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  -Kerry does not rule out troop surge, but demands real diplomacy. Clarkie1  Dec-20-06 11:24 PM   #0 
  - I'm just not sure troops are the solution  hijinx87   Dec-20-06 11:29 PM   #1 
  - Troops are not the solution. At best the can help fill a security vacuum temporarily.  Clarkie1   Dec-20-06 11:33 PM   #2 
     - if it is indeed a civil war  hijinx87   Dec-20-06 11:35 PM   #3 
        - It's not an all-out civil war yet.  Clarkie1   Dec-20-06 11:37 PM   #5 
           - oh, sure it is  hijinx87   Dec-20-06 11:42 PM   #7 
              - Kerry disagrees, but whether it meets the definition or not really isn't the issue.  Clarkie1   Dec-20-06 11:44 PM   #11 
                 - well, maybe kerry is just wrong.  hijinx87   Dec-20-06 11:49 PM   #15 
                 - Kerry seems to believe a poltical solution is still possible without full-scale civil war.  Clarkie1   Dec-20-06 11:59 PM   #22 
                    - obviously.  hijinx87   Dec-21-06 12:01 AM   #26 
                 - No he doesn't!  ProSense   Dec-21-06 10:09 AM   #71 
  - IMO troops needs to redeploy the hell out of Iraq a la Murtha's plan.  AtomicKitten   Dec-20-06 11:35 PM   #4 
  - Without going into the merits, Murtha's plan simply isn't going to happen.  Clarkie1   Dec-20-06 11:40 PM   #6 
     - I believe what you say is the truth.  AtomicKitten   Dec-20-06 11:43 PM   #8 
     - that's the best idea I have heard in weeks.  hijinx87   Dec-20-06 11:46 PM   #12 
        - ***  AtomicKitten   Dec-20-06 11:51 PM   #17 
           - LOL!  hijinx87   Dec-20-06 11:59 PM   #23 
     - that is the horrifying fact of the matter  hijinx87   Dec-20-06 11:44 PM   #10 
     - Do you have a dead limit on that "affect?" n/t  countmyvote4real   Dec-20-06 11:46 PM   #13 
     - You know I wasn't in favor of cutting the funding at first  Hippo_Tron   Dec-21-06 02:48 PM   #83 
  - "We should not oppose a troop surge outright from the beginning"  welshTerrier2   Dec-20-06 11:44 PM   #9 
  - some people here are arguing the semantics of  AtomicKitten   Dec-20-06 11:48 PM   #14 
  - more troops can't be the solution, because lack of troops isn't the problem. n/t  hijinx87   Dec-20-06 11:52 PM   #18 
  - yahtzee  AtomicKitten   Dec-20-06 11:54 PM   #19 
  - Agreed, lack of troops might've been a problem 3 years ago  Hippo_Tron   Dec-21-06 02:50 PM   #84 
  - two different issues?  welshTerrier2   Dec-20-06 11:58 PM   #21 
     - Just saying "we lost the war"  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:04 AM   #27 
     - The Dems will LOSE in 2008 if they let this war continue.  AtomicKitten   Dec-21-06 12:05 AM   #28 
        - No matter what we do now, Junior isn't leaving Iraq anytime soon.  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:08 AM   #31 
        - cut off the funding!!!!  AtomicKitten   Dec-21-06 12:09 AM   #33 
           - Then the region falls into bloody chaos, and around comes November 08'....  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:16 AM   #37 
              - too late -- it's already in bloody chaos  AtomicKitten   Dec-21-06 12:20 AM   #39 
                 - But that's not our call anyway.  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:21 AM   #40 
                    - the congressional dems can force his hand, though  hijinx87   Dec-21-06 12:24 AM   #42 
                    - And we enable the "Democrats lost the war" accusation. nt  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:26 AM   #43 
                       - as has been pointed out repeatedly in this thread . . .  hijinx87   Dec-21-06 09:13 AM   #66 
                       - Fine, I'll take an election loss in '08 in exchange for getting out of Iraq  Hippo_Tron   Dec-21-06 02:57 PM   #86 
                    - I'm pontificating from my desk!  AtomicKitten   Dec-21-06 12:28 AM   #44 
                       - I"m still pissed at Kerry and other about the IWR vote, too.  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:32 AM   #47 
                       - I agree.  AtomicKitten   Dec-21-06 12:33 AM   #48 
                       - We did the wrong thing with the IWR, and it hurt us in the long run  Hippo_Tron   Dec-21-06 03:04 PM   #89 
        - It's not our war to "let continue!" nt  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:23 AM   #41 
           - Dems bought in with their 'yes' votes on the IWR  AtomicKitten   Dec-21-06 12:30 AM   #46 
              - Yes, they did. I wasn't any part of it. nt  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:36 AM   #50 
  - Kerry didn't say that, but he certainly implied it.  Clarkie1   Dec-20-06 11:50 PM   #16 
  - If John Kerry came back and uttered these words  AtomicKitten   Dec-20-06 11:57 PM   #20 
  - Even if Gore ran? nt  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:01 AM   #24 
     - you're killing me, Clarkie1  AtomicKitten   Dec-21-06 12:06 AM   #29 
