PassingFair
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Tue Dec-05-06 11:16 AM
Response to Reply #61 |
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Kerry was UNABLE to even DEBATE the evils of the
ILLEGAL invasion of IRAQ, having voted to authorize it.
It was pitiful.
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| -"If the IWR had failed, we wouldn't be in Iraq now." Who are we kidding? |
pnwmom |
Dec-03-06 11:44 PM |
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You are exactly correct IMHO |
tkmorris |
Dec-03-06 11:50 PM |
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Feingold was not running for Senate in 2002. |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 12:21 AM |
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Oh please, Kerry was running without GOP opposition in the most blue state in the country |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-04-06 02:21 AM |
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Kerry, unfortunately, already had his eyes on 2004. |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 02:55 AM |
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A statement I can agree with. |
A Simple Game |
Dec-04-06 07:03 AM |
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I guess I've gotten more cynical with age. |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 08:06 AM |
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Right, the only perfect candidate would be ourselves. |
A Simple Game |
Dec-04-06 08:36 AM |
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I don't believe that about his motivation. But I do appreciate |
LittleClarkie |
Dec-04-06 08:43 PM |
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Dunno about losing seats - W would have gone to war regardless, true, but... |
The Count |
Dec-04-06 12:00 AM |
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The majority of the people were looking at two holes in the ground |
mikehiggins |
Dec-04-06 12:12 AM |
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I don't expect my representatives to have a suicide impulse. |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 12:16 AM |
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I strongly disagree. There's nothing to show that the majority |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 12:13 AM |
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Many polls clearly showed the US majority opposed. |
LynnTheDem |
Dec-04-06 12:36 AM |
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The question is whether they supported the IWR, not whether they |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 12:40 AM |
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IWR legitimized W's war, even the BS about OBL=Saddam |
The Count |
Dec-04-06 04:20 PM |
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Agreed |
loyalsister |
Dec-04-06 04:51 PM |
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Thank you so much for this. The false perception is still lingering in people's minds |
The Count |
Dec-04-06 04:18 PM |
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I suspect your right - |
NCevilDUer |
Dec-04-06 12:17 AM |
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Bush hadn't made it clear yet that he had given up on bin Laden. |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 12:30 AM |
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There's the right thing to do, regardless of political gains. |
LynnTheDem |
Dec-04-06 12:17 AM |
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The people would have died REGARDLESS of the vote. |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 12:27 AM |
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he's gonna do it anyway, why not help him |
darboy |
Dec-04-06 12:29 AM |
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We would have helped him more, actually, if we opposed it. |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 12:33 AM |
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right |
darboy |
Dec-04-06 12:35 AM |
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Oh yeah, sure. Great analogy. |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 12:37 AM |
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Actually, the tax cuts were good economically but it was unintended |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-04-06 02:37 AM |
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Yes in 2002 we would've lost in greater numbers |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-04-06 02:41 AM |
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I don't think Americans perceived the Democrats as flip floppers on the IWR |
1932 |
Dec-04-06 07:24 AM |
#61 |
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Baloney. |
PassingFair |
Dec-05-06 11:16 AM |
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And then we wouldn't have the Senate now... |
rockymountaindem |
Dec-04-06 10:14 AM |
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Maybe, but Kerry might be in the White House |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-04-06 12:12 PM |
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So all THESE democrats HELPED him? WTF? |
PassingFair |
Dec-05-06 10:59 AM |
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Because a Senate with more Republicans would have passed a broader IWR |
1932 |
Dec-04-06 07:21 AM |
#60 |
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Exactly. We could have ended up with an even more |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 08:07 AM |
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I don't think it would have been possible to pass a broader IWR |
darboy |
Dec-04-06 08:09 AM |
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Not true. The original bill was quite a bit broader than the one that |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 08:11 AM |
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how was it broader? |
darboy |
Dec-04-06 08:15 AM |
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Here's one source on that: |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 08:27 AM |
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the problem is |
darboy |
Dec-04-06 08:58 AM |
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I'm interested in hearing your response to the post below which |
1932 |
Dec-04-06 08:41 AM |
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well, here it is |
darboy |
Dec-04-06 09:00 AM |
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The MAJORITY of house dems |
PassingFair |
Dec-04-06 01:08 AM |
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I will concede that a vote against the IWR |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 01:33 AM |
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I count two Senators that would've lost in '02 had they voted NEA on the IWR |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-04-06 02:23 AM |
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I would not add Landrieu |
darboy |
Dec-04-06 08:11 AM |
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Sugar production is one thing. The "war on terrorism" is another. |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 08:12 AM |
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standing up to Bush and acting like you have a pair |
darboy |
Dec-04-06 08:19 AM |
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The inspectors were already IN Iraq. |
PassingFair |
Dec-04-06 08:32 PM |
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In the words of Stewie Griffin |
darboy |
Dec-04-06 12:28 AM |
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Yup. Politics when human lives are involved are crass and inexcusable |
The Count |
Dec-04-06 04:24 PM |
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Stop talking sense! |
Julien Sorel |
Dec-04-06 12:29 AM |
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Many Dems who supported it weren't running in 2002, such as Lieberman |
John Q. Citizen |
Dec-04-06 12:47 AM |
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Kerry WAS up for re-election. I don't understand your point. |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 12:52 AM |
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I just edited. Maybe it's a little clearer now.... |
John Q. Citizen |
Dec-04-06 12:58 AM |
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As I said, Kerry was up for election in 2002, and the IWR |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 01:15 AM |
