| -Liberalism use to stand for more than Gay Rights and Abortion on Demand... |
WCGreen |
Oct-25-06 11:21 PM |
#0 |
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Thoughtful and well-argued |
JeffR |
Oct-25-06 11:25 PM |
#1 |
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Gee, ya think? Someone dismisses equal rights as unimportant, you expect fireworks? |
Zhade |
Oct-26-06 12:11 AM |
#69 |
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I'm absolutely on your side about rights |
JeffR |
Oct-26-06 12:22 AM |
#83 |
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Retail politics, indeed. Good post, JeffR. |
pnwmom |
Oct-26-06 01:48 AM |
#143 |
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Yes, it IS code, and we all know it -- we've been hearing it for years |
LostinVA |
Oct-26-06 06:19 AM |
#164 |
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I can only imagine the evil hate-filled crap you've been hearing, LVA |
JeffR |
Oct-26-06 07:18 AM |
#176 |
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very well said, Zhade. thank you. "FUCK THAT"! yes. eom |
nofurylike |
Oct-26-06 01:08 AM |
#117 |
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Oh yes, the profanity always strengthens any argument. |
pnwmom |
Oct-26-06 01:49 AM |
#145 |
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please follow the thread. that message was one of support |
nofurylike |
Oct-26-06 11:13 AM |
#246 |
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I agree entirely |
TechBear_Seattle |
Oct-26-06 09:17 AM |
#199 |
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Retail, not real, politics was the issue |
JeffR |
Oct-26-06 09:23 AM |
#204 |
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"Would you rather slit your own wrists or be murdered in your sleep?" |
TechBear_Seattle |
Oct-26-06 09:26 AM |
#205 |
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That's how you see the choice? Really? |
JeffR |
Oct-26-06 09:30 AM |
#208 |
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For the most part, yes, as do many gay people |
TechBear_Seattle |
Oct-26-06 10:04 AM |
#222 |
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Beautifully said |
JeffR |
Oct-26-06 10:21 AM |
#227 |
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Notice how when other people's rights are denied |
Solly Mack |
Oct-26-06 11:21 AM |
#248 |
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In the real world of politcs, several people and many organizations |
WCGreen |
Oct-26-06 12:08 PM |
#266 |
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I'm psychic. I'm Kreskin. I'm Jeanne Dixon. I'm Nostradamus. |
JeffR |
Oct-26-06 12:25 AM |
#87 |
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Tell you what, YOU give some of your rights up for good |
LostinVA |
Oct-26-06 06:16 AM |
#162 |
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read my response to you above (and forgive me this silliness here) |
JeffR |
Oct-26-06 07:25 AM |
#179 |
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You've sure swallowed the Republican memes |
Der Blaue Engel |
Oct-25-06 11:27 PM |
#2 |
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No, I haven't.... |
WCGreen |
Oct-25-06 11:33 PM |
#7 |
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That, Ma'am, Strikes Me As A Rather Pointless Comment |
The Magistrate |
Oct-25-06 11:41 PM |
#19 |
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That, sir, strikes me as extraordinarily naive |
Der Blaue Engel |
Oct-25-06 11:47 PM |
#30 |
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It Is One Of The Pleasure Of Age, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Oct-25-06 11:55 PM |
#43 |
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Frivolous |
Der Blaue Engel |
Oct-26-06 12:01 AM |
#55 |
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My Comment, Ma'am, Spoke Only Of My Own Age |
The Magistrate |
Oct-26-06 12:08 AM |
#65 |
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There are some principles that one must stand by regardless of popularity |
Der Blaue Engel |
Oct-26-06 12:13 AM |
#72 |
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Perhaps, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Oct-26-06 12:20 AM |
#79 |
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That is a false dichotomy |
Der Blaue Engel |
Oct-26-06 12:29 AM |
#94 |
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It Is Not A False Dichotomy, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Oct-26-06 12:33 AM |
#97 |
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I don't agree with you |
Der Blaue Engel |
Oct-26-06 12:41 AM |
#101 |