  - "we need to listen to what they have to say"  welshTerrier2   Dec-21-06 12:11 AM   #35 
  - And we leave tomorrow...and what does the Middle East look like in November 08'?  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:20 AM   #38 
     - that's really what this is all about, isn't it? politics ...  welshTerrier2   Dec-21-06 12:30 AM   #45 
        - No, it's not all about domestic politics. I have larger concerns than that.  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:35 AM   #49 
           - negotiations  welshTerrier2   Dec-21-06 12:50 AM   #52 
              - You are absolutely right that our dependence on foreign oil is what drives all this.  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:55 AM   #53 
  - I agree with you on this, Clarkie1  StoryTeller   Dec-21-06 09:00 AM   #65 
  - Youre absolutely right.  countmyvote4real   Dec-21-06 12:08 AM   #30 
  - Amazing to find Colin Powell to the Left of Kerry on the troop surge  IndianaGreen   Dec-21-06 12:08 AM   #32 
  - And then they will say that we are putting partisanship before dialogue.  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:12 AM   #36 
  - Kerry made clear in BOTH interviews he's AGAINST troop surge - the excerpting implies  blm   Dec-21-06 08:13 AM   #58 
  - has Kerry ruled out a troop surge or ...  welshTerrier2   Dec-21-06 08:20 AM   #59 
     - He said he's opposed to more troops. Specific transcript excerpts here....  blm   Dec-21-06 08:28 AM   #61 
        - i just watched the NPR interview  welshTerrier2   Dec-21-06 08:52 AM   #63 
           - He's just describing what will happen there - he said he's opposed to more troops.  blm   Dec-21-06 09:35 AM   #69 
           - He doesn't say he is for it under ANY circumstances  karynnj   Dec-21-06 03:11 PM   #90 
  - My understanding of that statement  StoryTeller   Dec-21-06 08:57 AM   #64 
  - Seems reasonable enough  LittleClarkie   Dec-21-06 12:01 AM   #25 
  - It's basically Clark's position in so many words as expressed in the NPR interview this week. nt  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:10 AM   #34 
  - Kerry supporters seem to be mostly avoiding this thread.  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:41 AM   #51 
  - I'm here!  StoryTeller   Dec-21-06 09:17 AM   #67 
  - I'm here!  ProSense   Dec-21-06 10:02 AM   #70 
  - Thanks for this info, ProSense!  StoryTeller   Dec-21-06 10:24 AM   #72 
  - Are you stating that in Clark stating "what" a surge would do, it equals him  FrenchieCat   Dec-21-06 10:53 AM   #73 
     - I don't think ProSense was stating anything of the sort.  StoryTeller   Dec-21-06 11:15 AM   #74 
     - Well maybe so....but I have followed Prosense's approach over time  FrenchieCat   Dec-21-06 11:58 AM   #77 
        - That's silly!  ProSense   Dec-21-06 12:23 PM   #78 
        - You didn't think it was "silly" when you were making up headlines  FrenchieCat   Dec-21-06 02:45 PM   #80 
           - How many ways can I say it: Clark is wrong about a timetable! n/t  ProSense   Dec-21-06 02:47 PM   #82 
           - For starters, maybe had you not attributed words not used by Clark, that would have been a better  FrenchieCat   Dec-21-06 03:03 PM   #88 
              - Clark: Timetables a bad idea  ProSense   Dec-21-06 03:17 PM   #91 
           - Also, don't  ProSense   Dec-21-06 02:51 PM   #85 
        - You know, this sounds like it's a personal issue  StoryTeller   Dec-21-06 01:47 PM   #79 
     - The problem always comes down to the same thing - Kerry and Clark give FULL ANSWERS and  blm   Dec-21-06 11:34 AM   #75 
  - As for me  sandnsea   Dec-21-06 11:46 AM   #76 
  - It is becoming more and more obvious that Iraq, an artificial creature, is having its bindings  nealmhughes   Dec-21-06 01:11 AM   #54 
  - Thank you for this excellent historical summary.  StoryTeller   Dec-21-06 09:29 AM   #68 
  - Kerry made an important distinction  rollopollo   Dec-21-06 01:57 AM   #55 
  - Kerry is for a timetable for withdrawal of American troops  beachmom   Dec-21-06 08:00 AM   #56 
  - Your headline is misleading, at best.  TayTay   Dec-21-06 08:10 AM   #57 
  - Same train of thought he put forth in his long speech before voting FOR the IWR  Roland99   Dec-21-06 08:25 AM   #60 
  - I see nothing wrong with Sen. Kerry's approach.  wisteria   Dec-21-06 08:34 AM   #62 
  - Putting in even TEN more won't do shit, Kerry. C'mon, you KNOW BETTER.  Zhade   Dec-21-06 02:46 PM   #81 
  - Kerry is NOT saying a smaller number would work  karynnj   Dec-21-06 02:59 PM   #87 
     - No, the media is, and I fell for it.  Zhade   Dec-21-06 04:04 PM   #92 
        - I'm sorry then - the personal attack was against rules  karynnj   Dec-21-06 04:19 PM   #93 
           - No worries, I understand the frustration.  Zhade   Dec-21-06 06:00 PM   #94 
  - Reality-check kick. nt  Clarkie1   Dec-22-06 02:30 AM   #95 
 

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