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Response to Reply #91
95. Is the Democratic party no longer for gay rights and women's
rights?
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  -Liberalism use to stand for more than Gay Rights and Abortion on Demand... WCGreen  Oct-25-06 11:21 PM   #0 
  - Thoughtful and well-argued  JeffR   Oct-25-06 11:25 PM   #1 
  - Gee, ya think? Someone dismisses equal rights as unimportant, you expect fireworks?  Zhade   Oct-26-06 12:11 AM   #69 
  - I'm absolutely on your side about rights  JeffR   Oct-26-06 12:22 AM   #83 
  - Retail politics, indeed. Good post, JeffR.  pnwmom   Oct-26-06 01:48 AM   #143 
  - Yes, it IS code, and we all know it -- we've been hearing it for years  LostinVA   Oct-26-06 06:19 AM   #164 
     - I can only imagine the evil hate-filled crap you've been hearing, LVA  JeffR   Oct-26-06 07:18 AM   #176 
  - very well said, Zhade. thank you. "FUCK THAT"! yes. eom  nofurylike   Oct-26-06 01:08 AM   #117 
  - Oh yes, the profanity always strengthens any argument.  pnwmom   Oct-26-06 01:49 AM   #145 
     - please follow the thread. that message was one of support  nofurylike   Oct-26-06 11:13 AM   #246 
  - I agree entirely  TechBear_Seattle   Oct-26-06 09:17 AM   #199 
  - Retail, not real, politics was the issue  JeffR   Oct-26-06 09:23 AM   #204 
     - "Would you rather slit your own wrists or be murdered in your sleep?"  TechBear_Seattle   Oct-26-06 09:26 AM   #205 
        - That's how you see the choice? Really?  JeffR   Oct-26-06 09:30 AM   #208 
           - For the most part, yes, as do many gay people  TechBear_Seattle   Oct-26-06 10:04 AM   #222 
              - Beautifully said  JeffR   Oct-26-06 10:21 AM   #227 
  - Notice how when other people's rights are denied  Solly Mack   Oct-26-06 11:21 AM   #248 
  - In the real world of politcs, several people and many organizations  WCGreen   Oct-26-06 12:08 PM   #266 
  - I'm psychic. I'm Kreskin. I'm Jeanne Dixon. I'm Nostradamus.  JeffR   Oct-26-06 12:25 AM   #87 
  - Tell you what, YOU give some of your rights up for good  LostinVA   Oct-26-06 06:16 AM   #162 
     - read my response to you above (and forgive me this silliness here)  JeffR   Oct-26-06 07:25 AM   #179 
  - You've sure swallowed the Republican memes  Der Blaue Engel   Oct-25-06 11:27 PM   #2 
  - No, I haven't....  WCGreen   Oct-25-06 11:33 PM   #7 
  - That, Ma'am, Strikes Me As A Rather Pointless Comment  The Magistrate   Oct-25-06 11:41 PM   #19 
     - That, sir, strikes me as extraordinarily naive  Der Blaue Engel   Oct-25-06 11:47 PM   #30 
     - It Is One Of The Pleasure Of Age, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Oct-25-06 11:55 PM   #43 
     - Frivolous  Der Blaue Engel   Oct-26-06 12:01 AM   #55 
     - My Comment, Ma'am, Spoke Only Of My Own Age  The Magistrate   Oct-26-06 12:08 AM   #65 
        - There are some principles that one must stand by regardless of popularity  Der Blaue Engel   Oct-26-06 12:13 AM   #72 
           - Perhaps, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Oct-26-06 12:20 AM   #79 
              - That is a false dichotomy  Der Blaue Engel   Oct-26-06 12:29 AM   #94 
                 - It Is Not A False Dichotomy, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Oct-26-06 12:33 AM   #97 
                 - I don't agree with you  Der Blaue Engel   Oct-26-06 12:41 AM   #101 
                    - Nor Does Your Disagreeing Make Me Wrong, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Oct-26-06 12:47 AM   #108 