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Nor Does Your Disagreeing Make Me Wrong, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Oct-26-06 12:47 AM |
#108 |
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But it often is a real outcome. For example, most progressives |
pnwmom |
Oct-26-06 12:34 AM |
#99 |
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But you see, you're using more liberal/less liberal |
Der Blaue Engel |
Oct-26-06 12:43 AM |
#105 |
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"but I will not concede ANY human right as being negotiable." yes! |
nofurylike |
Oct-26-06 12:50 AM |
#109 |
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ALL civil rights are NOW NEGOTIABLE, in this new Bush-world we're |
pnwmom |
Oct-26-06 12:51 AM |
#110 |
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I find myself wondering what MLK or Gandhi |
Der Blaue Engel |
Oct-26-06 01:02 AM |
#114 |
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Doctor King, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Oct-26-06 01:11 AM |
#120 |
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Another unequal comparison |
Der Blaue Engel |
Oct-26-06 01:23 AM |
#127 |
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All I'm hoping for is that the NJ legislature will wait another 14 |
pnwmom |
Oct-26-06 01:26 AM |
#131 |
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That is hugely different |
Der Blaue Engel |
Oct-26-06 01:40 AM |
#135 |
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Thank you. That's all I ask. |
pnwmom |
Oct-26-06 01:51 AM |
#146 |
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It Illustrates The Point, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Oct-26-06 01:48 AM |
#144 |
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But any right that get delayed |
ThomCat |
Oct-26-06 10:11 AM |
#224 |
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Exactly. |
Pithlet |
Oct-26-06 11:32 AM |
#257 |
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In My View, Ma'am, That Is A Good Decision |
The Magistrate |
Oct-26-06 01:05 PM |
#288 |
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MLK was a pragmatist. He wouldn't want to see all our |
pnwmom |
Oct-26-06 01:29 AM |
#133 |
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I think you're wrong. |
ThomCat |
Oct-26-06 11:22 AM |
#249 |
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MLK believed in relentless non-violent resistance. |
haruka3_2000 |
Oct-26-06 11:30 AM |
#255 |
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People who think civil right are negotiable always seem to |
ThomCat |
Oct-26-06 07:18 AM |
#177 |
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In the face of the evidence, I can't quite agree on that point |
JeffR |
Oct-26-06 07:33 AM |
#181 |
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But that perception is not so much based upon what the Left does advocate |
Unvanguard |
Oct-26-06 03:47 AM |
#157 |
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But these particular talking points happen to be partly true, which is |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-25-06 11:56 PM |
#45 |
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For starters, we're asking for EQUAL, not "gay", rights. |
Zhade |
Oct-26-06 12:05 AM |
#62 |
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My Views On That, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Oct-26-06 12:13 AM |
#71 |
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If you condone selling out, just state it. |
Erika |
Oct-26-06 01:15 AM |
#123 |
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Show me where he condones selling out. |
SheWhoMustBeObeyed |
Oct-26-06 02:25 AM |
#147 |
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"EQUAL, not 'gay', rights" - exactly, Zhade! thank you for your |
nofurylike |
Oct-26-06 01:26 AM |
#130 |
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Indeed n/t |
TechBear_Seattle |
Oct-26-06 09:19 AM |
#201 |
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Reggae Culture is typically Anti-Abortion and not supportive of gay rights |
Sensitivity |
Oct-25-06 11:28 PM |
#3 |
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Yes, they would condone abandoning women and gay rights |
Erika |
Oct-25-06 11:39 PM |
#14 |
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Miss the point -- Liberal, even radical is not equated with those issues |
Sensitivity |
Oct-25-06 11:54 PM |
#40 |
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I'd point out that this emphasis is largely in response to the right's |
Phredicles |
Oct-25-06 11:28 PM |
