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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-21-06 12:41 AM
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51. Kerry supporters seem to be mostly avoiding this thread.
I wonder if it makes them uncomfortable in some way.

Well, back to my eggnog....
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  -Kerry does not rule out troop surge, but demands real diplomacy. Clarkie1  Dec-20-06 11:24 PM   #0 
  - I'm just not sure troops are the solution  hijinx87   Dec-20-06 11:29 PM   #1 
  - Troops are not the solution. At best the can help fill a security vacuum temporarily.  Clarkie1   Dec-20-06 11:33 PM   #2 
     - if it is indeed a civil war  hijinx87   Dec-20-06 11:35 PM   #3 
        - It's not an all-out civil war yet.  Clarkie1   Dec-20-06 11:37 PM   #5 
           - oh, sure it is  hijinx87   Dec-20-06 11:42 PM   #7 
              - Kerry disagrees, but whether it meets the definition or not really isn't the issue.  Clarkie1   Dec-20-06 11:44 PM   #11 
                 - well, maybe kerry is just wrong.  hijinx87   Dec-20-06 11:49 PM   #15 
                 - Kerry seems to believe a poltical solution is still possible without full-scale civil war.  Clarkie1   Dec-20-06 11:59 PM   #22 
                    - obviously.  hijinx87   Dec-21-06 12:01 AM   #26 
                 - No he doesn't!  ProSense   Dec-21-06 10:09 AM   #71 
  - IMO troops needs to redeploy the hell out of Iraq a la Murtha's plan.  AtomicKitten   Dec-20-06 11:35 PM   #4 
  - Without going into the merits, Murtha's plan simply isn't going to happen.  Clarkie1   Dec-20-06 11:40 PM   #6 
     - I believe what you say is the truth.  AtomicKitten   Dec-20-06 11:43 PM   #8 
     - that's the best idea I have heard in weeks.  hijinx87   Dec-20-06 11:46 PM   #12 
        - ***  AtomicKitten   Dec-20-06 11:51 PM   #17 
           - LOL!  hijinx87   Dec-20-06 11:59 PM   #23 
     - that is the horrifying fact of the matter  hijinx87   Dec-20-06 11:44 PM   #10 
     - Do you have a dead limit on that "affect?" n/t  countmyvote4real   Dec-20-06 11:46 PM   #13 
     - You know I wasn't in favor of cutting the funding at first  Hippo_Tron   Dec-21-06 02:48 PM   #83 
  - "We should not oppose a troop surge outright from the beginning"  welshTerrier2   Dec-20-06 11:44 PM   #9 
  - some people here are arguing the semantics of  AtomicKitten   Dec-20-06 11:48 PM   #14 
  - more troops can't be the solution, because lack of troops isn't the problem. n/t  hijinx87   Dec-20-06 11:52 PM   #18 
  - yahtzee  AtomicKitten   Dec-20-06 11:54 PM   #19 
  - Agreed, lack of troops might've been a problem 3 years ago  Hippo_Tron   Dec-21-06 02:50 PM   #84 
  - two different issues?  welshTerrier2   Dec-20-06 11:58 PM   #21 
     - Just saying "we lost the war"  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:04 AM   #27 
     - The Dems will LOSE in 2008 if they let this war continue.  AtomicKitten   Dec-21-06 12:05 AM   #28 
        - No matter what we do now, Junior isn't leaving Iraq anytime soon.  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:08 AM   #31 
        - cut off the funding!!!!  AtomicKitten   Dec-21-06 12:09 AM   #33 
           - Then the region falls into bloody chaos, and around comes November 08'....  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:16 AM   #37 
              - too late -- it's already in bloody chaos  AtomicKitten   Dec-21-06 12:20 AM   #39 
                 - But that's not our call anyway.  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:21 AM   #40 
                    - the congressional dems can force his hand, though  hijinx87   Dec-21-06 12:24 AM   #42 
                    - And we enable the "Democrats lost the war" accusation. nt  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:26 AM   #43 
                       - as has been pointed out repeatedly in this thread . . .  hijinx87   Dec-21-06 09:13 AM   #66 
                       - Fine, I'll take an election loss in '08 in exchange for getting out of Iraq  Hippo_Tron   Dec-21-06 02:57 PM   #86 
                    - I'm pontificating from my desk!  AtomicKitten   Dec-21-06 12:28 AM   #44 
                       - I"m still pissed at Kerry and other about the IWR vote, too.  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:32 AM   #47 
                       - I agree.  AtomicKitten   Dec-21-06 12:33 AM   #48 
                       - We did the wrong thing with the IWR, and it hurt us in the long run  Hippo_Tron   Dec-21-06 03:04 PM   #89 
        - It's not our war to "let continue!" nt  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:23 AM   #41 
           - Dems bought in with their 'yes' votes on the IWR  AtomicKitten   Dec-21-06 12:30 AM   #46 
              - Yes, they did. I wasn't any part of it. nt  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:36 AM   #50 
  - Kerry didn't say that, but he certainly implied it.  Clarkie1   Dec-20-06 11:50 PM   #16 
  - If John Kerry came back and uttered these words  AtomicKitten   Dec-20-06 11:57 PM   #20 