                 - But it often is a real outcome. For example, most progressives  pnwmom   Oct-26-06 12:34 AM   #99 
                    - But you see, you're using more liberal/less liberal  Der Blaue Engel   Oct-26-06 12:43 AM   #105 
                    - "but I will not concede ANY human right as being negotiable." yes!  nofurylike   Oct-26-06 12:50 AM   #109 
                    - ALL civil rights are NOW NEGOTIABLE, in this new Bush-world we're  pnwmom   Oct-26-06 12:51 AM   #110 
                       - I find myself wondering what MLK or Gandhi  Der Blaue Engel   Oct-26-06 01:02 AM   #114 
                          - Doctor King, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Oct-26-06 01:11 AM   #120 
                          - Another unequal comparison  Der Blaue Engel   Oct-26-06 01:23 AM   #127 
                          - All I'm hoping for is that the NJ legislature will wait another 14  pnwmom   Oct-26-06 01:26 AM   #131 
                          - That is hugely different  Der Blaue Engel   Oct-26-06 01:40 AM   #135 
                             - Thank you. That's all I ask.  pnwmom   Oct-26-06 01:51 AM   #146 
                          - It Illustrates The Point, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Oct-26-06 01:48 AM   #144 
                             - But any right that get delayed  ThomCat   Oct-26-06 10:11 AM   #224 
                          - Exactly.  Pithlet   Oct-26-06 11:32 AM   #257 
                             - In My View, Ma'am, That Is A Good Decision  The Magistrate   Oct-26-06 01:05 PM   #288 
                          - MLK was a pragmatist. He wouldn't want to see all our  pnwmom   Oct-26-06 01:29 AM   #133 
                          - I think you're wrong.  ThomCat   Oct-26-06 11:22 AM   #249 
                          - MLK believed in relentless non-violent resistance.  haruka3_2000   Oct-26-06 11:30 AM   #255 
                          - People who think civil right are negotiable always seem to  ThomCat   Oct-26-06 07:18 AM   #177 
                    - In the face of the evidence, I can't quite agree on that point  JeffR   Oct-26-06 07:33 AM   #181 
     - But that perception is not so much based upon what the Left does advocate  Unvanguard   Oct-26-06 03:47 AM   #157 
     - But these particular talking points happen to be partly true, which is  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-25-06 11:56 PM   #45 
     - For starters, we're asking for EQUAL, not "gay", rights.  Zhade   Oct-26-06 12:05 AM   #62 
        - My Views On That, Sir  The Magistrate   Oct-26-06 12:13 AM   #71 
        - If you condone selling out, just state it.  Erika   Oct-26-06 01:15 AM   #123 
           - Show me where he condones selling out.  SheWhoMustBeObeyed   Oct-26-06 02:25 AM   #147 
        - "EQUAL, not 'gay', rights" - exactly, Zhade! thank you for your  nofurylike   Oct-26-06 01:26 AM   #130 
        - Indeed n/t  TechBear_Seattle   Oct-26-06 09:19 AM   #201 
  - Reggae Culture is typically Anti-Abortion and not supportive of gay rights  Sensitivity   Oct-25-06 11:28 PM   #3 
  - Yes, they would condone abandoning women and gay rights  Erika   Oct-25-06 11:39 PM   #14 
     - Miss the point -- Liberal, even radical is not equated with those issues  Sensitivity   Oct-25-06 11:54 PM   #40 
  - I'd point out that this emphasis is largely in response to the right's  Phredicles   Oct-25-06 11:28 PM   #4 
  - We need to get elected first....  WCGreen   Oct-25-06 11:33 PM   #8 