#4 |
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We need to get elected first.... |
WCGreen |
Oct-25-06 11:33 PM |
#8 |
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But they harp on abortion and gay rights because we did first-- |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-26-06 12:02 AM |
#58 |
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What are you talking about? |
Erika |
Oct-25-06 11:31 PM |
#5 |
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Yes we have have... |
WCGreen |
Oct-25-06 11:34 PM |
#9 |
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This is fascinating, and very well written! |
CaliforniaPeggy |
Oct-25-06 11:31 PM |
#6 |
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A republican lite party is not one I wish to condone |
Erika |
Oct-25-06 11:35 PM |
#10 |
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It's not republican lite to not embrace the whole Gay Agenda |
WCGreen |
Oct-25-06 11:38 PM |
#12 |
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The Gay Agenda?? |
Der Blaue Engel |
Oct-25-06 11:39 PM |
#15 |
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I did say that.... |
WCGreen |
Oct-25-06 11:42 PM |
#20 |
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We have gay civil marriages up here in Canada and the sky hasn't fallen. |
IntravenousDemilo |
Oct-26-06 12:08 AM |
#66 |
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Okay, then what do you call a group of people gathering together |
WCGreen |
Oct-26-06 12:20 AM |
#80 |
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Don't play at words. You know precisely what I'm saying. |
IntravenousDemilo |
Oct-26-06 12:26 AM |
#90 |
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It's insutling.... |
WCGreen |
Oct-26-06 01:43 AM |
#138 |
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Extremely insulting. |
haruka3_2000 |
Oct-26-06 02:40 AM |
#150 |
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Someone Has Posted The Gay Agenda Here Several Times, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Oct-26-06 12:31 AM |
#96 |
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Civil unions are not equal. |
haruka3_2000 |
Oct-26-06 02:37 AM |
#148 |
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What have we gained |
pnwmom |
Oct-26-06 10:00 AM |
#220 |
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I'd prefer to see all marriages be civil unions, as is the case in |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-26-06 12:52 PM |
#283 |
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Perhaps I should have used Gay Marriage... |
WCGreen |
Oct-26-06 12:00 AM |
#51 |
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no, try it using "equal rights." how's it sound now? eom |
nofurylike |
Oct-26-06 12:06 AM |
#64 |
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BS. Next? Deny blacks equal wages |
Erika |
Oct-25-06 11:41 PM |
#18 |
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Give me a break.... |
WCGreen |
Oct-25-06 11:43 PM |
#23 |
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You are endorsing a sell out of minority rights to win an election |
Erika |
Oct-25-06 11:48 PM |
#31 |
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No I am not.... |
WCGreen |
Oct-25-06 11:53 PM |
#38 |
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Yes, you are. |
ThomCat |
Oct-26-06 09:40 AM |
#212 |
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Not Liebermans, no |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-26-06 10:44 AM |
#234 |
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"for the little person" |
ThomCat |
Oct-26-06 10:52 AM |
#239 |
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You're saying that GLBT people are never "little people" in the |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-26-06 11:37 AM |
#259 |
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No. You did. |
ThomCat |
Oct-26-06 11:38 AM |
#260 |
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On a nationwide basis, GLBT rights are slowly but surely winning |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-26-06 12:11 PM |
#267 |
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As a middle aged gay man |
ThomCat |
Oct-26-06 12:19 PM |
#271 |
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Exactly! |
LostinVA |
Oct-26-06 06:22 AM |
#165 |
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"Gay Agenda"? twisted. bye. eom |
nofurylike |
Oct-25-06 11:47 PM |
#29 |
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A gay agenda? I can't believe a dem would post this thought |
Erika |
Oct-25-06 11:52 PM |
#37 |
