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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 05:54 PM
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18. Actually, they can prove this isn't a "partisan coup" from the outset. . .
To prove it is not a "partisan coup" of some sort, they point out that Bush and Cheney can choose to keep the Presidency Republican. It's as easy as 1, 2, 3:
  1. Cheney resigns, Bush nominates new VP.

    The VP must be confirmed by both the House and Senate. Since we elected these folks, if they object to a nominee, that objection reflects our will.

  2. Bush resigns, new VP is sworn in as President.

  3. New President nominates a VP.

    Once again, the VP he/she nominates must be confirmed by both the House and Senate, and therefore meets with our approval (through the people who represent us).

The Democratic members of the Congress fighting for impeachment need to sincerely express their fervent hope that Bush and Cheney do this (and they need to actually BE sincere, so they had better give the moral principles long hard thought).

They need to be clear that they actually want things to play out this way because they do not want the nation to have ANY Question about whether or not their motivation is partisan. If they are clear with themselves, they will be clear with the nation.

Of course, if Bush and Cheney choose to be removed by force, then the succession We the People have established in the 25th amendment will govern, and the Democratic Speaker will take the office of the Presidency. Since this succession is in accordance with the laws we established, it is also a reflection of our will.

Pointing out the choices that are available to the criminals in the WH is also a way to speed up the whole process. It shifts the accusations that "they are subjecting the nation to a long painful process" to Bush and Cheney.

When they decide to just "do the right thing" things are always far simpler" than the insiders with all their partisan machinations and "strategery" can imagine.
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  -Forget the pledge: Why Pelosi is wrong on impeachment.... marmar  Oct-25-06 01:20 PM   #0 
  - You know...  wryter2000   Oct-25-06 01:26 PM   #1 
  - If she turned it down when it got to her who would it go to then?  goddess40   Oct-25-06 01:28 PM   #3 
  - Exactly  wryter2000   Oct-25-06 01:31 PM   #8 
  - Actually, they can prove this isn't a "partisan coup" from the outset. . .  pat_k   Oct-25-06 05:54 PM   #18 
  - See Post #16. It's up to Bush/Cheney to spare us "disruption" and keep Repub Pres. . .  pat_k   Oct-25-06 05:53 PM   #17 
  - Our Constitution is BROKEN..  Tellurian   Oct-26-06 07:58 AM   #35 
  - I don't disagree with you at all...  marmar   Oct-25-06 01:29 PM   #6 
  - Okay  wryter2000   Oct-25-06 01:29 PM   #7 
  - Actually, they are making a monumental mistake -- trapping themselves. . .  pat_k   Oct-25-06 05:58 PM   #20 
  - Bush/Cheney can keep Pres. Republican -- all Dems need to do is point it out. . ..  pat_k   Oct-25-06 05:45 PM   #16 
  - It is more counter-productive NOT to discuss it now. . .  pat_k   Oct-25-06 05:56 PM   #19 
  - She was right. Give it a rest.  Richardo   Oct-25-06 01:28 PM   #2 
  - Hey, Richardo  wryter2000   Oct-25-06 01:34 PM   #9 
  - Behaved well? What the....?  Richardo   Oct-25-06 01:37 PM   #11 
     - You can't be too careful  wryter2000   Oct-25-06 03:00 PM   #13 
  - Actually, she handed them a bunch of them. . .  pat_k   Oct-25-06 05:59 PM   #22 
     - ??  Richardo   Oct-26-06 07:59 AM   #36 
        - There is a great answer should could have given. . .  pat_k   Oct-26-06 11:20 AM   #40 
  - Pelosi's statement takes impeachment off the table for the Repigs!  zulchzulu   Oct-25-06 01:29 PM   #4 
  - Hey, you're scary  wryter2000   Oct-25-06 01:36 PM   #10 
  - Downside of pledge is guaranteed, And they mythical backlash beast. . .  pat_k   Oct-25-06 06:08 PM   #23 
  - Rep. Pelosi's Position, Sir  The Magistrate   Oct-25-06 01:29 PM   #5 
  - They should have been running on impeachment. . .  pat_k   Oct-25-06 06:09 PM   #24 
  - Nancy Pelosi was damn smart to say it!!  LynneSin   Oct-25-06 01:41 PM   #12 
  - The price they will pay for this pledge is FAR higher  pat_k   Oct-25-06 06:12 PM   #25 
  - I was saying that a month ago,  elocs   Oct-25-06 06:57 PM   #30 
     - By failing to run on impeachment, they set themselves a trap. . .  pat_k   Oct-26-06 11:37 AM   #42 
  - If Speaker Carl Albert had announced in 1972 that the Dems planned  beaconess   Oct-25-06 05:20 PM   #14 
  - Why?  pat_k   Oct-25-06 06:13 PM   #26 
     - Because in 1972, there was no stomach for impeachment - as  beaconess   Oct-25-06 09:16 PM   #32 
        - . . and letting Reagan/Bush off the hook gave us Bush I . .  pat_k   Oct-26-06 07:40 AM   #34 
           - Who's said anything about letting them off the hook?  beaconess   Oct-26-06 09:57 AM   #37 
              - Precisely what she is doing with the pledge. . .  pat_k   Oct-26-06 11:08 AM   #38 
  - Imagine if there was no impeachment--  elocs   Oct-25-06 05:38 PM   #15 
  - It's the nuked constituion I'm more worried about. ..  pat_k   Oct-25-06 06:14 PM   #27 
  - where do you get the 60 votes needed to impeach Bush??  Imagevision   Oct-25-06 05:58 PM   #21 
  - By failing to accuse Bush, they are giving the fascists cover. . .  pat_k   Oct-25-06 06:17 PM   #28 
  - 67 votes are needed in the Senate after the House votes to impeach.  elocs   Oct-25-06 06:47 PM   #29 
     - She's already exonerated them, so no worries about that. . .  pat_k   Oct-26-06 11:29 AM   #41 
  - Only 2 years left...  Infinite Hope   Oct-25-06 07:12 PM   #31 
  - And in that 2 years, Dems have to get something done to help the American  beaconess   Oct-25-06 09:20 PM   #33 
     - Happy renovation on a house that is still knocked off its foundation?  pat_k   Oct-26-06 11:11 AM   #39 
  - Wow! I just checked the replies to my posts here at DU.  elocs   Oct-26-06 05:38 PM   #43 

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