  - But they harp on abortion and gay rights because we did first--  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-26-06 12:02 AM   #58 
  - What are you talking about?  Erika   Oct-25-06 11:31 PM   #5 
  - Yes we have have...  WCGreen   Oct-25-06 11:34 PM   #9 
  - This is fascinating, and very well written!  CaliforniaPeggy   Oct-25-06 11:31 PM   #6 
  - A republican lite party is not one I wish to condone  Erika   Oct-25-06 11:35 PM   #10 
  - It's not republican lite to not embrace the whole Gay Agenda  WCGreen   Oct-25-06 11:38 PM   #12 
  - The Gay Agenda??  Der Blaue Engel   Oct-25-06 11:39 PM   #15 
  - I did say that....  WCGreen   Oct-25-06 11:42 PM   #20 
  - We have gay civil marriages up here in Canada and the sky hasn't fallen.  IntravenousDemilo   Oct-26-06 12:08 AM   #66 
  - Okay, then what do you call a group of people gathering together  WCGreen   Oct-26-06 12:20 AM   #80 
     - Don't play at words. You know precisely what I'm saying.  IntravenousDemilo   Oct-26-06 12:26 AM   #90 
     - It's insutling....  WCGreen   Oct-26-06 01:43 AM   #138 
        - Extremely insulting.  haruka3_2000   Oct-26-06 02:40 AM   #150 
     - Someone Has Posted The Gay Agenda Here Several Times, Sir  The Magistrate   Oct-26-06 12:31 AM   #96 
  - Civil unions are not equal.  haruka3_2000   Oct-26-06 02:37 AM   #148 
     - What have we gained  pnwmom   Oct-26-06 10:00 AM   #220 
     - I'd prefer to see all marriages be civil unions, as is the case in  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-26-06 12:52 PM   #283 
  - Perhaps I should have used Gay Marriage...  WCGreen   Oct-26-06 12:00 AM   #51 
     - no, try it using "equal rights." how's it sound now? eom  nofurylike   Oct-26-06 12:06 AM   #64 
  - BS. Next? Deny blacks equal wages  Erika   Oct-25-06 11:41 PM   #18 
  - Give me a break....  WCGreen   Oct-25-06 11:43 PM   #23 
  - You are endorsing a sell out of minority rights to win an election  Erika   Oct-25-06 11:48 PM   #31 
     - No I am not....  WCGreen   Oct-25-06 11:53 PM   #38 
        - Yes, you are.  ThomCat   Oct-26-06 09:40 AM   #212 
           - Not Liebermans, no  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-26-06 10:44 AM   #234 
              - "for the little person"  ThomCat   Oct-26-06 10:52 AM   #239 
                 - You're saying that GLBT people are never "little people" in the  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-26-06 11:37 AM   #259 
                    - No. You did.  ThomCat   Oct-26-06 11:38 AM   #260 
                       - On a nationwide basis, GLBT rights are slowly but surely winning  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-26-06 12:11 PM   #267 
                          - As a middle aged gay man  ThomCat   Oct-26-06 12:19 PM   #271 
  - Exactly!  LostinVA   Oct-26-06 06:22 AM   #165 
  - "Gay Agenda"? twisted. bye. eom  nofurylike   Oct-25-06 11:47 PM   #29 
  - A gay agenda? I can't believe a dem would post this thought  Erika   Oct-25-06 11:52 PM   #37 
     - i'm confused. if i implied i believe there is a "gay agenda," i  nofurylike   Oct-26-06 12:01 AM   #52 
     - thank you, Erika, for your courageous effort to reason with those  nofurylike   Oct-26-06 01:05 AM   #115 
     - Thanks and peace to all of us n/t  Erika   Oct-26-06 01:17 AM   #125 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-26-06 06:23 AM   #166 
  - Actually, it is Republican to even use the term "Gay Agenda"  haruka3_2000   Oct-26-06 02:38 AM   #149 
  - "...the whole Gay Agenda"??? I'm a GAY man and I'm unaware of  Raster   Oct-26-06 07:05 AM   #173 