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It was Reed in Rhode Island. Reid in Nevada voted for it and just won |
John Q. Citizen |
Dec-04-06 01:53 AM |
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Byrd's seat was safe. And I'm glad he took a stand. |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 02:13 AM |
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Kerry was running with no GOP opposition in Massachusetts in 2002 |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-04-06 02:33 AM |
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I think Kerry's vote had more to do with his plans for running in 2004. |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 02:39 AM |
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No, but he could've tried to get a stronger resolution so Bush couldn't do that |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-04-06 03:01 AM |
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Kerry has a very safe seat and is a real poor example for your |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-04-06 06:41 AM |
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It wasn't a vote for |
ProSense |
Dec-04-06 07:02 AM |
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Oh please he voted for the IWR. |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-04-06 07:05 AM |
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"Oh please"? That doesn't change the facts! The IWR was not a vote for war. n/t |
ProSense |
Dec-04-06 07:07 AM |
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His statement on the reason for his vote was very clear. |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 08:02 AM |
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his statement isn't the law |
darboy |
Dec-04-06 08:13 AM |
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Only under conditions that he did NOT meet. |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 09:27 AM |
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the midterm 2002 election was rigged just like the rest of the recent elections. |
bullimiami |
Dec-04-06 01:41 AM |
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I don't deny that, but we would've gained in the long run, IMO |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-04-06 02:14 AM |
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You're right. If the Dems had had the clear vision that 20/20 hindsight |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 02:43 AM |
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No hindsight necessary, all that is needed is a little history and expert advice |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-04-06 03:08 AM |
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Thousands of pajama-clad blogbarians got it right |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-04-06 06:44 AM |
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Millions of us got it right. Big deal. |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 08:09 AM |
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I DON'T GIVE A F*** |
Skittles |
Dec-04-06 02:29 AM |
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because the repukes would be even more clearly culpable now |
leftofthedial |
Dec-04-06 02:32 AM |
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The fact that Bush would have invaded "come hell or high water" |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 02:50 AM |
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no. the vote had many effects. |
leftofthedial |
Dec-04-06 03:38 AM |
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We didn't KNOW. We just had a gut instinct not to trust Bush, |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 03:51 AM |
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speak for yourself |
leftofthedial |
Dec-04-06 04:19 AM |
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You didn't know that Colin Powell's presentation to the UN |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 05:48 AM |
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What? |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-04-06 06:48 AM |
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You called it correctly. But you had no proof. |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 07:51 AM |
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Yes absolutely correct |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-04-06 07:21 PM |
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Yes actually, we did know. |
LynnTheDem |
Dec-04-06 09:39 AM |
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again, you're wrong |
leftofthedial |
Dec-04-06 10:45 AM |
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I knew |
darboy |
Dec-04-06 08:23 AM |
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They were not in when the IWR was signed. |
Mass |
Dec-04-06 08:56 PM |
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you are right |
darboy |
Dec-04-06 10:19 PM |
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If you are suggesting that that particular vote didn't matter, |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-04-06 03:40 AM |
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It did not matter, in the sense that Bush would have attacked |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 03:54 AM |
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And it would have been better to have gone down that way. |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-04-06 04:02 AM |
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First of all, |
cali |
Dec-04-06 04:05 AM |
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Well, considering that virtually every measuable poll showed |
MadHound |
Dec-04-06 05:48 AM |
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The IWR was sold to the American public as a way to |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 07:54 AM |
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Funny then, isn't it, that inspectors were already heading back to Iraq |
MadHound |
Dec-04-06 08:53 AM |
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1441 was voted one month after the IWR. |
Mass |
Dec-04-06 09:05 PM |
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Sorry, but you cannot state that assumption as fact. |
MadHound |
Dec-05-06 05:36 AM |
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I was not making any assumption. |
Mass |
Dec-05-06 06:13 AM |
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Facts here: |
ProSense |
Dec-04-06 06:03 AM |
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Thanks for the link to all this research, ProSense. |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 07:57 AM |
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no, just people confusing speeches (opinions) for facts |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-04-06 09:44 AM |
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Here is another fact that deniers claim is an opinion: |
ProSense |
Dec-04-06 12:16 PM |
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here's another fact that is actually relevant to the conversation |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-04-06 01:58 PM |
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Fact: Bush lied! Opinion: your post. Am I right? n/t |
ProSense |
Dec-04-06 02:27 PM |
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somehow I knew I'd have to spell it out for you |
AtomicKitten |
Dec-04-06 03:09 PM |
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Fact: Bush lied! Opinion: your post. Am I right, yes or no? n/t |
ProSense |
Dec-04-06 03:15 PM |
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Ok , but I disagree with this. |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-04-06 06:38 AM |
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And we would have had that many more Republican incumbants |
pnwmom |
Dec-04-06 07:59 AM |
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Powell's cartoons were presented in February 2003, |
SOS |
Dec-04-06 09:30 AM |
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Agree. The authorization was a formality and a foregone conclusion. |
dailykoff |
Dec-04-06 08:37 PM |
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I agree. |
Mass |
Dec-04-06 09:07 PM |
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One week before Bush illegally invaded Iraq: |
ProSense |
Dec-04-06 10:56 PM |
#108 |
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