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Reply #22: Penn, Schoen & Berland, Mark Penn a pollster for Hillary. Just in Venezuela. [View All]

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Dec-11-06 09:19 PM
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22. Penn, Schoen & Berland, Mark Penn a pollster for Hillary. Just in Venezuela.Updated at 6:01 PM
Edited on Mon Dec-11-06 09:23 PM by madfloridian
Boy, I sure have been naive. I found this while searching Our Brand is Crisis, the movie about Greenberg Carville, Shrum's group working around the world.

Trailer:
Greenberg,Carville, Shrum...Our Brand is Crisis Trailer..Bolivia

Now about Mark Penn and company, said by this article to be a similar type thing like that mentioned in Our Brand is Crisis.

http://upsidedownworld.org/main/content/view/503/1 /

"In 1999, when the U.S.-led bombing campaign in Serbia didn't get rid of Slobodan Milosovic, Washington changed its strategy. U.S. intelligence organized a $77 million effort to oust Milosovic through the ballot box. They sent in CIA front organizations funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), and the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID). Instead of guns and bombs, these U.S. forces were armed with fax machines, computers, and perhaps most importantly, sophisticated surveys done by the Washington-based polling firm Penn, Schoen & Berland.(1) Their mission: to take down Milosovic by strengthening opposition groups."

In his article, "Coup D'etat in Disguise," Jonathan Mowat described how these "polls" work:

"Penn, Schoen and Berland (PSB) has played a pioneering role in the use of polling operations, especially "exit polls," in facilitating coups. Its primary mission is to shape the perception that the group installed into power in a targeted country has broad popular support...the deployment of polling agencies' "exit polls" broadcast on international television...give the false impression of massive vote-fraud by the ruling party, to put targeted states on the defensive."(4)

The U.S. is already firmly entrenched in Venezuela with "democracy promotion" organizations such as the NED, USAID, and yes, once again, Penn, Schoen & Berland. These actors have teamed up with major opposition groups to map out and execute their strategy. The objective will be to create a situation like in Ukraine in 2004: huge protests against the elections and against the government in order to cause chaos and instability. Basically, it comes in three parts."

Last week, Mr. Schoen, of Penn, Schoen & Berland, released the findings of his latest survey on the Venezuelan evening news. As expected, Penn's survey showed that Chavez's opposition, Manuel Rosales, was nearly tied in the polls with Chavez. Chavez, it showed, had only 48% support, and his opponent Manuel Rosales had gained significantly up to 42%. This poll is now being reported across all the major Venezuelan media, to a huge audience, showing that Rosales was gaining more and more everyday, and could possibly win. Mr. Schoen added his personal opinion, "The momentum is clearly with Rosales."(10) With the help of the mainstream media, almost all of which is vehemently opposed to the popular president, these fake polls have reached a wide audience."


Fascinating article, you need to read it.

And more on the subject from the Miami Herald, December 3;

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/16151906.htm

"Sudden change at U.S. polling firm startles Venezuelan oppositionBY PHIL GUNSON AND STEVEN DUDLEY
sdudley@MiamiHerald.com
CARACAS - A sudden change in the management team of a U.S.-based polling firm working for opponents of President Hugo Chávez has raised eyebrows on the eve of presidential elections today.

Penn, Schoen & Berland, (PSB) a Washington firm that has been polling during the campaign and will be conducting exit polls for opposition candidate Manuel Rosales, confirmed that Mark Penn and not Doug Schoen will lead its team here.

Two members of Rosales' team, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to speak on the record, expressed surprise over the sudden change in managers and weren't sure how it would affect polling.

Another Rosales advisor, Diego Arria, said there was no turmoil and that Schoen was ``retiring.''