  - It's the radical right wing of the Republican party  pnwmom   Oct-25-06 11:44 PM   #26 
  - You're thinking of liberalism purely in behavioral terms,  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-25-06 11:46 PM   #27 
     - Stated elegantly...  WCGreen   Oct-25-06 11:54 PM   #41 
  - Then you may have mine...if we're throwing people under the bus...  MrsGrumpy   Oct-26-06 06:53 AM   #172 
  - Thanks for the thoughtful post, WCGreen.  pnwmom   Oct-25-06 11:37 PM   #11 
  - And I support the new liberalism....  WCGreen   Oct-25-06 11:40 PM   #16 
  - gee, getting a little more than "slightly pissed," now that the white  nofurylike   Oct-25-06 11:39 PM   #13 
  - Since 1989 when Bush I beat Dukakis  WCGreen   Oct-25-06 11:50 PM   #33 
     - why then, you wrote you were "slightly pissed" in 1994? no need reply.  nofurylike   Oct-26-06 12:47 AM   #107 
  - There is economic/political liberalism and behavioral liberalism  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-25-06 11:41 PM   #17 
  - Well stated...  WCGreen   Oct-25-06 11:43 PM   #22 
  - Your post is like the Germans saying if Nazism can be defeated  Erika   Oct-25-06 11:44 PM   #24 
     - As A Matter Of Curiousity, Ma'am: What Does That Mean?  The Magistrate   Oct-25-06 11:48 PM   #32 
     - Good question!  pnwmom   Oct-25-06 11:53 PM   #39 
     - The Germans allowed discrimination by groups  Erika   Oct-25-06 11:57 PM   #46 
        - That, Ma'am, Is Not Even Close To What You Said Above  The Magistrate   Oct-26-06 12:17 AM   #75 
           - I disagree with your logic totally  Erika   Oct-26-06 01:01 AM   #113 
              - You May Say It, Ma'am, But It Is Incorrect Just The Same  The Magistrate   Oct-26-06 01:14 AM   #122 
                 - I hope you two can agree to disagree.  ThomCat   Oct-26-06 10:56 AM   #241 
     - I don't think your analogy holds water.  pnwmom   Oct-25-06 11:51 PM   #34 
     - Nnnnooooo  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-25-06 11:51 PM   #35 
     - yes, it is. eom  nofurylike   Oct-26-06 01:13 AM   #121 
     - Terrible analogy. n/t  casus belli   Oct-26-06 12:19 PM   #270 
  - I am profoundly disappointed  Mme. Defarge   Oct-25-06 11:43 PM   #21 
  - Good point...  WCGreen   Oct-25-06 11:44 PM   #25 
  - Exactly, sell out minority rights to get elected  Erika   Oct-25-06 11:46 PM   #28 
     - Nobody is saying that.  pnwmom   Oct-25-06 11:52 PM   #36 
     - May I suggest you look at the gay agenda remark?  Erika   Oct-25-06 11:54 PM   #42 
     - Not outright  Der Blaue Engel   Oct-25-06 11:56 PM   #44 
     - You know what... I'm tired... I have had a very long day...  WCGreen   Oct-25-06 11:57 PM   #47 
     - Maybe your day isn't as long as others who have to tolerate  Erika   Oct-26-06 12:02 AM   #57 
     - You know, Erika, I had to tolerate some "breeder" remarks  pnwmom   Oct-26-06 12:24 AM   #86 
     - And?  Erika   Oct-26-06 12:33 AM   #98 
        - And -- I think the poster who used the words "gay agenda"  pnwmom   Oct-26-06 12:41 AM   #102 
           - Well, if you're stressed, you may slip up *once* and use it.  haruka3_2000   Oct-26-06 02:44 AM   #151 
     - What are you talking about....  WCGreen   Oct-26-06 01:44 AM   #139 
        - It's a RW talking point used to demean gays and deny them equal rights.  haruka3_2000   Oct-26-06 02:47 AM   #152 
           - And I of you....  WCGreen   Oct-26-06 02:49 AM   #153 
              - Hey, I'm not the one declaring people 2nd class citizens  haruka3_2000   Oct-26-06 03:06 AM   #155 
