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| 132. Amazing example of xenophobia on DU. |
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I agree with you, but I am so surprised that so many people here are so adamant to restrict the right of other citizens. Nice example of progressive ideas. After the American people somehow elected Bush twice to be president, it is so obvious that you NEED to be born on the American soil to be president.  Somebody tells me why Schwartzenegger would be somehow less qualified than Reagan or Bush? (not saying he is more). It is not even a case of mangling English more than Bush. Except for an Austrian accent rather than a fake Texan accent, it is not obvious that Arnold's English is worse that *'s. |
| -Should the constitution be ammended to allow non-American born citizens to be president? |
Tiggeroshii |
Dec-06-06 02:02 PM |
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Oh, no... |
Mythsaje |
Dec-06-06 02:07 PM |
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Hell No |
eliphaslevi |
Dec-06-06 02:08 PM |
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What reason is that? |
Tiggeroshii |
Dec-06-06 02:10 PM |
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Foreign Interests |
eliphaslevi |
Dec-06-06 02:19 PM |
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Amen... |
Infinite Hope |
Dec-06-06 03:17 PM |
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tell that to a little girl who is told everyday by me that she can grow up to be and do anything |
Demi_Babe |
Dec-06-06 11:34 PM |
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Tell her she can become President of China |
krispos42 |
Dec-07-06 03:54 AM |
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Sorry, but i have little pity. |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-07-06 01:14 PM |
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"There's no reason for a first generation immigrant to become president." |
iverglas |
Dec-07-06 02:30 AM |
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We have more than 200 million people who qualify. We need to let |
SharonAnn |
Dec-08-06 10:08 PM |
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Yes, but we need to include a rider that says if you have won the Mr Universe title 7 or more times, |
Book Lover |
Dec-06-06 02:11 PM |
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Yes, the amendment should read that all naturalized citizens are |
lizzy |
Dec-06-06 10:42 PM |
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No, because they will run Arnold and the SAAV |
48percenter |
Dec-06-06 02:11 PM |
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And is it worse than Bush or Allen? |
Mass |
Dec-08-06 08:09 AM |
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We have 300 million people here |
krispos42 |
Dec-06-06 02:14 PM |
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So Madeline Albright can be our Secretary of State, but not the Chief Executive? |
Book Lover |
Dec-06-06 02:16 PM |
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Because the Constitution, the law of the land, says so. NT |
MADem |
Dec-06-06 02:17 PM |
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That's your argument? |
Book Lover |
Dec-06-06 02:19 PM |
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It's a good argument. I think the framers knew what they were doing. |
MADem |
Dec-06-06 02:42 PM |
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Hardly a good argument |
Book Lover |
Dec-06-06 02:56 PM |
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Indoctrinated into our society from birth. n/t |
ieoeja |
Dec-06-06 03:54 PM |
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Okay. So you are saying that in order to be president, |
Book Lover |
Dec-06-06 04:17 PM |
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Nope--I go for the "accident of birth" argument. And you might not like that, but |
MADem |
Dec-06-06 09:53 PM |
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Is it the geographic location that rocks your boat? So, if |
lizzy |
Dec-06-06 10:44 PM |
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Yes, IF his parents were working for the Federal government and filed |
MADem |
Dec-06-06 11:20 PM |
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good grief |
iverglas |
Dec-07-06 02:44 AM |
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Ah, and you, of course, do? |
MADem |
Dec-07-06 03:45 AM |
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that's all absolutely fascinating |
iverglas |
Dec-07-06 04:05 AM |
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It has to do with the ability of the parent to prove the child is entitled to citizenship |
MADem |
Dec-07-06 04:16 AM |
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oh good lord |
iverglas |
Dec-07-06 04:41 AM |
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You need to read specifically what I wrote, and not project what you THINK I mean |
MADem |
Dec-07-06 05:09 AM |
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No, I need to throw up my hands and get back to work |
iverglas |
Dec-07-06 05:50 AM |
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You are right about one thing |
MADem |
Dec-07-06 06:21 AM |
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Check it out |
krispos42 |
Dec-07-06 05:16 AM |
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Good point |
treestar |
Dec-06-06 11:29 PM |
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Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5, US Constitution |
krispos42 |
Dec-07-06 05:08 AM |
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I will define it in three words: Ahnuld for President???? |
MADem |
Dec-06-06 09:42 PM |
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What a shame you are ending this conversation |
Book Lover |
Dec-06-06 09:52 PM |
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Here is a quality being born on US soil does NOT confer, as a rule |
MADem |
Dec-06-06 10:55 PM |
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you absolutely do not know what you're talking about |
iverglas |
Dec-07-06 03:21 AM |
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Well, I've been civil, I have explained my viewpoint, and I've posted State Department regs |
