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86. We have Iraq and no draft now. I think Nixon ended the draft in order to protect
the possibility of continuing to have Vietnams and that, if the draft continued, it would have been ended Vietnam two years sooner (in the '72 election) and wouldn't have Iraq.

I think that we almost got Robert Kennedy as president partly because of the draft and an engaged public.
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  -Rangel is right about the draft. 1932  Nov-19-06 09:51 PM   #0 
  - Excuse me but, the short term is two years and a couple of months.  Kagemusha   Nov-19-06 09:54 PM   #1 
  - That forced indentured servitude seems to be  Mythsaje   Nov-19-06 09:56 PM   #3 
  - Speaking for myself, good luck with that  Kagemusha   Nov-19-06 10:04 PM   #11 
  - You think Americans aren't forced indentured servants today?  1932   Nov-20-06 06:46 AM   #78 
     - Uh, I think this would be on a bit of a different scale.  Kagemusha   Nov-20-06 07:37 AM   #93 
  - Riiiight...  Mythsaje   Nov-19-06 09:55 PM   #2 
  - The draft was the reason Americans were so engaged in the Vietnam discussion  1932   Nov-20-06 06:54 AM   #80 
     - Vietnam War: 1965 - 1975. 50,000 of ours 2,000,000 of theirs.  Warren Stupidity   Nov-20-06 06:58 AM   #82 
        - We have Iraq and no draft now. I think Nixon ended the draft in order to protect  1932   Nov-20-06 07:05 AM   #86 
           - Right now on a bad week we lose perhaps 20 soldiers.  Warren Stupidity   Nov-20-06 07:09 AM   #87 
              - I'm not sure that difference is due entirely to the draft or the number of troops  1932   Nov-20-06 07:18 AM   #90 
  - Just the Debate could bring the Iraq war to the forefront  Monkeyman   Nov-19-06 09:57 PM   #4 
  - More people would be paying attention to politics  pstans   Nov-19-06 09:57 PM   #5 
  - Good point  hsher   Nov-19-06 10:15 PM   # 
  - Seriously flawed logic.  Buzz Clik   Nov-19-06 09:57 PM   #6 
  - We woke up.  Erika   Nov-19-06 10:05 PM   #13 
     - Granted. We woke during Vietnam, too.  Buzz Clik   Nov-19-06 10:08 PM   #16 
        - Yes, draft  Erika   Nov-19-06 10:15 PM   #20 
           - Would you support a random lottery...  Buzz Clik   Nov-19-06 10:26 PM   #27 
  - Better yet  Ayesha   Nov-19-06 09:59 PM   #7 
  - If WEALTHY people had a direct connection. Like members of Congress, WH etc. nt  MookieWilson   Nov-19-06 10:03 PM   #8 
  - Never going to happen  Warpy   Nov-19-06 10:05 PM   #14 
     - The rich men under Rangel's plan would serve  Erika   Nov-19-06 10:18 PM   #22 
        - Like hell they would  Warpy   Nov-19-06 10:50 PM   #36 
        - And who will let rangel plan through? By the time is approved, it will be  The Count   Nov-19-06 11:36 PM   #49 
  - Rangel is right on and good for him!  Erika   Nov-19-06 10:03 PM   #9 
  - All Americans will NEVER suffer equally...  Mythsaje   Nov-19-06 10:13 PM   #18 
  - It didn't stop the Vietnam war...  Jokinomx   Nov-19-06 11:25 PM   #46 
  - Didn't Rangel vote AGAINST his own bill when he brought this  Common Sense Party   Nov-19-06 11:46 PM   #57 
  - People HAD that "direct connection" to foreign policy prior to the  Warpy   Nov-19-06 10:03 PM   #10 
  - Look, if we're stuck in Iraq, or even if we start bringing troops home soon,  Divernan   Nov-19-06 10:04 PM   #12 
  - My nephew Marine has served two tours in Iraq  Erika   Nov-19-06 10:24 PM   #26 
  - Younger voters HATE the draft and will vote Republican if Rangel succeeds  David Dunham   Nov-19-06 10:05 PM   #15 
  - That's missing the point entirely  Mr_Spock   Nov-19-06 10:09 PM   #17 
  - You expect the media to explain the subtle nuances to the masses?  Ninja Jordan   Nov-19-06 10:15 PM   #21 
     - I expect the internet to inform the public and go Rangel!  Erika   Nov-19-06 10:20 PM   #23 
     - How does Rangel's bill make the GOP justify anything?  Ninja Jordan   Nov-19-06 10:58 PM   #37 
     - lol - there is NOTHING subtle about what Rangel is doing  Mr_Spock   Nov-19-06 10:24 PM   #25 
     - Exactly. The GOP is the party of the chickenhawks  Erika   Nov-19-06 10:27 PM   #28 
     - All it shows is that the Dems are schizophrenic  Azathoth   Nov-19-06 10:27 PM   #29 
        - He's demanding equal sacrifice  Erika   Nov-19-06 10:32 PM   #31 
        - It's not ok for anyone to be fighting, that's the point.  Ninja Jordan   Nov-19-06 11:00 PM   #40 
           - I don't think Rangel is going to reinstitute the draft.  Sparkly   Nov-19-06 11:03 PM   #42 
        - Well, keep thinking linearly  Mr_Spock   Nov-19-06 10:33 PM   #32 
        - Keep thinking in spirals until 2+2=5.  Warren Stupidity   Nov-20-06 07:11 AM   #89 
        - You're right.  Ninja Jordan   Nov-19-06 10:59 PM   #39 
     - Agreed...nt  kster   Nov-20-06 12:45 AM   #74 