     - Yes, I am going to focus on that  Der Blaue Engel   Oct-26-06 12:09 AM   #68 
        - Good for you.....  WCGreen   Oct-26-06 12:18 AM   #77 
     - No, I am not ok with the term gay agenda being used  Erika   Oct-25-06 11:59 PM   #50 
     - You and I are in agreement n/t  Der Blaue Engel   Oct-26-06 12:15 AM   #73 
        - Me too -- it's a derogatory and RW term  LostinVA   Oct-26-06 06:27 AM   #168 
     - I bet the poster regrets the unfortunate use of the term "gay agenda."  pnwmom   Oct-26-06 12:22 AM   #81 
        - Sorry, I won't elect anyone who throws gays and women's rights  Erika   Oct-26-06 12:25 AM   #88 
           - The good part is you probably don't live in a state where  pnwmom   Oct-26-06 12:44 AM   #106 
           - Precisely....  WCGreen   Oct-26-06 01:40 AM   #136 
           - ***No successful campaign has ever satisfied every constitutuent***  1932   Oct-26-06 09:16 AM   #198 
              - Gays aren't an "interest group."  LostinVA   Oct-26-06 09:28 AM   #206 
              - If they're not a consituency with particular interests, this thread would  1932   Oct-26-06 09:37 AM   #211 
                 - Again, gays are not a special interest group asking for special rights  LostinVA   Oct-26-06 09:50 AM   #215 
              - Are you stuck in 1932?  haruka3_2000   Oct-26-06 09:51 AM   #217 
     - That is EXACTLY what is being said.  ThomCat   Oct-26-06 07:22 AM   #178 
     - Huh?  Mme. Defarge   Oct-25-06 11:58 PM   #48 
     - Hitler, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Oct-26-06 12:02 AM   #59 
     - Please tell me how the GOP has not spewed the gays  Erika   Oct-26-06 12:09 AM   #67 
        - Even If That Were Granted, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Oct-26-06 12:24 AM   #85 
           - And you weren't accusing the GOP in your analogy, you were  pnwmom   Oct-26-06 12:26 AM   #89 
           - Sir, I have visited the Holocaust Museum in DC  Erika   Oct-26-06 12:28 AM   #93 
           - A Rather Pallid Lesson To Take Away From That, Ma'am  The Magistrate   Oct-26-06 12:36 AM   #100 
              - I was shocked that Jewish hair was shorn and sold, Sir  Erika   Oct-26-06 12:42 AM   #103 
              - I do not believe in moral absolutism.  oktoberain   Oct-26-06 12:42 PM   #279 
           - Please bear in mind that the Jews do not own the Holocaust alone.  IntravenousDemilo   Oct-26-06 12:58 AM   #112 
              - Since The Point, Sir  The Magistrate   Oct-26-06 01:07 AM   #116 
              - Perhaps you'd like "Frog la pche"  IntravenousDemilo   Oct-26-06 01:16 AM   #124 
              - Yes, Hitler hated the gays and "their agenda"  Erika   Oct-26-06 01:09 AM   #118 
     - You obviously don't know that much about Hitler to be making that comparison  Hippo_Tron   Oct-26-06 12:05 AM   #63 
        - Any Dem who who says the gays have an agenda that should  Erika   Oct-26-06 12:17 AM   #76 
           - You are right... I just hate gays and so I am going to be a republican  WCGreen   Oct-26-06 12:19 AM   #78 
           - You thought they have an agenda...your words  Erika   Oct-26-06 12:23 AM   #84 
              - Basically, as Iook at it, an insistance on Gay Marriage  WCGreen   Oct-26-06 01:46 AM   #140 
              - Well, civil unions and gay marriage are two seperate things.  haruka3_2000   Oct-26-06 02:56 AM   #154 
                 - They're equal on the Federal level.  pnwmom   Oct-26-06 10:04 AM   #221 
