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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #75
82. Confusing the issue
There are two issues here.

One: the vote, up or down, on giving the president the ability to protect America's interests.

Two: the use of that decision to actually go to war, or to use diplomacy accompanied by the THREAT of using force to protect America's interests.

I did not make any of this up. It is history.

I am not trying to rationalize the war. Just the vote that gave * the opportunity to do so. Frankly, had I the means to have voted on IWR, I would have voted NO. But I can see the why of some Dems voting yes. It is not a rationalization of the war itself, there is none for that.

Bring the troops home. Now.
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  -IWR-- I said it then, I'll say it again BeFree  Feb-08-04 11:34 PM   #0 
  - Playing  DannyRed   Feb-08-04 11:38 PM   #1 
  - you got that right  For PaisAn   Feb-08-04 11:55 PM   #3 
  - Who is really complicit?  BeFree   Feb-09-04 09:31 AM   #65 
     - No, the country did not vote to install more pugs  redqueen   Feb-09-04 11:50 AM   #84 
  - The pugs voted 100% for war  BeFree   Feb-09-04 12:02 AM   #4 
  - A case of "my hands are bloody," but " your hands are bloodier?"  revcarol   Feb-09-04 12:08 AM   #6 
  - Actually some pugs voted no like ron paul  corporatewhore   Feb-09-04 12:57 AM   #19 
  - You are correct...  BeFree   Feb-09-04 01:05 AM   #20 
     - And you would still be WRONG.  DannyRed   Feb-09-04 01:18 AM   #22 
        - Chafee voted no?  BeFree   Feb-09-04 01:34 AM   #24 
           - Your discussion about this issue bothers me greatly  Leilani   Feb-09-04 03:52 AM   #40 
           - It is, however, a discussion we must have  BeFree   Feb-09-04 09:54 AM   #66 
           - WHO GIVES A F*** WHO IS TO "BLAME"???  IrateCitizen   Feb-09-04 08:02 AM   #60 
              - A freakin men!  Forkboy   Feb-09-04 11:16 AM   #79 
              - EXACTLY!  redqueen   Feb-09-04 11:49 AM   #83 
  - Remember-over 60% of Merkins said we should nuke Iraq if it used WMD.  JohnOneillsMemory   Feb-09-04 01:37 AM   #25 
  - Well Said, Mr. Memory!  The Magistrate   Feb-09-04 09:46 PM   #100 
  - Absolutely right.  Old and In the Way   Feb-09-04 01:39 AM   #26 
  - 1 Republican voted against the war.  JVS   Feb-09-04 02:18 AM   #35 
  - I couldn't agree more, DannyRed!  maxr4clark   Feb-09-04 01:43 AM   #28 
  - You've got that right...  JDWalley   Feb-09-04 04:26 AM   #42 
  - 532 dead GIs, 3003 wounded GIs, over 10,000 Iraqi casualties  IndianaGreen   Feb-09-04 07:48 AM   #57 
     - And I fervently second your point, IG  IrateCitizen   Feb-09-04 07:58 AM   #59 
     - Ya know what? It's politics  BeFree   Feb-09-04 10:12 AM   #67 
        - If it's not in your control, then why try and justify it?  IrateCitizen   Feb-09-04 10:25 AM   #68 
           - Not justifying anything  BeFree   Feb-09-04 10:47 AM   #71 
              - This is your justification, BeFree -- from your original post  IrateCitizen   Feb-09-04 10:56 AM   #73 
                 - You win...  BeFree   Feb-09-04 11:05 AM   #76 
                    - No, I'm not happy now  IrateCitizen   Feb-09-04 11:12 AM   #77 
     - 3003?  tinanator   Feb-09-04 08:26 AM   #61 
        - From lunaville  IndianaGreen   Feb-09-04 08:35 AM   #64 
  - Case reopened!  Democrats unite   Feb-08-04 11:39 PM   #2 
  - Thank you. That's why Kerry and/or Edwards will lose.  countmyvote4real   Feb-09-04 12:09 AM   #7 
  - may very well be why Gore had to lose  tinanator   Feb-09-04 08:28 AM   #62 
  - I will not forget. How many more unnecessary wars will kerry get us into?  zoeyfong   Feb-09-04 12:10 AM   #8 
  - Edwards, maybe, Kerry...NO  BeFree   Feb-09-04 12:10 AM   #9 
     - Please rephrase  DannyRed   Feb-09-04 12:34 AM   #13 
        - I'll give it a try.  Old and In the Way   Feb-09-04 01:31 AM   #23 
           - Nice job, Old and In the Way  BeFree   Feb-09-04 01:43 AM   #27 
           - Am I wrong on this? It seems there's been a war on Democrats  Old and In the Way   Feb-09-04 01:54 AM   #30 
              - You are correct  BeFree   Feb-09-04 02:07 AM   #32 
           - Trying very hard  DannyRed   Feb-09-04 02:05 AM   #31 
           - I wished I knew what to say....  BeFree   Feb-09-04 02:14 AM   #33 
           - So you agree with Condi, right?  Old and In the Way   Feb-09-04 02:15 AM   #34 
              - Do I agree with Condi Rice???  DannyRed   Feb-09-04 02:31 AM   #36 
                 - Did you think "Arms for Hostages" was a conspiracy?  Old and In the Way   Feb-09-04 02:53 AM   #37 