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i'm confused. if i implied i believe there is a "gay agenda," i |
nofurylike |
Oct-26-06 12:01 AM |
#52 |
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thank you, Erika, for your courageous effort to reason with those |
nofurylike |
Oct-26-06 01:05 AM |
#115 |
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Thanks and peace to all of us n/t |
Erika |
Oct-26-06 01:17 AM |
#125 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-26-06 06:23 AM |
#166 |
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Actually, it is Republican to even use the term "Gay Agenda" |
haruka3_2000 |
Oct-26-06 02:38 AM |
#149 |
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"...the whole Gay Agenda"??? I'm a GAY man and I'm unaware of |
Raster |
Oct-26-06 07:05 AM |
#173 |
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It's the radical right wing of the Republican party |
pnwmom |
Oct-25-06 11:44 PM |
#26 |
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You're thinking of liberalism purely in behavioral terms, |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-25-06 11:46 PM |
#27 |
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Stated elegantly... |
WCGreen |
Oct-25-06 11:54 PM |
#41 |
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Then you may have mine...if we're throwing people under the bus... |
MrsGrumpy |
Oct-26-06 06:53 AM |
#172 |
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Thanks for the thoughtful post, WCGreen. |
pnwmom |
Oct-25-06 11:37 PM |
#11 |
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And I support the new liberalism.... |
WCGreen |
Oct-25-06 11:40 PM |
#16 |
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gee, getting a little more than "slightly pissed," now that the white |
nofurylike |
Oct-25-06 11:39 PM |
#13 |
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Since 1989 when Bush I beat Dukakis |
WCGreen |
Oct-25-06 11:50 PM |
#33 |
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why then, you wrote you were "slightly pissed" in 1994? no need reply. |
nofurylike |
Oct-26-06 12:47 AM |
#107 |
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There is economic/political liberalism and behavioral liberalism |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-25-06 11:41 PM |
#17 |
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Well stated... |
WCGreen |
Oct-25-06 11:43 PM |
#22 |
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Your post is like the Germans saying if Nazism can be defeated |
Erika |
Oct-25-06 11:44 PM |
#24 |
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As A Matter Of Curiousity, Ma'am: What Does That Mean? |
The Magistrate |
Oct-25-06 11:48 PM |
#32 |
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Good question! |
pnwmom |
Oct-25-06 11:53 PM |
#39 |
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The Germans allowed discrimination by groups |
Erika |
Oct-25-06 11:57 PM |
#46 |
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That, Ma'am, Is Not Even Close To What You Said Above |
The Magistrate |
Oct-26-06 12:17 AM |
#75 |
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I disagree with your logic totally |
Erika |
Oct-26-06 01:01 AM |
#113 |
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You May Say It, Ma'am, But It Is Incorrect Just The Same |
The Magistrate |
Oct-26-06 01:14 AM |
#122 |
| -
I hope you two can agree to disagree. |
ThomCat |
Oct-26-06 10:56 AM |
#241 |
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I don't think your analogy holds water. |
pnwmom |
Oct-25-06 11:51 PM |
#34 |
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Nnnnooooo |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-25-06 11:51 PM |
#35 |
| -
yes, it is. eom |
nofurylike |
Oct-26-06 01:13 AM |
#121 |
| -
Terrible analogy. n/t |
casus belli |
Oct-26-06 12:19 PM |
#270 |
| -
I am profoundly disappointed |
Mme. Defarge |
Oct-25-06 11:43 PM |
#21 |
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Good point... |
WCGreen |
Oct-25-06 11:44 PM |
#25 |
| -
Exactly, sell out minority rights to get elected |
Erika |
Oct-25-06 11:46 PM |
#28 |
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Nobody is saying that. |
pnwmom |
Oct-25-06 11:52 PM |
#36 |
| -
May I suggest you look at the gay agenda remark? |
Erika |
Oct-25-06 11:54 PM |
#42 |
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Not outright |
Der Blaue Engel |
Oct-25-06 11:56 PM |
#44 |
| -
You know what... I'm tired... I have had a very long day... |
WCGreen |
Oct-25-06 11:57 PM |
#47 |
| -
Maybe your day isn't as long as others who have to tolerate |
Erika |
Oct-26-06 12:02 AM |
#57 |
| -