                    - That's nonsense, and I challenge you to  ThomCat   Oct-26-06 10:59 AM   #243 
              - Basically, as Iook at it, an insistance on Gay Marriage  WCGreen   Oct-26-06 01:46 AM   #141 
              - Responses Like This Harm The Fight For Equal Rights  casus belli   Oct-26-06 12:27 PM   #274 
           - That includes ALL Democrats then, because the Democratic party  pnwmom   Oct-26-06 12:28 AM   #91 
           - Is the Democratic party no longer for gay rights and women's  Erika   Oct-26-06 12:31 AM   #95 
              - The Democratic party is no longer endorsing the  pnwmom   Oct-26-06 12:42 AM   #104 
                 - In some states......  loyalsister   Oct-26-06 09:46 AM   #214 
                    - Being anti-gun is NOT a core Democratic value...  benEzra   Oct-26-06 01:10 PM   #290 
           - I'll agree that's a fair argument  Hippo_Tron   Oct-26-06 12:28 AM   #92 
  - I don't think Dems stand for anything less than they used to  Tyo   Oct-25-06 11:58 PM   #49 
  - They don't organize....  WCGreen   Oct-26-06 12:01 AM   #53 
  - When they want to throw gay rights and womens rights  Erika   Oct-26-06 12:22 AM   #82 
     - i admire your courage before this truly frightening thread. i am  nofurylike   Oct-26-06 01:23 AM   #128 
  - That's part of the story  Hippo_Tron   Oct-26-06 12:01 AM   #54 
  - Liberalism use to stand for more than Gay Rights and Abortion on Demand...  MiaCulpa   Oct-26-06 12:02 AM   #56 
  - So tell us when you would allow abortion for women  Erika   Oct-26-06 12:05 AM   #61 
     - When "I" would allow it?  MiaCulpa   Oct-26-06 12:12 AM   #70 
  - They're EQUAL rights, not gay rights.  Zhade   Oct-26-06 12:03 AM   #60 
  - Then don't....  WCGreen   Oct-26-06 12:16 AM   #74 
  - Like Saying, It's HUMAN Rights, Not Civil Rights. Waste of time.  casus belli   Oct-26-06 12:31 PM   #276 
  - Great post.  Odin2005   Oct-26-06 12:58 AM   #111 
  - And a very good post yourself!  pnwmom   Oct-26-06 01:46 AM   #142 
  - Hey call me when you need another S.P.O.W.G.  Jim4Wes   Oct-26-06 01:11 AM   #119 
  - Go back a bit more ...  RoyGBiv   Oct-26-06 01:22 AM   #126 
  - I'm an American...Just like you  sgcase   Oct-26-06 01:25 AM   #129 
  - Oh, stop being such a purist  Der Blaue Engel   Oct-26-06 01:33 AM   #134 
  - Get over yourself -- why do you need civil rights?  LostinVA   Oct-26-06 06:30 AM   #169 
  - AFAIK,  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-26-06 01:28 AM   #132 
  - But how do you square that, Buffy, with the posters  pnwmom   Oct-26-06 01:41 AM   #137 
  - A few (or even several) posters on DU does not all Liberals make  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Oct-26-06 03:11 AM   #156 
     - I'm feeling stressed about about the election.  pnwmom   Oct-26-06 09:45 AM   #213 
  - Alas, you're delusional if you  cali   Oct-26-06 08:18 AM   #191 
  - It's true that Republicans are the ones who characterize  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-26-06 11:15 AM   #247 
  - A point well taken, we need more focus on New Deal types of issues  Lasher   Oct-26-06 04:26 AM   #158 
  - Does it offend you when people use derogatory terms towards you?  haruka3_2000   Oct-26-06 04:54 AM   #160 
     - Good question, thanks for asking.  Lasher   Oct-26-06 06:13 AM   #161 
        - Well...  haruka3_2000   Oct-26-06 06:24 AM   #167 
           - He used the term once more, and only in reference to the initial use.  Lasher   Oct-26-06 06:44 AM   #170 
              - No, I don't find gay rights offensive.  haruka3_2000   Oct-26-06 07:08 AM   #174 