                    - Once again,  DannyRed   Feb-09-04 03:31 AM   #38 
                       - Well, to each his own opinions.  Old and In the Way   Feb-09-04 04:47 PM   #91 
           - They did WHAT...?????  JDWalley   Feb-09-04 04:38 AM   #44 
              - Well said, JD  DannyRed   Feb-09-04 04:52 AM   #45 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-09-04 12:04 AM   #5 
  - It can also be laid at the feet of the "System"  BeFree   Feb-09-04 12:22 AM   #10 
  - NO.  DannyRed   Feb-09-04 12:37 AM   #14 
     - The system is no 'cheap scapegoat'  BeFree   Feb-09-04 12:51 AM   #17 
  - Do people honestly think a no vote would have kept us out of Iraq?  DjTj   Feb-09-04 12:31 AM   #11 
     - Excuse me?  DannyRed   Feb-09-04 12:43 AM   #16 
        - If what Clinton did with Kosovo...  DjTj   Feb-09-04 09:42 PM   #99 
  - Bush is the one who turned this into a mid-term crisis in 2002  NNN0LHI   Feb-09-04 12:34 AM   #12 
  - It was with so much bravado that Chimpy said "show your cards"  oasis   Feb-09-04 12:41 AM   #15 
  - If Kerry wanted to be pro-war in a politically expedient way,  foktarded   Feb-09-04 12:56 AM   #18 
  - Had he voted NO...  BeFree   Feb-09-04 01:12 AM   #21 
  - lame rationalization  Iverson   Feb-09-04 06:09 AM   #50 
     - It's politics  BeFree   Feb-09-04 10:31 AM   #69 
        - If you truly want that future, then stop justifying the status quo.  IrateCitizen   Feb-09-04 10:36 AM   #70 
           - Not justifying anything  BeFree   Feb-09-04 10:56 AM   #72 
              - Hey, you're free to do what you want  IrateCitizen   Feb-09-04 11:02 AM   #74 
                 - Not justification  BeFree   Feb-09-04 11:22 AM   #80 
                    - I know.  Iverson   Feb-09-04 12:20 PM   #89 
  - Wrong.  Old and In the Way   Feb-09-04 01:46 AM   #29 
     - lame rationalization, part II  Iverson   Feb-09-04 06:19 AM   #52 
     - And I guess that those 500+ dead service members are pawns?  IrateCitizen   Feb-09-04 07:27 AM   #55 
  - Senate Democrats  rhite5   Feb-09-04 03:44 AM   #39 
  - Indeed...  DannyRed   Feb-09-04 04:06 AM   #41 
  - AMEN! And another point about Kerry...  JDWalley   Feb-09-04 04:57 AM   #47 
  - "It is time to stop making excuses for them!"  redqueen   Feb-09-04 12:35 PM   #90 
  - Must be frustrating to be so consistently wrong!  Egnever   Feb-09-04 04:35 AM   #43 
  - Thanks.  DannyRed   Feb-09-04 04:56 AM   #46 
     - I don't think Kerry supporters are "closet Republican wannabes"...  JDWalley   Feb-09-04 05:04 AM   #48 
  - A different viewpoint on this  MadHound   Feb-09-04 06:09 AM   #49 
  - Agreed, but here is the problem  quaker bill   Feb-09-04 06:13 AM   #51 
  - There in lies the rub  MidwestMomma   Feb-09-04 10:06 PM   #101 
  - Too bad so many  dusty64   Feb-09-04 06:38 AM   #53 
  - I'm certain that this strategizing is a consolation...  IrateCitizen   Feb-09-04 07:25 AM   #54 
  - Case not close. That rope is still being played out  HFishbine   Feb-09-04 07:34 AM   #56 
  - A lot of us don't want to vote for a politician who hedged his bets.  chimpy the poopthrower   Feb-09-04 07:56 AM   #58 
  - Some may have hedged their bets. Not John Kerry.  bigtree   Feb-09-04 07:56 PM   #96 
  - At what price? Half a thousand dead soldiers so far doesn't seem  MrsGrumpy   Feb-09-04 08:28 AM   #63 
  - first we are rationalize slighting gays of our civil rights now we are  corporatewhore   Feb-09-04 11:04 AM   #75 
  - Confusing the issue  BeFree   Feb-09-04 11:43 AM   #82 
     - "on giving the president the ability to protect America's interests"  redqueen   Feb-09-04 12:20 PM   #88 
        - America's interest's  BeFree   Feb-09-04 05:40 PM   #93 
  - Case closed is right  Forkboy   Feb-09-04 11:15 AM   #78 
  - 20,000+ innocents  BeFree   Feb-09-04 11:33 AM   #81 
     - It's laughable (or insulting) to compare this mess in Iraq to WW2  Forkboy   Feb-09-04 11:52 AM   #85 
        - No comparisons made  BeFree   Feb-09-04 12:02 PM   #86 
           - First you try to justify this vote  Forkboy   Feb-09-04 12:16 PM   #87 
              - Fair nd balanced...  BeFree   Feb-09-04 05:25 PM   #92 
                 - We know you are not trying to justify the war itself  rhite5   Feb-09-04 08:54 PM   #97 
                    - From the beginning when IWR was passed  BeFree   Feb-09-04 09:24 PM   #98 
  - Edwards voted against all 4 proposed IWR amendments  cajun4clark   Feb-09-04 06:15 PM   #94 
     - Yours is a dubious argument without facts and proof that Kerry opposed  bigtree   Feb-09-04 07:54 PM   #95 
 

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