Norquist Nemesis
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Mon Nov-20-06 10:49 AM
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| 11. First of all, "Draft" in Rangel's terms does not equal Conscription |
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I have a 22 and 19 yo son and daughter, so I'm in the same boat as you in terms of fighting the Cons. Unfortunately, people are fixating on the military aspect of the proposal.
Second, 'shared sacrifice' for service to the Country is not a bad thing. (Especially when one considers that the military service is one of several options.) IIRC, part of Kerry's platform referenced a service to the country component.
Third, a Military Draft will not happen.
Finally, this isn't the first time the Rangel proposal has been put forth and discussed (at least here on DU). My biggest concern about a Draft Bill is that the Executive Branch would have the authority to move people to the section "with the greatest need". In other words, the people would have to rank their choices, but have no say about the final decision. There would have to be a provision that they get their #1 choice.
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| -My Worst Post Ever. |
FredStembottom |
Nov-20-06 10:27 AM |
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it's a very conflicting situation |
TallahasseeGrannie |
Nov-20-06 10:32 AM |
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There Will Be NO DRAFT |
itsmesgd |
Nov-20-06 10:34 AM |
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I'm not convinced |
Little Wing |
Nov-20-06 10:49 AM |
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Rangels bill specifically allows NO DEFERMENT for college students. |
elehhhhna |
Nov-21-06 09:16 AM |
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This intentional divisiveness through outrageous legislation is a Karl Rove trick. |
Buzz Clik |
Nov-20-06 10:52 AM |
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When are we ever going to stop |
BoneDaddy |
Nov-20-06 01:51 PM |
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I stated it badly -- I was not blaming Rove, |
Buzz Clik |
Nov-21-06 07:45 AM |
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...and WHO would they be protesting against? DEMOCRATS! Not a very good idea, IMO. n/t |
FormerRushFan |
Nov-20-06 11:18 AM |
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Exactly - THERE WILL BE NO DRAFT. PERIOD. |
TankLV |
Nov-20-06 07:07 PM |
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You are dreaming. |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-21-06 06:38 AM |
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It would be your most foolish post ever if that is the case Fred. |
acmejack |
Nov-20-06 10:36 AM |
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Oh yes I did. BIG TIME. |
FredStembottom |
Nov-20-06 10:39 AM |
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I did, but it seems the lesson wasn't adequately |
Warpy |
Nov-20-06 10:46 AM |
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A "peacetime draft"? That is the problem in a nutshell. |
Dhalgren |
Nov-20-06 11:07 AM |
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Because when you're the minority party, you can say stupid shit... |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-21-06 11:49 AM |
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I think Charlie Rangel should not have used this issue |
demnan |
Nov-20-06 10:36 AM |
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He seems to be calling for something more than a draft |
grizmaster |
Nov-20-06 10:38 AM |
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Me thinks you are over reacting just a bit. |
8643 |
Nov-20-06 10:42 AM |
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Oh....I am utterly irrational this morning! |
FredStembottom |
Nov-20-06 10:46 AM |
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You have company. I hate this ridiculous maneuver. |
Buzz Clik |
Nov-20-06 10:53 AM |
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try to relax, give our reps some elbow room. |
8643 |
Nov-21-06 08:55 AM |
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If they want to draft my kids, they're not my reps. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-21-06 11:50 AM |
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There are too many kneejerks out there who don't realize |
Warpy |
Nov-20-06 10:44 AM |
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Perfect... This sums it up for me.... let me add one more thing... |
RethugAssKicker |
Nov-20-06 11:50 AM |
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Let me second that. |
Zavulon |
Nov-21-06 09:09 AM |
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First of all, "Draft" in Rangel's terms does not equal Conscription |
Norquist Nemesis |
Nov-20-06 10:49 AM |
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So, you support government coercion? |
IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge |
Nov-21-06 08:50 AM |
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Fantastic post. |
Buzz Clik |
Nov-20-06 10:51 AM |
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Please consider nuance - if we never talk about the social |
higher class |
Nov-20-06 10:54 AM |
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some of us here may appreciate nuance . . . the vast majority of Americans . . . |
OneBlueSky |
Nov-20-06 11:22 AM |
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Not being familiar with your posting history |
cali |
Nov-20-06 11:00 AM |
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And my boys are the batteries in that light. |
FredStembottom |
Nov-20-06 11:12 AM |
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You are hardly the only person with children |
cali |
Nov-20-06 11:37 AM |
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While I frequently agree with you, Cali, today I must differ |
dbaker41 |
Nov-20-06 11:14 AM |