                 - Well good, maybe you can help the rest of us out with your skills  Lasher   Oct-26-06 07:18 AM   #175 
  - And Labor/Unions isn't a 'special interest'?  Lexingtonian   Oct-26-06 04:27 AM   #159 
  - That's a cogent analysis  JeffR   Oct-26-06 08:04 AM   #188 
  - Special interest groups? Oh, you mean American citizens  LostinVA   Oct-26-06 06:17 AM   #163 
  - Liberalism used to be about standing up for everyone regardless  MrsGrumpy   Oct-26-06 06:47 AM   #171 
  - That is my brand of liberalism, too.  Hell Hath No Fury   Oct-26-06 11:26 AM   #251 
  - I usually like your posts.  ThomCat   Oct-26-06 07:30 AM   #180 
  - I was fired by a major corporation in 1991 for being gay  LostinVA   Oct-26-06 07:51 AM   #183 
     - Exactly.  ThomCat   Oct-26-06 09:18 AM   #200 
     - Bingo  LostinVA   Oct-26-06 09:30 AM   #209 
     - What is absolutely amazing is that everytime someone suggests  Raster   Oct-26-06 09:21 AM   #202 
        - Yeah, I notice that too, Raster -- illuminating, huh?  LostinVA   Oct-26-06 09:29 AM   #207 
        - Right, because more rights for them is practical  ThomCat   Oct-26-06 09:35 AM   #210 
  - I'm selling out my principles this year  cmd   Oct-26-06 07:43 AM   #182 
  - Where do you see one issue people?? Where?  MrsGrumpy   Oct-26-06 07:53 AM   #184 
  - Jinx! We posted at the same time  LostinVA   Oct-26-06 07:56 AM   #186 
     - Sorry, you put the wrong pin in me  cmd   Oct-26-06 08:01 AM   #187 
        - Is it really a belief if you're constantly telling them to hang on? That  MrsGrumpy   Oct-26-06 08:07 AM   #189 
           - And my choice is?  cmd   Oct-26-06 08:41 AM   #194 
           - I'll leave it, thanks. I'm out there, working for change.  MrsGrumpy   Oct-26-06 08:49 AM   #195 
           - Those are good things, MrsG  JeffR   Oct-26-06 08:58 AM   #196 
           - The choice is to fight to expand the debate.  ThomCat   Oct-26-06 09:23 AM   #203 
              - I'm talking about my immediate choice this election  cmd   Oct-26-06 10:38 AM   #230 
                 - At what mythical point would you step in  ThomCat   Oct-26-06 12:00 PM   #265 
                    - You have no idea  cmd   Oct-26-06 12:22 PM   #272 
                       - Well Geez! Then I guess I'll just have blind faith  ThomCat   Oct-26-06 12:25 PM   #273 
                          - Long term gain, Thom  cmd   Oct-26-06 12:46 PM   #281 
                             - I'm sure you won't be surprised  ThomCat   Oct-26-06 12:53 PM   #284 
           - You still haven't addressed the issue of  pnwmom   Oct-26-06 09:51 AM   #216 
              - Yaaay...not.  MrsGrumpy   Oct-26-06 09:58 AM   #219 
              - A civil union may not be the same as a marriage -- even with  pnwmom   Oct-26-06 10:06 AM   #223 
                 - This isn't what is being discussed. What is being discussed is whether  MrsGrumpy   Oct-26-06 10:14 AM   #225 
                    - I don't see that as the issue in the OP.  pnwmom   Oct-26-06 10:36 AM   #228 
                       - "Liberalism used to stand for more than Gay Rights..."  MrsGrumpy   Oct-26-06 10:48 AM   #237 
              - Because only straight people get that half a loaf  ThomCat   Oct-26-06 10:15 AM   #226 
                 - Half a loaf is getting civil unions now, and marriage later.  pnwmom   Oct-26-06 10:41 AM   #232 
                    - We would have achieved quite a bit.  ThomCat   Oct-26-06 10:49 AM   #238 