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  Carville will be part of the Hillary campaign, and it bothers me. madfloridian  Dec-11-06 12:42 AM   #0 
   McAuliffe's in the Hillary high cammand?  Ken Burch   Dec-11-06 12:54 AM   #1 
   She's pure DLC  silverojo   Dec-11-06 03:11 AM   #5 
   Carville Factoid: In 2000, Carville urged Gore to select Zell Miller as his running mate!  larissa   Dec-11-06 01:08 AM   #2 
   To be fair, Zell wasn't insane in 2000  liberalpragmatist   Dec-11-06 01:52 AM   #3 
      Yes, and not only that but Zell introduced Bill Clinton to Carville & Begala,  DemBones DemBones   Dec-11-06 09:23 PM   #23 
      Didn't Zell have some physical problem - something heart related which  Pirate Smile   Dec-26-06 12:14 AM   #51 
   Good, if Carville thinks he can do better than Dean I want to see him try  Hippo_Tron   Dec-11-06 02:21 AM   #4 
   carville is a defeatist. he caves in too easily. tell him a republican  orleans   Dec-11-06 03:24 AM   #7 
   As if we needed one more reason not to vote for Hillary.  Ninja Jordan   Dec-11-06 03:15 AM   #6 
   I didn't need another reason, yet here it is! Disgusting that that  Nay   Dec-11-06 05:46 AM   #10 
   Not sure Carville and Clinton are that close.  pa28   Dec-11-06 03:58 AM   #8 
   I am not a Hillary fan but your point is what? She is political?  saracat   Dec-11-06 05:11 AM   #9 
   her point is that the stars have to align just right for her to be happy  wyldwolf   Dec-11-06 08:31 AM   #11 
   If Hillary is the Dem nominee in 2008, I hope she gets crushed in a landsllide  Larkspur   Dec-11-06 09:47 AM   #12 
   Interesting you would say that  wyldwolf   Dec-11-06 09:50 AM   #13 
      For me, to vote for Hillary is to vote for me getting laid off from my job  Larkspur   Dec-11-06 10:07 AM   #14 
         ok. We'll put you down as not supporting Hillary if she is the nominee... further...  wyldwolf   Dec-11-06 10:08 AM   #15 
            Thank you.  Larkspur   Dec-11-06 10:12 AM   #16 
   It makes sense  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Dec-11-06 11:17 AM   #17 
   Hey Jim! Read STATE OF DENIAL, by Bob Woodward (pgs. 344-347)!  zulchzulu   Dec-11-06 11:54 AM   #18 
   And this is only what made it's way into the book  NewYorkerfromMass   Dec-11-06 01:40 PM   #21 
      Not to mention that Begala and Carville in their media roles  karynnj   Dec-13-06 05:43 PM   #36 
   I'd like to see Carville retire from politics  NoPasaran   Dec-11-06 11:59 AM   #19 
   I'd like to see him retire from this earth. EOM  lojasmo   Dec-11-06 01:32 PM   #20 
   Penn, Schoen & Berland, Mark Penn a pollster for Hillary. Just in Venezuela.  madfloridian   Dec-11-06 09:19 PM   #22 
   Manipulating polls in other countries...  madfloridian   Dec-11-06 10:25 PM   #24 
   Bloomberg covered the Venezuelan polling....quoting Schoen  madfloridian   Dec-14-06 04:29 PM   #42 
   Carville would be an asset on any Dem's team. The guy is a fighter.  mtnsnake   Dec-11-06 10:29 PM   #25 
   Yes, he is a fighter.  madfloridian   Dec-11-06 10:41 PM   #27 
   Sure what did he do that was helpful  karynnj   Dec-13-06 05:46 PM   #38 
   He may be "in our foxhole", but he is also in the corporate pocket  mitchum   Dec-19-06 06:07 PM   #47 
   Carville and Begala are frauds  IndianaGreen   Dec-11-06 10:31 PM   #26 
   Carville just bothers me, period  election_2004   Dec-12-06 01:01 AM   #28 
   "Brand" doesn't pull its punches...more of the sordid stuff they do.  madfloridian   Dec-12-06 01:38 AM   #29 
   If Carville can run and win  BenDavid   Dec-12-06 02:16 AM   #30 
   About all that money....Carville was misrepresenting. Details.  madfloridian   Dec-12-06 02:25 AM   #32 
   And there is much more to the story, but it is late.  madfloridian   Dec-12-06 02:29 AM   #33 
   How many of those 4th tier candidates would even have been there  karynnj   Dec-14-06 03:09 PM   #41 
   Just another one of million reasons not to vote for her in the primaries  fujiyama   Dec-12-06 02:23 AM   #31 
   Hillary to have dinner with Carville, Begala, and others tonight...Hotline.  madfloridian   Dec-13-06 11:47 AM   #34 
   McCurry and Carville and the election....I found this from 04 at DU  madfloridian   Dec-13-06 01:54 PM   #35 
   Great! That means she'll lose the nomination. eom  geek tragedy   Dec-13-06 05:44 PM   #37 
   Those 2 deserve each other.  Rosemary2205   Dec-13-06 05:53 PM   #39 
   He has picked the major candidates for 08 already...D and R  madfloridian   Dec-14-06 12:41 PM   #40 
   After bumping you're own thread 5 times, we all understand he bothers you.  wyldwolf   Dec-14-06 04:32 PM   #43 
      but it really, really, really, bothers her  AtomicKitten   Dec-14-06 05:23 PM   #45 
   That says it all IMO...  elizm   Dec-14-06 04:44 PM   #44 
   wife  jcrew2001   Dec-19-06 06:01 PM   #46 
   Update: Bolivia trying to extradite the fellow Carville's group aided...from our own USA.  madfloridian   Dec-25-06 11:41 PM   #48 
   Excellent find about Carville sleeping with rightwing tyrants  IndianaGreen   Dec-25-06 11:55 PM   #50 
      Here is a scathing review of Our Brand is Crisis, and Carville's role in it.  madfloridian   Dec-26-06 02:09 AM   #52 
   Isn't it obvious that Hillary will have plausible deniability for the dirty shit  IndianaGreen   Dec-25-06 11:51 PM   #49 
 

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