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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 02:50 PM
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50. do you mean the additional cuts for low income people?
Obviously I think those bring some much needed relief to people who are feeling the worst effects of Bush's recession. But I don't think there is any getting around the fact that Bush's folly is going to be very costly for everyone in this country. I know that kind of "eat your peas" message is not very popular, but I don't see how we are going to avoid raising middle class taxes (and upper class taxes even more).
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  -A question for people who oppose Howard Dean: ProfessorPlum  Dec-18-03 01:30 PM   #0 
  - Why only Howard Dean?  Democrats unite   Dec-18-03 01:32 PM   #1 
  - I'm interested in the fears that people who are  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 01:35 PM   #2 
  - I don't oppose Howard Dean.  eileen_d   Dec-18-03 01:35 PM   #3 
  - You don't oppose Howard Dean?  Hep   Dec-19-03 09:39 AM   #113 
  - Uh....  onehandle   Dec-18-03 01:36 PM   #4 
  - that's how I feel about many in the field  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 01:37 PM   #7 
  - Mostly  mrgorth   Dec-18-03 01:36 PM   #5 
  - In other words, that Bush would beat him in the general?  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 01:38 PM   #9 
     - No, the first thing.  mrgorth   Dec-18-03 01:58 PM   # 
        - Understood  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 02:01 PM   #28 
  - He would screw things up so badly he won't get re-elected  NewYorkerfromMass   Dec-18-03 01:37 PM   #6 
  - It's taken Bush 3 years  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 01:39 PM   #11 
  - Screw which things up? How?  Hep   Dec-19-03 09:40 AM   #114 
     - Probably will make a lot of enemies in congress  NewYorkerfromMass   Dec-19-03 02:31 PM   #119 
  - My biggest fears are as follows  nothingshocksmeanymore   Dec-18-03 01:38 PM   #8 
  - Fair enough  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 01:47 PM   #18 
     - Thanks for your reply. If all candidate threads were conducted like this  nothingshocksmeanymore   Dec-18-03 01:51 PM   #22 
  - The worse prospect of a Dean candidacy  Frenchie4Clark   Dec-18-03 01:38 PM   #10 
  - As a thought experiment  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 01:42 PM   #12 
  - I try not to  Frenchie4Clark   Dec-18-03 01:43 PM   #13 
     - OK, thanks then  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 01:48 PM   #19 
  - Thank's Frenchie....  deminflorida   Dec-18-03 02:21 PM   #37 
  - The same pundits predicted Clinton could'nt win  shivaji   Dec-18-03 06:39 PM   #83 
     - That was uncalled for  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 10:10 PM   #92 
  - I don't think that's the right set of questions  dpbrown   Dec-18-03 01:43 PM   #14 
  - but a majority of Americans will not vote for those "radical" points  ima_sinnic   Dec-18-03 01:51 PM   #23 
  - Easy there  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 01:58 PM   #27 
  - I like Kucinich and his positions.  damnraddem   Dec-18-03 02:12 PM   #32 
  - That is exactly how I see it too.  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 02:23 PM   #38 
  - Wrong.  no name no slogan   Dec-18-03 02:27 PM   #39 
  - Application of the 40/40/20 rule shows Kucinich winning  dpbrown   Dec-18-03 02:52 PM   #52 
     - Let's not let this thread get pulled off topic  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 03:00 PM   #54 
        - Agreed  dpbrown   Dec-18-03 03:15 PM   #62 
  - I understand and encourage  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 01:55 PM   #24 
  - I've got a couple  no name no slogan   Dec-18-03 03:10 PM   #59 
     - Very good list  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 03:29 PM   #66 
  - dpbrown's got it right n/t  TolstoyAndy   Dec-18-03 02:04 PM   #30 
  - PRESIDENT DEAN !  seventhson   Dec-18-03 01:45 PM   #15 
  - That he would  GreenPartyVoter   Dec-18-03 01:46 PM   #16 
  - let me count the reasons  corporatewhore   Dec-18-03 01:46 PM   #17 
  - not to take on all of these at once, but  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 01:50 PM   #21 
     - what is he hiding ?  corporatewhore   Dec-18-03 01:57 PM   #26 
  - I am supporting Clark but,  mindfulNJ   Dec-18-03 01:50 PM   #20 
  - We're at the same place then  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 01:56 PM   #25 
  - I don't oppose Dean  redqueen   Dec-18-03 02:03 PM   #29 
  - I agree with you on trade  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 02:15 PM   #34 
     - Thanks to you also for this great thread  redqueen   Dec-18-03 02:31 PM   #42 
  - Dean assaults civil liberties  TolstoyAndy   Dec-18-03 02:08 PM   #31 
  - I find this a non-issue  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 02:17 PM   #35 
  - Oh yes, that's another concern  redqueen   Dec-18-03 02:38 PM   #43 
  - Howard Dean Will Raise Middle Class Taxes on Americans....  deminflorida   Dec-18-03 02:15 PM   #33 
  - My view is that middle class Americans will have their  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 02:19 PM   #36 
  - Small point of contention  redqueen   Dec-18-03 02:42 PM   #46 
     - do you mean the additional cuts for low income people?  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 02:50 PM   #50 
