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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 06:21 PM
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33. If what you say is true
then please explain why the IRS dropped felony tax evasion charges with prejudice, and not just the charge related to failure to file a 1040.

You dissmiss the procurement of a legal OMB number as a simple formality that may be easily side stepped in a bureaucratic manner, and go into no detail on the legal requirements that must be met to have a legitimate OMB number issued. That is exactly the same argument the IRS is so fond of making "we don't have to show you the law, we don't have to abide by the law, we will make our own laws as we go along, and we will tell the judge when your defense threatens our case against you, to allow no further evidence to be submitted in your defense along those lines."

Obviously such sidestepping left the IRS with it's ass in the breeze this time as they DID dismiss the felony charges of tax evasion, with prejudice, meaning they will have no means of collecting the taxes that they originally claimed due in this instance, short of once again ignoring the law and subjecting the defendant to double jeopardy. Even if the defendant were successfully taken to civil court he would not face the criminal penalty nor most likely interest.

"Don't need to... Because I know." Denial ain't a river.

I understand that facts challenging one's belief system are never accepted lightly, but you are obviously wrong in your statement "They have lost and gone to jail... Or alternatively, they have paid their taxes with penalty and interest." And you tell others to stop spreading urban myths.

The disagreement here is not whether they can take you to jail, take your house, or provide legal cover to do so, they obviously can and do. The disagreement is to the legitimacy of said legal cover.

I don't have a problem supporting my country with an income tax if it were going to those ends, it is not. Our taxes pay only the interest on the debt accumulated to a non government entity who produces paper from thin air and calls it money, charging interest on said money.

If we collected every dollar in existence and handed them back to the federal reserve, what would we give them to pay the interest on the loan?

Answer this one question or continue rowing with one oar. Why won't the IRS sit down in a public forum and address the questions from a sincere group of people and provide the evidence of the legal right to tax income and put this to bed once and for all?

Until they do, no discussion here between the "Urban Mythers" nor the "IRS is not Legal" crowd will change anything.

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  -Can Income Tax Actually Be Unconstitutional ? hpot  Oct-29-06 08:49 PM   #0 
  - Um...16th Amendment:  eyesroll   Oct-29-06 08:51 PM   #1 
  - Before you form any conclusions....  mcscajun   Oct-29-06 08:52 PM   #2 
  - You are absolutely right.  DiktatrW   Oct-29-06 08:58 PM   #5 
  - ain't that the truth  judaspriestess   Oct-29-06 09:32 PM   #16 
  - Are you stating it doesn't matter if its legal or not?  shance   Oct-29-06 09:48 PM   #19 
     - if you are asking me  judaspriestess   Oct-30-06 11:32 PM   #48 
  - a constitutional amendment allows income tax  flyingfysh   Oct-29-06 08:53 PM   #3 
  - You saw the video,  DiktatrW   Oct-29-06 08:55 PM   #4 
  - be careful with wikipedia.  michele77   Oct-29-06 08:58 PM   #6 
  - Quite so, but they're a good place to start.  mcscajun   Oct-29-06 09:26 PM   #12 
  - esp. since "they" are not likely to be experts in law, either.  Iris   Oct-31-06 06:59 AM   #51 
  - No, it's not Unconstitutional, due to the 16th Amendment  JHB   Oct-29-06 08:59 PM   #7 
  - Quote from New York Times  hpot   Oct-29-06 09:03 PM   #9 
     - Found More  hpot   Oct-29-06 09:14 PM   #11 
     - From the IRS site about the 1916 ruling  mcscajun   Oct-29-06 09:29 PM   #14 
  - The Urban Legend that will not die...  Jeff In Milwaukee   Oct-29-06 09:02 PM   #8 
  - That is not correct.  DiktatrW   Oct-29-06 10:10 PM   #21 
     - They have lost and gone to jail...  Jeff In Milwaukee   Oct-30-06 06:09 AM   #27 
        - Guess again.  DiktatrW   Oct-30-06 04:19 PM   #30 
           - Don't need to...  Jeff In Milwaukee   Oct-30-06 05:06 PM   #31 
              - If what you say is true  DiktatrW   Oct-30-06 06:21 PM   #33 
                 - Tell you what...  Jeff In Milwaukee   Oct-30-06 08:00 PM   #34 
                    - When the right comes to round up the left  DiktatrW   Oct-30-06 08:11 PM   #35 
                    - Oh and by the way  DiktatrW   Oct-30-06 08:37 PM   #36 
                    - Too much bother for your beautiful mind?  DiktatrW   Oct-30-06 09:30 PM   #37 
                    - The prosecutors say.........  tkmorris   Oct-30-06 10:29 PM   #42 
                    - link?  DiktatrW   Oct-30-06 10:46 PM   #45 
                    - Frankly, yes...  Jeff In Milwaukee   Oct-30-06 11:10 PM   #47 
                       - Damn son,  DiktatrW   Oct-31-06 06:50 AM   #50 
                          - But you're going to pay your taxes this year, right?  Jeff In Milwaukee   Oct-31-06 06:57 PM   #52 
                    - You equate enforcement of a federal income tax with its constitutionality  Ninja Jordan   Oct-30-06 09:38 PM   #39 
                       - Newsflash: Courts determine constitutionality.  Zynx   Oct-30-06 10:41 PM   #44 
                          - Courts also derive their money from taxes...  DiktatrW   Oct-30-06 10:52 PM   #46 
  - forget that Bullsh-t  Lexingtonian   Oct-29-06 09:04 PM   #10 
  - The income tax is backed up by an amendment to the constitution  Warpy   Oct-29-06 09:26 PM   #13 
  - A Court Order is now required  hpot   Oct-29-06 09:31 PM   #15 
     - That website is run by a RW crank and tax scam artist.  mcscajun   Oct-29-06 09:46 PM   #18 
  - Ask Wesley Snipes-nt  sampsonblk   Oct-29-06 09:41 PM   #17 
  - lol  hpot   Oct-29-06 09:52 PM   #20 
  - I saw that movie, he leaves out several supreme court cases  Hippo_Tron   Oct-29-06 10:19 PM   #22 
  - A few things bothered me too  hpot   Oct-29-06 10:56 PM   #24 
  - i got a great idea!!!  ldf   Oct-29-06 10:48 PM   #23 
  - It is not about greed  hpot   Oct-29-06 11:37 PM   #25 
     - Let Me Pump A GOP Viewpoint ...  primative1   Oct-30-06 06:43 AM   #29 
     - Because the federal reserve has done a fairly good job of...  Hippo_Tron   Oct-30-06 09:35 PM   #38 
  - With so many abuses of our constitution going on, who can keep track?  quantessd   Oct-29-06 11:39 PM   #26 
  - Like it matters..  sendero   Oct-30-06 06:29 AM   #28 
  - oh please...read the 16th Amendment, and then shut up.  MrCoffee   Oct-30-06 05:14 PM   #32 
  - Nope...check the 16th amendment...  ddeclue   Oct-30-06 09:39 PM   #40 
  - If you don't pay your taxes, IRS will be backed by the full force of military  fuzzyball   Oct-30-06 10:07 PM   #41 
  - This is old as hell. It's also wrong. Test it, you go to jail.  Zynx   Oct-30-06 10:38 PM   #43 
  - Google "Irwin Schiff"  Joe Bacon   Oct-30-06 11:40 PM   #49 
  - the basis of the dispute is the definition of 'income' and 'wages'..  Rosco T.   Oct-31-06 07:23 PM   #53 
  - Locking  The Magistrate   Oct-31-06 07:42 PM   #54 
 

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