MADem |
Dec-07-06 04:02 AM |
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once again: fascinating |
iverglas |
Dec-07-06 04:29 AM |
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I don't think you do understand the formal, symbolic meaning of the Presidency. |
MADem |
Dec-07-06 06:09 AM |
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jeezus bleeding christ |
iverglas |
Dec-07-06 07:00 AM |
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You need help, I think, |
MADem |
Dec-07-06 07:15 AM |
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keep it up, all of it |
iverglas |
Dec-07-06 07:28 AM |
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So you don't think citizens of DC should have voting rights? |
SaveElmer |
Dec-06-06 03:09 PM |
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Actually, I do, but without any changes to the Constitution at all |
MADem |
Dec-06-06 10:23 PM |
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I agree with that ...but... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-07-06 09:04 AM |
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Alexander Hamilton could not be President either. |
happyslug |
Dec-06-06 05:31 PM |
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Because being born here is no guarentee |
Book Lover |
Dec-06-06 06:37 PM |
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Because as Secretary of State she is still under authority, |
igil |
Dec-06-06 06:02 PM |
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Please let me see if I understand what you are saying |
Book Lover |
Dec-06-06 06:40 PM |
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Maybe. |
igil |
Dec-08-06 01:02 PM |
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Because she is a Czech national |
krispos42 |
Dec-07-06 04:29 AM |
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like I wuz saying |
iverglas |
Dec-07-06 04:58 AM |
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Sleepless night, eh, Iverglas? |
krispos42 |
Dec-07-06 05:47 AM |
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yeah, but did you read down to the bottom? |
iverglas |
Dec-07-06 06:40 AM |
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Um, yeah, I saw your post later on down the list |
krispos42 |
Dec-07-06 07:03 AM |
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aargh |
iverglas |
Dec-07-06 07:10 AM |
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That lady in the front is wearing the drapes? |
krispos42 |
Dec-07-06 07:21 AM |
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Drapes immortalized |
iverglas |
Dec-07-06 06:01 PM |
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The overly-tan gentleman in the red V-neck and dark jacket? |
krispos42 |
Dec-08-06 03:30 AM |
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So a person can take our oath of citizenship, renounce their foreign citizenship, |
Book Lover |
Dec-07-06 09:41 AM |
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Happy to oblige |
krispos42 |
Dec-08-06 03:41 AM |
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I don't either |
alarimer |
Dec-08-06 08:34 AM |
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"Foreigners"? |
iverglas |
Dec-07-06 02:33 AM |
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Yes, foreigners |
krispos42 |
Dec-07-06 03:48 AM |
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I'm with you. NT |
MADem |
Dec-07-06 04:05 AM |
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oh, do try again |
iverglas |
Dec-07-06 04:46 AM |
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The things I do to make you happy... |
krispos42 |
Dec-07-06 06:11 AM |
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I hear that! |
wiley |
Dec-08-06 11:12 PM |
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Non-American born citizens get to be SECRETARY OF STATE |
MADem |
Dec-06-06 02:16 PM |
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I voted NO but... |
RedG1 |
Dec-06-06 03:04 PM |
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Yes it is an arcane requirement... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-06-06 03:08 PM |
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It may be arcane, but it does not harm and there certainly is no good reason to go through |
beaconess |
Dec-06-06 03:44 PM |
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It is unfair and unnecessary... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-06-06 03:50 PM |
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thanking our stars for little problems ... |
iverglas |
Dec-07-06 03:58 AM |
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dang, put this in the wrong place -- should be general reply to opening post |
iverglas |
Dec-07-06 05:00 AM |
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and just so's anyone interested knows |
iverglas |
Dec-07-06 08:15 AM |
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No. |
terrya |
Dec-06-06 03:11 PM |
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however |
90-percent |
Dec-06-06 03:25 PM |
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This really isn't about Ahnuld . . . |
beaconess |
Dec-06-06 03:41 PM |
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Pardon me. Please read my and others' posts here supporting this idea. |
Book Lover |
Dec-06-06 03:51 PM |
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Olympics |
eliphaslevi |
Dec-06-06 04:22 PM |
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Reasonable statement |
Book Lover |
Dec-06-06 04:31 PM |
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No, they aren't. They can remain dual nationals, you see. Ahnuld is one, for example. |
MADem |
Dec-07-06 04:19 AM |
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have you read the oath taken -- and the post you replied to? |
iverglas |
Dec-07-06 05:09 AM |
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And the Supreme Court has trumped that oath by their rulings over the years. |
MADem |
Dec-07-06 06:48 AM |
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you do love to change the subject |
iverglas |
Dec-07-06 07:03 AM |
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You can swear that oath all day and all night, and still retain your dual citizenship |
MADem |
Dec-07-06 07:26 AM |