                       - I think we would have achieved more, and faster, if the  pnwmom   Oct-26-06 10:57 AM   #242 
                          - I don't think that is what happened.  ThomCat   Oct-26-06 11:08 AM   #245 
                             - Nobody wants to stand in your way  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-26-06 12:42 PM   #278 
  - Who here is a " one issue, party of one voters"?  LostinVA   Oct-26-06 07:54 AM   #185 
  - I don't know what you mean by zero wiggle room.  pnwmom   Oct-26-06 09:53 AM   #218 
  - exactly.  semillama   Oct-26-06 10:54 AM   #240 
  - You have put all of my thoughts  LetsGoMurphys   Oct-26-06 08:13 AM   #190 
  - Excellent post.........  RedEarth   Oct-26-06 08:35 AM   #192 
  - Amen -- You nailed it -- False linkage undermines every issue  Armstead   Oct-26-06 08:37 AM   #193 
  - Spoken like a true heterosexist  Politicub   Oct-26-06 09:00 AM   #197 
  - This thread is really offensive. Yet another  closeupready   Oct-26-06 10:37 AM   #229 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-26-06 10:39 AM   #231 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-26-06 11:27 AM   #252 
        - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-26-06 11:32 AM   #258 
  - IF DEMS WOULD STOP COMPROMISING ON  closeupready   Oct-26-06 10:41 AM   #233 
  - Thank you. A scapegoat is a scapegoat, no matter if you put it in a  Raster   Oct-26-06 10:47 AM   #235 
  - Me too -- along with the rest of the homophobic threads  LostinVA   Oct-26-06 11:28 AM   #253 
  - The Bush/Rove policy is to lock Democrats out of any meaningful  pnwmom   Oct-26-06 10:47 AM   #236 
  - Quite an astute observation there, pnwmom  Lasher   Oct-26-06 11:44 AM   #261 
  - We need to look at why Republican memes are successful  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-26-06 11:30 AM   #256 
     - Yes, and let pigs fly. NO! The reason the rethuglican memes are so  Raster   Oct-26-06 11:45 AM   #262 
     - Absolutely right  ThomCat   Oct-26-06 12:12 PM   #268 
     - What is selfish about wanting better economic opportunities for all?  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-26-06 12:16 PM   #269 
        - The fact that they aren't "for all."  ThomCat   Oct-26-06 12:27 PM   #275 
           - You're inferring things that I didn't say  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-26-06 12:43 PM   #280 
              - No, I think I'm accurately seeing the implications of a policy  ThomCat   Oct-26-06 12:49 PM   #282 
                 - I'm not sure you understand what my actual position is  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-26-06 01:03 PM   #286 
                    - Truman only integrated because he felt he had to.  ThomCat   Oct-26-06 01:09 PM   #289 
     - You Forgot Education.  casus belli   Oct-26-06 12:34 PM   #277 
  - All else will fall into place!  sampsonblk   Oct-26-06 11:06 AM   #244 
  - But if we do that by sacrificing LGBTs  ThomCat   Oct-26-06 11:25 AM   #250 
  - Rights aren't lifestyle politics.  mmonk   Oct-26-06 11:29 AM   #254 
  - Thank you -- sincerely n/t  LostinVA   Oct-26-06 12:00 PM   #264 
  - ... said the heterosexual male ... n/t  Oregonian   Oct-26-06 11:56 AM   #263 
  - I'm sorry I'm not going to shut up and let myself be thrown under the bus.  kiahzero   Oct-26-06 12:57 PM   #285 
  - The Constitution does not discriminate on the basis of sexuality  AtomicKitten   Oct-26-06 01:05 PM   #287 
  - Locking  Moderator   Oct-26-06 01:11 PM   #291 
 

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