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Mon Oct-30-06 06:21 PM
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then please explain why the IRS dropped felony tax evasion charges with prejudice, and not just the charge related to failure to file a 1040.
You dissmiss the procurement of a legal OMB number as a simple formality that may be easily side stepped in a bureaucratic manner, and go into no detail on the legal requirements that must be met to have a legitimate OMB number issued. That is exactly the same argument the IRS is so fond of making "we don't have to show you the law, we don't have to abide by the law, we will make our own laws as we go along, and we will tell the judge when your defense threatens our case against you, to allow no further evidence to be submitted in your defense along those lines."
Obviously such sidestepping left the IRS with it's ass in the breeze this time as they DID dismiss the felony charges of tax evasion, with prejudice, meaning they will have no means of collecting the taxes that they originally claimed due in this instance, short of once again ignoring the law and subjecting the defendant to double jeopardy. Even if the defendant were successfully taken to civil court he would not face the criminal penalty nor most likely interest.
"Don't need to... Because I know." Denial ain't a river.
I understand that facts challenging one's belief system are never accepted lightly, but you are obviously wrong in your statement "They have lost and gone to jail... Or alternatively, they have paid their taxes with penalty and interest." And you tell others to stop spreading urban myths.
The disagreement here is not whether they can take you to jail, take your house, or provide legal cover to do so, they obviously can and do. The disagreement is to the legitimacy of said legal cover.
I don't have a problem supporting my country with an income tax if it were going to those ends, it is not. Our taxes pay only the interest on the debt accumulated to a non government entity who produces paper from thin air and calls it money, charging interest on said money.
If we collected every dollar in existence and handed them back to the federal reserve, what would we give them to pay the interest on the loan?
Answer this one question or continue rowing with one oar. Why won't the IRS sit down in a public forum and address the questions from a sincere group of people and provide the evidence of the legal right to tax income and put this to bed once and for all?
Until they do, no discussion here between the "Urban Mythers" nor the "IRS is not Legal" crowd will change anything.
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| -Can Income Tax Actually Be Unconstitutional ? |
hpot |
Oct-29-06 08:49 PM |
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Um...16th Amendment: |
eyesroll |
Oct-29-06 08:51 PM |
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Before you form any conclusions.... |
mcscajun |
Oct-29-06 08:52 PM |
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You are absolutely right. |
DiktatrW |
Oct-29-06 08:58 PM |
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ain't that the truth |
judaspriestess |
Oct-29-06 09:32 PM |
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Are you stating it doesn't matter if its legal or not? |
shance |
Oct-29-06 09:48 PM |
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if you are asking me |
judaspriestess |
Oct-30-06 11:32 PM |
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a constitutional amendment allows income tax |
flyingfysh |
Oct-29-06 08:53 PM |
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You saw the video, |
DiktatrW |
Oct-29-06 08:55 PM |
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be careful with wikipedia. |
michele77 |
Oct-29-06 08:58 PM |
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Quite so, but they're a good place to start. |
mcscajun |
Oct-29-06 09:26 PM |
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esp. since "they" are not likely to be experts in law, either. |
Iris |
Oct-31-06 06:59 AM |
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No, it's not Unconstitutional, due to the 16th Amendment |
JHB |
Oct-29-06 08:59 PM |
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Quote from New York Times |
hpot |
Oct-29-06 09:03 PM |
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Found More |
hpot |
Oct-29-06 09:14 PM |
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From the IRS site about the 1916 ruling |
mcscajun |
Oct-29-06 09:29 PM |
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The Urban Legend that will not die... |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Oct-29-06 09:02 PM |
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That is not correct. |
DiktatrW |
Oct-29-06 10:10 PM |
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They have lost and gone to jail... |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Oct-30-06 06:09 AM |
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Guess again. |
DiktatrW |
Oct-30-06 04:19 PM |
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Don't need to... |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Oct-30-06 05:06 PM |
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If what you say is true |
DiktatrW |
Oct-30-06 06:21 PM |
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Tell you what... |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Oct-30-06 08:00 PM |
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When the right comes to round up the left |
DiktatrW |
Oct-30-06 08:11 PM |
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Oh and by the way |
DiktatrW |
Oct-30-06 08:37 PM |
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Too much bother for your beautiful mind? |
DiktatrW |
Oct-30-06 09:30 PM |
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The prosecutors say......... |
tkmorris |
Oct-30-06 10:29 PM |
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link? |
DiktatrW |
Oct-30-06 10:46 PM |
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Frankly, yes... |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Oct-30-06 11:10 PM |
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Damn son, |
DiktatrW |
Oct-31-06 06:50 AM |
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But you're going to pay your taxes this year, right? |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Oct-31-06 06:57 PM |
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You equate enforcement of a federal income tax with its constitutionality |
Ninja Jordan |
Oct-30-06 09:38 PM |
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Newsflash: Courts determine constitutionality. |
Zynx |
Oct-30-06 10:41 PM |
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Courts also derive their money from taxes... |
DiktatrW |
Oct-30-06 10:52 PM |
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forget that Bullsh-t |
Lexingtonian |
Oct-29-06 09:04 PM |
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The income tax is backed up by an amendment to the constitution |
Warpy |
Oct-29-06 09:26 PM |
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A Court Order is now required |
hpot |
Oct-29-06 09:31 PM |
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That website is run by a RW crank and tax scam artist. |
mcscajun |
Oct-29-06 09:46 PM |
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Ask Wesley Snipes-nt |
sampsonblk |
Oct-29-06 09:41 PM |
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lol |
hpot |
Oct-29-06 09:52 PM |
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I saw that movie, he leaves out several supreme court cases |
Hippo_Tron |
Oct-29-06 10:19 PM |
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A few things bothered me too |
hpot |
Oct-29-06 10:56 PM |
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i got a great idea!!! |
ldf |
Oct-29-06 10:48 PM |
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It is not about greed |
hpot |
Oct-29-06 11:37 PM |
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Let Me Pump A GOP Viewpoint ... |
primative1 |
Oct-30-06 06:43 AM |
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Because the federal reserve has done a fairly good job of... |
Hippo_Tron |
Oct-30-06 09:35 PM |
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With so many abuses of our constitution going on, who can keep track? |
quantessd |
Oct-29-06 11:39 PM |
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Like it matters.. |
sendero |
Oct-30-06 06:29 AM |
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oh please...read the 16th Amendment, and then shut up. |
MrCoffee |
Oct-30-06 05:14 PM |
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Nope...check the 16th amendment... |
ddeclue |
Oct-30-06 09:39 PM |
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If you don't pay your taxes, IRS will be backed by the full force of military |
fuzzyball |
Oct-30-06 10:07 PM |
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This is old as hell. It's also wrong. Test it, you go to jail. |
Zynx |
Oct-30-06 10:38 PM |
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Google "Irwin Schiff" |
Joe Bacon |
Oct-30-06 11:40 PM |
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the basis of the dispute is the definition of 'income' and 'wages'.. |
Rosco T. |
Oct-31-06 07:23 PM |
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Locking |
The Magistrate |
Oct-31-06 07:42 PM |
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