     - Cuts for low income people, for married people  redqueen   Dec-18-03 03:44 PM   #72 
        - I think his tax position is  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 10:06 PM   #90 
     - The scraps the Senate Dems whored themselves out to Bush for?  stickdog   Dec-18-03 03:19 PM   #65 
        - Ok, ok - easy now.  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 03:33 PM   #68 
  - Hey deminflorida  frustrated_lefty   Dec-18-03 06:16 PM   #81 
  - no single payer health care  goodhue   Dec-18-03 02:29 PM   #40 
  - Some good points  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 02:45 PM   #47 
  - Hypothetical?  mjv135   Dec-18-03 02:30 PM   #41 
  - don't swallow that rightard koolaid  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 02:39 PM   #44 
     - fairy tale  mjv135   Dec-18-03 02:42 PM   #45 
     - Ok, thanks for your very helpful input  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 02:46 PM   #48 
     - And  mjv135   Dec-18-03 02:50 PM   #49 
        - Again, thanks for the helpful input  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 02:51 PM   #51 
        - Sigh  mjv135   Dec-18-03 03:15 PM   #63 
           - Your position is that we have already lost the election  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 03:32 PM   #67 
           - edit  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 03:36 PM   #70 
           - My position  mjv135   Dec-18-03 03:44 PM   #73 
              - Bush's numbers are in the toilet  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 10:00 PM   #89 
                 - I'd be happy to  mjv135   Dec-18-03 10:17 PM   #96 
                    - That's a real knee-slapper  ProfessorPlum   Dec-19-03 06:27 AM   #107 
           - mjv, have you read the "new" Common Sense?  PassingFair   Dec-18-03 11:20 PM   #97 
        - Well, actually  kayob1   Dec-18-03 03:04 PM   #57 
           - Yes. I would also love to see Bush bring up "draft dodging"  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 03:08 PM   #58 
  - I don't so much oppose Dean  Droopy   Dec-18-03 02:57 PM   #53 
  - I'm actually pretty thrilled to find that sentiment so widespread  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 03:01 PM   #55 
     - I feel the same as droopy does plum  JohnKleeb   Dec-18-03 03:03 PM   #56 
     - Here, here Professor  Droopy   Dec-18-03 03:13 PM   #60 
  - He's Bush Lite!  Mairead   Dec-18-03 03:13 PM   #61 
  - specific issues, please.  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 03:15 PM   #64 
     - Here's 4 big ones just to start  Mairead   Dec-19-03 07:43 AM   #108 
        - All very important issues  ProfessorPlum   Dec-19-03 08:08 AM   #109 
           - "getting elected is the first step towards implementing these ideas"  Mairead   Dec-19-03 10:00 AM   #115 
              - Certainly not the current status quo  ProfessorPlum   Dec-19-03 10:38 AM   #118 
  - If Dean were president I'd be ecstatic  TexasPatriot   Dec-18-03 03:36 PM   #69 
  - Gotta sign off for now  ProfessorPlum   Dec-18-03 03:38 PM   #71 
  - I support Kucinich; I do not oppose Dean;  Vitruvius   Dec-18-03 04:01 PM   #74 
  - Dean wont beat Bush  jpgpenn   Dec-18-03 04:33 PM   #75 
  - Yes he will..  mzmolly   Dec-18-03 04:36 PM   #76 
  - Great thread! I'll give it a whirl.  PHDiva   Dec-18-03 04:54 PM   #77 
  - Hey PHDiva  frustrated_lefty   Dec-18-03 06:04 PM   #80 
     - Happy to ...  PHDiva   Dec-18-03 06:26 PM   #82 
        - The budget for a few military toilets and a dozen or so wrenches  frustrated_lefty   Dec-18-03 06:40 PM   #84 
  - I'm not opposed to Dean  crunchyfrog   Dec-18-03 05:22 PM   #78 
  - thanks for your reply  ProfessorPlum   Dec-19-03 05:57 AM   #99 
  - I'll accept your hypothetical -  paulk   Dec-18-03 05:44 PM   #79 
  - Let's see  sandnsea   Dec-18-03 06:45 PM   #85 
  - Yucca Mt annoyes me too,  frustrated_lefty   Dec-18-03 07:47 PM   #86 
     - Well let's compare with Kerry  sandnsea   Dec-18-03 08:06 PM   #88 
        - Everyone has got to admit that it's pretty damned difficult  molly   Dec-18-03 10:11 PM   #93 
        - On paper,  ProfessorPlum   Dec-19-03 06:01 AM   #100 
        - You're discouniting critisisms as part of an amber alert? Do you really  frustrated_lefty   Dec-18-03 10:12 PM   #94 
  - Okay, I'll try.  LWolf   Dec-18-03 07:54 PM   #87 
  - I'm really too tired to be answering this, but  molly   Dec-18-03 10:09 PM   #91 
  - two things mainly  arewethereyet   Dec-18-03 10:14 PM   #95 
  - agree - his ability to work with Congress may be an issue  ProfessorPlum   Dec-19-03 06:23 AM   #104 
  - Biggest fears:- further entrenchment of power of wall st, cloaked by  AP   Dec-18-03 11:28 PM   #98 
  - These seem a mixed bag to me  ProfessorPlum   Dec-19-03 06:18 AM   #102 
  - Well,  Byronic   Dec-19-03 06:15 AM   #101 
  - Perfectly reasonable n/t  ProfessorPlum   Dec-19-03 06:25 AM   #106 
  - I can't accept the premise  Jim4Wes   Dec-19-03 06:22 AM   #103 
  - Not really looking for a comparison with others here  ProfessorPlum   Dec-19-03 06:25 AM   #105 
     - Sorry  Jim4Wes   Dec-19-03 08:18 AM   #110 
        - So basically, he is a politician  ProfessorPlum   Dec-19-03 08:57 AM   #111 
  - This is an utterly disingenuous question  John_H   Dec-19-03 09:35 AM   #112 
  - It is a hypothetical question  ProfessorPlum   Dec-19-03 10:13 AM   #117 
  - He's a centrist  mitchum   Dec-19-03 10:01 AM   #116 
 

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