  - To do what, escape their duty to the country?  Erika   Nov-19-06 10:13 PM   #19 
  - and get a boatload of new GOP members  YOY   Nov-20-06 09:32 AM   #97 
  - Not if they couple that support with a pledge to not fight wars for private profit.  1932   Nov-20-06 07:10 AM   #88 
  - Jesus, and people wonder why the term "liberal" has been so easily demonized  Azathoth   Nov-19-06 10:21 PM   #24 
  - Yep. Let all sacrifice equally.  Erika   Nov-19-06 10:29 PM   #30 
     - How the fuck is a draft "equal sacrifice"?  Azathoth   Nov-19-06 10:37 PM   #33 
     - Oh but this time it will be all perfect,.  Warren Stupidity   Nov-20-06 07:03 AM   #84 
     - Yeah, because it worked so well during the Vietnam War's 10 year run (nm)  Ninja Jordan   Nov-19-06 11:01 PM   #41 
        - It will be done differently this time  Erika   Nov-19-06 11:49 PM   #59 
           - ROFL  Mythsaje   Nov-19-06 11:54 PM   #63 
           - Yeah but they are kept them from declaring themselves  Erika   Nov-19-06 11:58 PM   #64 
              - Yeah, and in the meantime  Mythsaje   Nov-20-06 12:02 AM   #66 
           - Ah, the rallying cry of those determined to repeat history  Azathoth   Nov-20-06 12:08 AM   #69 
  - Revised draft laws ended the Vietnam "war."  Another Bill C.   Nov-19-06 10:39 PM   #34 
  - Exactly n/t  Erika   Nov-19-06 10:47 PM   #35 
  - ummm...didn't the Volunteer army also start in 1973? You may say "IT"  The Count   Nov-19-06 11:40 PM   #51 
     - No, you can't.  Another Bill C.   Nov-20-06 12:21 AM   #72 
        - The draft was nearly inoperative by the time the lottery was started.  Warren Stupidity   Nov-20-06 06:54 AM   #79 
  - I don't believe I'm fucking hearing this.  Beam Me Up   Nov-19-06 10:58 PM   #38 
  - Ah, then you're on the same page I am...  Mythsaje   Nov-19-06 11:07 PM   #43 
  - Totally on the same page.  Beam Me Up   Nov-19-06 11:14 PM   #44 
     - Absolutely...  Mythsaje   Nov-19-06 11:17 PM   #45 
        - They don't get it. When you're in the military you give up your citizen rights.  Beam Me Up   Nov-19-06 11:41 PM   #53 
        - OK, so you think the current military situation is just fine, right? The same kids, going to Iraq,  BleedingHeartPatriot   Nov-20-06 07:02 AM   #83 
           - No it isn't fine. The way to fix that problem is to cut off funding.  Warren Stupidity   Nov-20-06 07:05 AM   #85 
              - Americans won't rally to cut funding the way they'll rally to stop a draft.  BleedingHeartPatriot   Nov-20-06 07:23 AM   #91 
  - So with you! And blame those wars on the Democrats too!  The Count   Nov-19-06 11:39 PM   #50 
  - It's the Twilight Zone. Here comes Rod Serling...  Common Sense Party   Nov-19-06 11:43 PM   #54 
  - Trust in Rangel  Erika   Nov-19-06 11:46 PM   #56 
     - Sorry, I'm not that brain dead.  Beam Me Up   Nov-19-06 11:51 PM   #61 
        - Rangel will control them  Erika   Nov-20-06 12:00 AM   #65 
           - And when Rangel is gone?  Buzz Clik   Nov-20-06 12:05 AM   #67 
              - Expecting all to sacrifice equally is not wrong  Erika   Nov-20-06 12:11 AM   #70 
                 - But that will never happen...  Mythsaje   Nov-20-06 12:31 AM   #73 
  - Bush's war will become Rangel's war - coffins on TV and all  The Count   Nov-19-06 11:32 PM   #47 
  - Rangel has called the GOP hand  Erika   Nov-19-06 11:47 PM   #58 
     - This is a bluff? It's a dangerous game.  Buzz Clik   Nov-20-06 12:06 AM   #68 
     - Alright, explain exactly how he has called their hand  Azathoth   Nov-20-06 12:12 AM   #71 
     - Shouldn't you be helping some airline protect us from breast feeding?  The Count   Nov-20-06 05:14 AM   #75 
  - Start with old men serving in the House of Representatives. Draft  Tom Joad   Nov-19-06 11:33 PM   #48 
  - Now THAT, I can get behind.  Beam Me Up   Nov-19-06 11:45 PM   #55 
  - There you go...  Mythsaje   Nov-19-06 11:51 PM   #62 
  - That's what I said HERE  Mythsaje   Nov-19-06 11:50 PM   #60 
  - No way. I have 2 teens. Don't let Bush get his hands on them!  Liberty Belle   Nov-19-06 11:41 PM   #52 
  - Why don't the people who support the war send their kids????  Jacklyn75   Nov-20-06 05:19 AM   #76 
  - Rangel Is "Right"?  USA_1   Nov-20-06 05:23 AM   #77 
  - Morning news: Democrats want to restart the draft!  Warren Stupidity   Nov-20-06 06:55 AM   #81 
  - Good. People may just start talking about this, instead of Tom Cruise's marriage.  BleedingHeartPatriot   Nov-20-06 07:27 AM   #92 
  - I agree with you! n/t  Claire Beth   Nov-20-06 07:40 AM   #94 
  - How old are you and do you have children?  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-20-06 09:23 AM   #95 
  - No, he is not  YOY   Nov-20-06 09:29 AM   #96 

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