You know, Erika, I had to tolerate some "breeder" remarks |
pnwmom |
Oct-26-06 12:24 AM |
#86 |
| -
And? |
Erika |
Oct-26-06 12:33 AM |
#98 |
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And -- I think the poster who used the words "gay agenda" |
pnwmom |
Oct-26-06 12:41 AM |
#102 |
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Well, if you're stressed, you may slip up *once* and use it. |
haruka3_2000 |
Oct-26-06 02:44 AM |
#151 |
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What are you talking about.... |
WCGreen |
Oct-26-06 01:44 AM |
#139 |
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It's a RW talking point used to demean gays and deny them equal rights. |
haruka3_2000 |
Oct-26-06 02:47 AM |
#152 |
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And I of you.... |
WCGreen |
Oct-26-06 02:49 AM |
#153 |
| -
Hey, I'm not the one declaring people 2nd class citizens |
haruka3_2000 |
Oct-26-06 03:06 AM |
#155 |
| -
Yes, I am going to focus on that |
Der Blaue Engel |
Oct-26-06 12:09 AM |
#68 |
| -
Good for you..... |
WCGreen |
Oct-26-06 12:18 AM |
#77 |
| -
No, I am not ok with the term gay agenda being used |
Erika |
Oct-25-06 11:59 PM |
#50 |
| -
You and I are in agreement n/t |
Der Blaue Engel |
Oct-26-06 12:15 AM |
#73 |
| -
Me too -- it's a derogatory and RW term |
LostinVA |
Oct-26-06 06:27 AM |
#168 |
| -
I bet the poster regrets the unfortunate use of the term "gay agenda." |
pnwmom |
Oct-26-06 12:22 AM |
#81 |
| -
Sorry, I won't elect anyone who throws gays and women's rights |
Erika |
Oct-26-06 12:25 AM |
#88 |
| -
The good part is you probably don't live in a state where |
pnwmom |
Oct-26-06 12:44 AM |
#106 |
| -
Precisely.... |
WCGreen |
Oct-26-06 01:40 AM |
#136 |
| -
***No successful campaign has ever satisfied every constitutuent*** |
1932 |
Oct-26-06 09:16 AM |
#198 |
| -
Gays aren't an "interest group." |
LostinVA |
Oct-26-06 09:28 AM |
#206 |
| -
If they're not a consituency with particular interests, this thread would |
1932 |
Oct-26-06 09:37 AM |
#211 |
| -
Again, gays are not a special interest group asking for special rights |
LostinVA |
Oct-26-06 09:50 AM |
#215 |
| -
Are you stuck in 1932? |
haruka3_2000 |
Oct-26-06 09:51 AM |
#217 |
| -
That is EXACTLY what is being said. |
ThomCat |
Oct-26-06 07:22 AM |
#178 |
| -
Huh? |
Mme. Defarge |
Oct-25-06 11:58 PM |
#48 |
| -
Hitler, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Oct-26-06 12:02 AM |
#59 |
| -
Please tell me how the GOP has not spewed the gays |
Erika |
Oct-26-06 12:09 AM |
#67 |
| -
Even If That Were Granted, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Oct-26-06 12:24 AM |
#85 |
| -
And you weren't accusing the GOP in your analogy, you were |
pnwmom |
Oct-26-06 12:26 AM |
#89 |
| -
Sir, I have visited the Holocaust Museum in DC |
Erika |
Oct-26-06 12:28 AM |
#93 |
| -
A Rather Pallid Lesson To Take Away From That, Ma'am |
The Magistrate |
Oct-26-06 12:36 AM |
#100 |
| -
I was shocked that Jewish hair was shorn and sold, Sir |
Erika |
Oct-26-06 12:42 AM |
#103 |
| -
I do not believe in moral absolutism. |
oktoberain |
Oct-26-06 12:42 PM |
#279 |
| -
Please bear in mind that the Jews do not own the Holocaust alone. |
IntravenousDemilo |
Oct-26-06 12:58 AM |
#112 |
| -
Since The Point, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Oct-26-06 01:07 AM |
#116 |
| -
Perhaps you'd like "Frog à la pêche" |
IntravenousDemilo |
Oct-26-06 01:16 AM |
#124 |
| -
Yes, Hitler hated the gays and "their agenda" |
Erika |
Oct-26-06 01:09 AM |
#118 |
| -
You obviously don't know that much about Hitler to be making that comparison |
Hippo_Tron |
Oct-26-06 12:05 AM |
#63 |
| -
Any Dem who who says the gays have an agenda that should |
Erika |
Oct-26-06 12:17 AM |
#76 |
| -
You are right... I just hate gays and so I am going to be a republican |
WCGreen |
Oct-26-06 12:19 AM |
#78 |
| -
You thought they have an agenda...your words |
Erika |
Oct-26-06 12:23 AM |
#84 |
| -
Basically, as Iook at it, an insistance on Gay Marriage |
WCGreen |
Oct-26-06 01:46 AM |
#140 |
| -
Well, civil unions and gay marriage are two seperate things. |
haruka3_2000 |
Oct-26-06 02:56 AM |
#154 |
| -
They're equal on the Federal level. |
pnwmom |
Oct-26-06 10:04 AM |
#221 |
| -
That's nonsense, and I challenge you to |
ThomCat |
Oct-26-06 10:59 AM |
#243 |
| -
Basically, as Iook at it, an insistance on Gay Marriage |
WCGreen |
Oct-26-06 01:46 AM |
#141 |
| -
Responses Like This Harm The Fight For Equal Rights |
casus belli |
Oct-26-06 12:27 PM |
#274 |
| -
That includes ALL Democrats then, because the Democratic party |
pnwmom |
Oct-26-06 12:28 AM |
#91 |
| -
Is the Democratic party no longer for gay rights and women's |
Erika |
Oct-26-06 12:31 AM |