  - Even if Gore ran? nt  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:01 AM   #24 
     - you're killing me, Clarkie1  AtomicKitten   Dec-21-06 12:06 AM   #29 
  - "we need to listen to what they have to say"  welshTerrier2   Dec-21-06 12:11 AM   #35 
  - And we leave tomorrow...and what does the Middle East look like in November 08'?  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:20 AM   #38 
     - that's really what this is all about, isn't it? politics ...  welshTerrier2   Dec-21-06 12:30 AM   #45 
        - No, it's not all about domestic politics. I have larger concerns than that.  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:35 AM   #49 
           - negotiations  welshTerrier2   Dec-21-06 12:50 AM   #52 
              - You are absolutely right that our dependence on foreign oil is what drives all this.  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:55 AM   #53 
  - I agree with you on this, Clarkie1  StoryTeller   Dec-21-06 09:00 AM   #65 
  - Youre absolutely right.  countmyvote4real   Dec-21-06 12:08 AM   #30 
  - Amazing to find Colin Powell to the Left of Kerry on the troop surge  IndianaGreen   Dec-21-06 12:08 AM   #32 
  - And then they will say that we are putting partisanship before dialogue.  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:12 AM   #36 
  - Kerry made clear in BOTH interviews he's AGAINST troop surge - the excerpting implies  blm   Dec-21-06 08:13 AM   #58 
  - has Kerry ruled out a troop surge or ...  welshTerrier2   Dec-21-06 08:20 AM   #59 
     - He said he's opposed to more troops. Specific transcript excerpts here....  blm   Dec-21-06 08:28 AM   #61 
        - i just watched the NPR interview  welshTerrier2   Dec-21-06 08:52 AM   #63 
           - He's just describing what will happen there - he said he's opposed to more troops.  blm   Dec-21-06 09:35 AM   #69 
           - He doesn't say he is for it under ANY circumstances  karynnj   Dec-21-06 03:11 PM   #90 
  - My understanding of that statement  StoryTeller   Dec-21-06 08:57 AM   #64 
  - Seems reasonable enough  LittleClarkie   Dec-21-06 12:01 AM   #25 
  - It's basically Clark's position in so many words as expressed in the NPR interview this week. nt  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:10 AM   #34 
  - Kerry supporters seem to be mostly avoiding this thread.  Clarkie1   Dec-21-06 12:41 AM   #51 
  - I'm here!  StoryTeller   Dec-21-06 09:17 AM   #67 
  - I'm here!  ProSense   Dec-21-06 10:02 AM   #70 
  - Thanks for this info, ProSense!  StoryTeller   Dec-21-06 10:24 AM   #72 
  - Are you stating that in Clark stating "what" a surge would do, it equals him  FrenchieCat   Dec-21-06 10:53 AM   #73 
     - I don't think ProSense was stating anything of the sort.  StoryTeller   Dec-21-06 11:15 AM   #74 
     - Well maybe so....but I have followed Prosense's approach over time  FrenchieCat   Dec-21-06 11:58 AM   #77 
        - That's silly!  ProSense   Dec-21-06 12:23 PM   #78 
        - You didn't think it was "silly" when you were making up headlines  FrenchieCat   Dec-21-06 02:45 PM   #80 
           - How many ways can I say it: Clark is wrong about a timetable! n/t  ProSense   Dec-21-06 02:47 PM   #82 
           - For starters, maybe had you not attributed words not used by Clark, that would have been a better  FrenchieCat   Dec-21-06 03:03 PM   #88 
              - Clark: Timetables a bad idea  ProSense   Dec-21-06 03:17 PM   #91 
           - Also, don't  ProSense   Dec-21-06 02:51 PM   #85 
        - You know, this sounds like it's a personal issue  StoryTeller   Dec-21-06 01:47 PM   #79 
     - The problem always comes down to the same thing - Kerry and Clark give FULL ANSWERS and  blm   Dec-21-06 11:34 AM   #75 
  - As for me  sandnsea   Dec-21-06 11:46 AM   #76 
  - It is becoming more and more obvious that Iraq, an artificial creature, is having its bindings  nealmhughes   Dec-21-06 01:11 AM   #54 
  - Thank you for this excellent historical summary.  StoryTeller   Dec-21-06 09:29 AM   #68 
  - Kerry made an important distinction  rollopollo   Dec-21-06 01:57 AM   #55 
  - Kerry is for a timetable for withdrawal of American troops  beachmom   Dec-21-06 08:00 AM   #56 
  - Your headline is misleading, at best.  TayTay   Dec-21-06 08:10 AM   #57 
  - Same train of thought he put forth in his long speech before voting FOR the IWR  Roland99   Dec-21-06 08:25 AM   #60 
  - I see nothing wrong with Sen. Kerry's approach.  wisteria   Dec-21-06 08:34 AM   #62 
  - Putting in even TEN more won't do shit, Kerry. C'mon, you KNOW BETTER.  Zhade   Dec-21-06 02:46 PM   #81 
  - Kerry is NOT saying a smaller number would work  karynnj   Dec-21-06 02:59 PM   #87 
     - No, the media is, and I fell for it.  Zhade   Dec-21-06 04:04 PM   #92 
        - I'm sorry then - the personal attack was against rules  karynnj   Dec-21-06 04:19 PM   #93 
           - No worries, I understand the frustration.  Zhade   Dec-21-06 06:00 PM   #94 
  - Reality-check kick. nt  Clarkie1   Dec-22-06 02:30 AM   #95 

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