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okay: 'STREWTH |
iverglas |
Dec-07-06 07:35 AM |
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No, you're shouting, acting like a jerk, and in your own little world. NT |
MADem |
Dec-07-06 07:43 AM |
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Wow, look at all those JOOOOOOOOS |
tritsofme |
Dec-06-06 04:21 PM |
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Dec-06-06 04:26 PM |
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Sorry, but you fell for a bunch of anti-Semitic bullshit! |
tritsofme |
Dec-06-06 04:35 PM |
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Dec-06-06 06:16 PM |
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Sorry, I just never thought I'd have to defend the ADL |
tritsofme |
Dec-07-06 02:04 AM |
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Well, it ain't StandardS and Poors, which could be impacting your research |
MADem |
Dec-06-06 11:25 PM |
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No President Schwarzenegger is not a good enough reason... |
SaveElmer |
Dec-06-06 04:13 PM |
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But there seems to be a powerful concern at DU |
Telly Savalas |
Dec-06-06 05:46 PM |
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I agree 100%, the constitution is about more than any one person |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-06-06 06:04 PM |
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Yea, I agree. As much as I hate the idea of President Arnold, |
lizzy |
Dec-06-06 10:37 PM |
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hell no |
talk hard |
Dec-06-06 04:22 PM |
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Yes |
abburdlen |
Dec-06-06 04:25 PM |
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I voted yes... |
annarbor |
Dec-06-06 04:44 PM |
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No |
KKKarl is an idiot |
Dec-06-06 04:47 PM |
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What if you moved here when you were 5 years old not 25? |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-06-06 06:00 PM |
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We have Jennifer Granholm, who would make a good Veep |
IndianaGreen |
Dec-06-06 05:30 PM |
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Not if Schwartzenegger or however one spells it gets to run. |
MasonJar |
Dec-06-06 05:49 PM |
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Absolutely, I think it is discrimination that we don't |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-06-06 05:59 PM |
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This is probably not the best time for controversial Constitutional changes . |
MissMarple |
Dec-06-06 06:26 PM |
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Yep, you're quite wise....the laws of unintended consequences |
MADem |
Dec-06-06 11:32 PM |
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I am torn |
JNelson6563 |
Dec-06-06 06:32 PM |
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i had to vote yes. |
xchrom |
Dec-06-06 06:46 PM |
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I voted yes, but I would have it if someone has been a citizen for 20 years or so they can run |
SmellsLikeDeanSpirit |
Dec-06-06 10:27 PM |
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I think it should. |
lizzy |
Dec-06-06 10:36 PM |
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Why is this an issue? Is there foreign-born person out there we're dying to have as president |
beaconess |
Dec-06-06 10:42 PM |
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There is one who is probably dying to run on the republican side. |
lizzy |
Dec-06-06 10:45 PM |
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Yes, the 18th Century reason for concern |
treestar |
Dec-06-06 11:26 PM |
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No! No! No! No! Don't let Arnold get his steroid ass in the door |
Joe Bacon |
Dec-07-06 12:20 AM |
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Another mom of a Chinese-born daughter |
BlueGirlRedState |
Dec-07-06 06:04 AM |
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Not a chance. See my post below. (nt) |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-07-06 01:19 PM |
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Let me qualify that. |
trogdor |
Dec-07-06 07:36 AM |
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That would absolutely cripple our foreign policy. |
Vash the Stampede |
Dec-07-06 01:18 PM |
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It's hard to imagine that even a randomly selected person |
Telly Savalas |
Dec-08-06 11:05 PM |
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The last time this was brought up, it was by people |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Dec-07-06 01:19 PM |
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Yes, with some caveats. |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-07-06 03:46 PM |
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If the electorate want a three legged mongoose to be president, the Constitution shouldn't stop them |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Dec-07-06 04:46 PM |
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Of course it should be ammended |
Comicstripper |
Dec-07-06 05:18 PM |
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Amazing example of xenophobia on DU. |
Mass |
Dec-08-06 08:21 AM |
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Yes, people from other countries only want to be our friends |
slackmaster |
Dec-08-06 08:55 AM |
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Because Bush is our friend? |
Mass |
Dec-08-06 09:02 AM |
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I can assure you, people here in Britain don't look like that. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Dec-08-06 01:24 PM |
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It's a slippery slope, Donald |
slackmaster |
Dec-08-06 03:37 PM |
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you caught my stuff about Canada here? |
iverglas |
Dec-08-06 04:25 PM |
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Absolutely |
Bill McBlueState |
Dec-09-06 12:28 AM |
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