#95 |
| -
The Democratic party is no longer endorsing the |
pnwmom |
Oct-26-06 12:42 AM |
#104 |
| -
In some states...... |
loyalsister |
Oct-26-06 09:46 AM |
#214 |
| -
Being anti-gun is NOT a core Democratic value... |
benEzra |
Oct-26-06 01:10 PM |
#290 |
| -
I'll agree that's a fair argument |
Hippo_Tron |
Oct-26-06 12:28 AM |
#92 |
| -
I don't think Dems stand for anything less than they used to |
Tyo |
Oct-25-06 11:58 PM |
#49 |
| -
They don't organize.... |
WCGreen |
Oct-26-06 12:01 AM |
#53 |
| -
When they want to throw gay rights and womens rights |
Erika |
Oct-26-06 12:22 AM |
#82 |
| -
i admire your courage before this truly frightening thread. i am |
nofurylike |
Oct-26-06 01:23 AM |
#128 |
| -
That's part of the story |
Hippo_Tron |
Oct-26-06 12:01 AM |
#54 |
| -
Liberalism use to stand for more than Gay Rights and Abortion on Demand... |
MiaCulpa |
Oct-26-06 12:02 AM |
#56 |
| -
So tell us when you would allow abortion for women |
Erika |
Oct-26-06 12:05 AM |
#61 |
| -
When "I" would allow it? |
MiaCulpa |
Oct-26-06 12:12 AM |
#70 |
| -
They're EQUAL rights, not gay rights. |
Zhade |
Oct-26-06 12:03 AM |
#60 |
| -
Then don't.... |
WCGreen |
Oct-26-06 12:16 AM |
#74 |
| -
Like Saying, It's HUMAN Rights, Not Civil Rights. Waste of time. |
casus belli |
Oct-26-06 12:31 PM |
#276 |
| -
Great post. |
Odin2005 |
Oct-26-06 12:58 AM |
#111 |
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And a very good post yourself! |
pnwmom |
Oct-26-06 01:46 AM |
#142 |
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Hey call me when you need another S.P.O.W.G. |
Jim4Wes |
Oct-26-06 01:11 AM |
#119 |
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Go back a bit more ... |
RoyGBiv |
Oct-26-06 01:22 AM |
#126 |
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I'm an American...Just like you |
sgcase |
Oct-26-06 01:25 AM |
#129 |
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Oh, stop being such a purist |
Der Blaue Engel |
Oct-26-06 01:33 AM |
#134 |
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Get over yourself -- why do you need civil rights? |
LostinVA |
Oct-26-06 06:30 AM |
#169 |
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AFAIK, |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Oct-26-06 01:28 AM |
#132 |
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But how do you square that, Buffy, with the posters |
pnwmom |
Oct-26-06 01:41 AM |
#137 |
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A few (or even several) posters on DU does not all Liberals make |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Oct-26-06 03:11 AM |
#156 |
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I'm feeling stressed about about the election. |
pnwmom |
Oct-26-06 09:45 AM |
#213 |
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Alas, you're delusional if you |
cali |
Oct-26-06 08:18 AM |
#191 |
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It's true that Republicans are the ones who characterize |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-26-06 11:15 AM |
#247 |
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A point well taken, we need more focus on New Deal types of issues |
Lasher |
Oct-26-06 04:26 AM |
#158 |
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Does it offend you when people use derogatory terms towards you? |
haruka3_2000 |
Oct-26-06 04:54 AM |
#160 |
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Good question, thanks for asking. |
Lasher |
Oct-26-06 06:13 AM |
#161 |
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Well... |
haruka3_2000 |
Oct-26-06 06:24 AM |
#167 |
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He used the term once more, and only in reference to the initial use. |
Lasher |
Oct-26-06 06:44 AM |
#170 |
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No, I don't find gay rights offensive. |
haruka3_2000 |
Oct-26-06 07:08 AM |
#174 |
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Well good, maybe you can help the rest of us out with your skills |
Lasher |
Oct-26-06 07:18 AM |
#175 |
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And Labor/Unions isn't a 'special interest'? |
Lexingtonian |
Oct-26-06 04:27 AM |
#159 |
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That's a cogent analysis |
JeffR |
Oct-26-06 08:04 AM |
#188 |
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Special interest groups? Oh, you mean American citizens |
LostinVA |
Oct-26-06 06:17 AM |
#163 |
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Liberalism used to be about standing up for everyone regardless |
MrsGrumpy |
Oct-26-06 06:47 AM |
#171 |