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Well said. |
Lurking Dem |
Nov-20-06 11:35 AM |
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Bake, |
cali |
Nov-20-06 11:39 AM |
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You are very naive |
mtnsnake |
Nov-20-06 12:08 PM |
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Heck I knew it would happen where were you? |
8643 |
Nov-21-06 09:25 AM |
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Surely you posted to me by accident because none of your rant applies |
mtnsnake |
Nov-21-06 09:44 AM |
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Actually I was, I associate you with the sky is falling group |
8643 |
Nov-21-06 09:47 AM |
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Then I've got some bad news for you |
mtnsnake |
Nov-21-06 10:05 AM |
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on your advice, right away. |
8643 |
Nov-21-06 10:15 AM |
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Well I didnt call you any of the things you called me for starts. |
8643 |
Nov-21-06 10:48 AM |
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Never say never my friend. n/t |
8643 |
Nov-21-06 09:30 AM |
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I absolutely disagree!!! |
RethugAssKicker |
Nov-20-06 11:54 AM |
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Amen |
mtnsnake |
Nov-20-06 12:09 PM |
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LOL |
BoneDaddy |
Nov-20-06 01:56 PM |
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I Agree With You Cali... Also Said Same On another Thread.... n/t |
ChiciB1 |
Nov-20-06 12:18 PM |
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EXACTLY! For the 100 & first time! |
8643 |
Nov-21-06 09:04 AM |
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A 2 x 4 is not a rhetorical device, it's a weapon. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-21-06 11:53 AM |
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Charlie Rangel |
DisgruntledVet |
Nov-20-06 11:26 AM |
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My oldest just turned 13 and he has been worried about getting drafted |
poli speak |
Nov-20-06 11:34 AM |
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I don't blame you for feeling like you do. Hang on, though, maybe our Dems |
mtnsnake |
Nov-20-06 11:40 AM |
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Hey mtnsnake, I just made sense of your post to me! |
8643 |
Nov-21-06 11:25 AM |
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Your BEST POST EVER....... |
RethugAssKicker |
Nov-20-06 11:41 AM |
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I am stuck in the middle. I believe Rangel is being brave on |
higher class |
Nov-20-06 12:11 PM |
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Simmer Down... |
Infinite Hope |
Nov-20-06 01:08 PM |
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I hear you! I have the same problem. |
No Exit |
Nov-20-06 11:30 PM |
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I can see your concern.. |
KennedyGuy |
Nov-21-06 06:43 AM |
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I wish people would knock this off already. |
BlueEyedSon |
Nov-21-06 06:46 AM |
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And gee whiz by golly we continue to think he is very wrong. |
endarkenment |
Nov-21-06 08:24 AM |
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Please articulate what you think is wrong with Rangel's stance |
BlueEyedSon |
Nov-21-06 08:51 AM |
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Manipulative, dishonest, and dumb. |
endarkenment |
Nov-21-06 09:03 AM |
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Being manipulative, attracting attention and stimulating debate |
BlueEyedSon |
Nov-21-06 09:36 AM |
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No it isn't its dishonest and manipulative. |
endarkenment |
Nov-21-06 10:06 AM |
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Don't speak for me, I woke up monday and read the truth |
BlueEyedSon |
Nov-21-06 10:20 AM |
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There are two possibilities |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-21-06 11:56 AM |
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Exactly. |
endarkenment |
Nov-21-06 12:12 PM |
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If people only get one thing from this rant I went on Monday morning........ |
FredStembottom |
Nov-22-06 12:07 AM |
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Fuck Rangel |
IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge |
Nov-21-06 08:48 AM |
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Debate is not betrayal--reinstating the draft would be. |
DuaneBidoux |
Nov-21-06 09:32 AM |
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We WON! Let's all relax. Hell, MY kids aren't dying! Pass the turkey |
jgraz |
Nov-21-06 09:43 AM |
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But was not what the OP was saying. |
LittleClarkie |
Nov-22-06 12:13 AM |
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I have tried to stay out of these arguments... |
Shadoobie |
Nov-21-06 09:46 AM |
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Your post defines the seriousness of war.... |
kentuck |
Nov-21-06 10:11 AM |
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I think thats what Rangel had in mind.. |
KennedyGuy |
Nov-21-06 10:18 AM |
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To all you folks with draft age kids |
8643 |
Nov-21-06 11:07 AM |
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Right on. Another thread asked if dem rule is better than shared. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-21-06 11:47 AM |
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So...why has Rangel done this more than once? |
FredStembottom |
Nov-22-06 12:00 AM |
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please, GET A GRIP |
Skittles |
Nov-22-06 02:39 AM |
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