Reply #16: I submit that "serious" people see that

[PreacherCasey]

solving problems violently is utterly futile in the long run, which is what we are talking about.

This thread is about human beings waking up and realizing that their attitudes and behaviors will lead to their demise, whether it be through global warming or war. It all starts with the individual. There can be no lasting peace in the world as long as individuals can not overcome their propensity toward violence. Violence only begets more violence. While you may feel your violence is "justified", so does the other guy. It is stupid. Similarly, there can be no real action toward sustainability as long as individuals put the want of luxury over the health of the planet and future generations.