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That is my brand of liberalism, too. |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Oct-26-06 11:26 AM |
#251 |
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I usually like your posts. |
ThomCat |
Oct-26-06 07:30 AM |
#180 |
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I was fired by a major corporation in 1991 for being gay |
LostinVA |
Oct-26-06 07:51 AM |
#183 |
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Exactly. |
ThomCat |
Oct-26-06 09:18 AM |
#200 |
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Bingo |
LostinVA |
Oct-26-06 09:30 AM |
#209 |
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What is absolutely amazing is that everytime someone suggests |
Raster |
Oct-26-06 09:21 AM |
#202 |
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Yeah, I notice that too, Raster -- illuminating, huh? |
LostinVA |
Oct-26-06 09:29 AM |
#207 |
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Right, because more rights for them is practical |
ThomCat |
Oct-26-06 09:35 AM |
#210 |
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I'm selling out my principles this year |
cmd |
Oct-26-06 07:43 AM |
#182 |
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Where do you see one issue people?? Where? |
MrsGrumpy |
Oct-26-06 07:53 AM |
#184 |
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Jinx! We posted at the same time |
LostinVA |
Oct-26-06 07:56 AM |
#186 |
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Sorry, you put the wrong pin in me |
cmd |
Oct-26-06 08:01 AM |
#187 |
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Is it really a belief if you're constantly telling them to hang on? That |
MrsGrumpy |
Oct-26-06 08:07 AM |
#189 |
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And my choice is? |
cmd |
Oct-26-06 08:41 AM |
#194 |
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I'll leave it, thanks. I'm out there, working for change. |
MrsGrumpy |
Oct-26-06 08:49 AM |
#195 |
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Those are good things, MrsG |
JeffR |
Oct-26-06 08:58 AM |
#196 |
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The choice is to fight to expand the debate. |
ThomCat |
Oct-26-06 09:23 AM |
#203 |
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I'm talking about my immediate choice this election |
cmd |
Oct-26-06 10:38 AM |
#230 |
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At what mythical point would you step in |
ThomCat |
Oct-26-06 12:00 PM |
#265 |
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You have no idea |
cmd |
Oct-26-06 12:22 PM |
#272 |
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Well Geez! Then I guess I'll just have blind faith |
ThomCat |
Oct-26-06 12:25 PM |
#273 |
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Long term gain, Thom |
cmd |
Oct-26-06 12:46 PM |
#281 |
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I'm sure you won't be surprised |
ThomCat |
Oct-26-06 12:53 PM |
#284 |
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You still haven't addressed the issue of |
pnwmom |
Oct-26-06 09:51 AM |
#216 |
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Yaaay...not. |
MrsGrumpy |
Oct-26-06 09:58 AM |
#219 |
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A civil union may not be the same as a marriage -- even with |
pnwmom |
Oct-26-06 10:06 AM |
#223 |
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This isn't what is being discussed. What is being discussed is whether |
MrsGrumpy |
Oct-26-06 10:14 AM |
#225 |
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I don't see that as the issue in the OP. |
pnwmom |
Oct-26-06 10:36 AM |
#228 |
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"Liberalism used to stand for more than Gay Rights..." |
MrsGrumpy |
Oct-26-06 10:48 AM |
#237 |
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Because only straight people get that half a loaf |
ThomCat |
Oct-26-06 10:15 AM |
#226 |
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Half a loaf is getting civil unions now, and marriage later. |
pnwmom |
Oct-26-06 10:41 AM |
#232 |
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We would have achieved quite a bit. |
ThomCat |
Oct-26-06 10:49 AM |
#238 |
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I think we would have achieved more, and faster, if the |
pnwmom |
Oct-26-06 10:57 AM |
#242 |
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I don't think that is what happened. |
ThomCat |
Oct-26-06 11:08 AM |
#245 |
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Nobody wants to stand in your way |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-26-06 12:42 PM |
#278 |
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Who here is a " one issue, party of one voters"? |
LostinVA |
Oct-26-06 07:54 AM |
#185 |
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I don't know what you mean by zero wiggle room. |
pnwmom |
Oct-26-06 09:53 AM |
#218 |
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exactly. |
semillama |
Oct-26-06 10:54 AM |
#240 |
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You have put all of my thoughts |
LetsGoMurphys |
Oct-26-06 08:13 AM |
#190 |
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Excellent post......... |
RedEarth |
Oct-26-06 08:35 AM |
#192 |
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Amen -- You nailed it -- False linkage undermines every issue |
Armstead |
Oct-26-06 08:37 AM |
#193 |
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Spoken like a true heterosexist |
Politicub |
Oct-26-06 09:00 AM |
#197 |
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This thread is really offensive. Yet another |
closeupready |
Oct-26-06 10:37 AM |
#229 |
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Oct-26-06 10:39 AM |
#231 |
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Oct-26-06 11:27 AM |
#252 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Oct-26-06 11:32 AM |
#258 |
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IF DEMS WOULD STOP COMPROMISING ON |
closeupready |
Oct-26-06 10:41 AM |
#233 |
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Thank you. A scapegoat is a scapegoat, no matter if you put it in a |
Raster |
Oct-26-06 10:47 AM |
#235 |
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Me too -- along with the rest of the homophobic threads |
LostinVA |
Oct-26-06 11:28 AM |
#253 |
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The Bush/Rove policy is to lock Democrats out of any meaningful |
pnwmom |
Oct-26-06 10:47 AM |
#236 |
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Quite an astute observation there, pnwmom |
Lasher |
Oct-26-06 11:44 AM |
#261 |
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We need to look at why Republican memes are successful |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-26-06 11:30 AM |
#256 |
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Yes, and let pigs fly. NO! The reason the rethuglican memes are so |
Raster |
Oct-26-06 11:45 AM |
#262 |
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Absolutely right |
ThomCat |
Oct-26-06 12:12 PM |
#268 |
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What is selfish about wanting better economic opportunities for all? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-26-06 12:16 PM |
#269 |
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The fact that they aren't "for all." |
ThomCat |
Oct-26-06 12:27 PM |
#275 |
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You're inferring things that I didn't say |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-26-06 12:43 PM |
#280 |
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No, I think I'm accurately seeing the implications of a policy |
ThomCat |
Oct-26-06 12:49 PM |
#282 |
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I'm not sure you understand what my actual position is |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-26-06 01:03 PM |
#286 |
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Truman only integrated because he felt he had to. |
ThomCat |
Oct-26-06 01:09 PM |
#289 |
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You Forgot Education. |
casus belli |
Oct-26-06 12:34 PM |
#277 |
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All else will fall into place! |
sampsonblk |
Oct-26-06 11:06 AM |
#244 |
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But if we do that by sacrificing LGBTs |
ThomCat |
Oct-26-06 11:25 AM |
#250 |
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Rights aren't lifestyle politics. |
mmonk |
Oct-26-06 11:29 AM |
#254 |
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Thank you -- sincerely n/t |
LostinVA |
Oct-26-06 12:00 PM |
#264 |
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... said the heterosexual male ... n/t |
Oregonian |
Oct-26-06 11:56 AM |
#263 |
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I'm sorry I'm not going to shut up and let myself be thrown under the bus. |
kiahzero |
Oct-26-06 12:57 PM |
#285 |
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The Constitution does not discriminate on the basis of sexuality |
AtomicKitten |
Oct-26-06 01:05 PM |
#287 |
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Locking |
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Oct-26-06 01:11 PM |
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