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Sat Oct-14-06 02:05 PM
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| 64. The 15 state strategy, and abandoning grassroots organizing. |
| -American Prospect's Charles Pierce nails the Dem party powerstruggle |
whometense |
Oct-13-06 11:39 AM |
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Exactly. It's been pretty obvious about the Senate - confirmation hearings |
blm |
Oct-13-06 11:45 AM |
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Yes, he really nails it. |
Mass |
Oct-13-06 11:49 AM |
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Clintonism: Cult of the Personality |
FredStembottom |
Oct-13-06 11:55 AM |
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The Dem party infrastructure was left to collapse in 1997 and DNC's |
blm |
Oct-13-06 12:07 PM |
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What you said! |
FredStembottom |
Oct-13-06 12:13 PM |
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Not the DNC per se |
hootinholler |
Oct-13-06 12:45 PM |
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Clinton gained presidency because LEFTY Dems kept pounding Bush1 NONSTOP |
blm |
Oct-13-06 12:50 PM |
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Ok, I'll buy into that. |
hootinholler |
Oct-13-06 12:54 PM |
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Definitely before the press lost its veneer of neutrality. After 96 there |
blm |
Oct-13-06 12:58 PM |
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They also went after Dean....and are still going after him...the DLC'ers. |
KoKo01 |
Oct-13-06 01:12 PM |
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in that post, I was referring to media, but, yes, they do target Dean. |
blm |
Oct-13-06 01:37 PM |
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he also had good political aides, IMO |
ginnyinWI |
Oct-13-06 02:36 PM |
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Still wouldn't have happened if Bush1 wasn't getting pummeled for 4yrs |
blm |
Oct-13-06 03:07 PM |
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A-freaking-MEN!!! |
whometense |
Oct-13-06 01:48 PM |
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Perhaps to someone who doesn't understand policy |
OzarkDem |
Oct-13-06 10:37 PM |
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I understand NAFTA and GATT..... |
FredStembottom |
Oct-14-06 01:40 AM |
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And add Wefare "Reform" |
kenzee13 |
Oct-14-06 05:44 PM |
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The democratic party will only find itself after they throw the Clinton's |
Poppyseedman |
Oct-13-06 12:01 PM |
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Thanks, PSman! |
FredStembottom |
Oct-13-06 12:07 PM |
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Clinton is still valuable to us. His Chris Wallace take down did |
alfredo |
Oct-13-06 03:10 PM |
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And what was his follow-up? |
greyhound1966 |
Oct-13-06 03:34 PM |
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Before the love Bush, don't forget Carville and Begala screeching that |
blm |
Oct-13-06 03:50 PM |
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He had several good reasons for not being before the public. |
alfredo |
Oct-13-06 05:04 PM |
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That's what I wanted to believe, then I read his book. |
blm |
Oct-13-06 05:16 PM |
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I haven't read his book, so I can't comment. |
alfredo |
Oct-13-06 05:39 PM |
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Not ONE mention of BCCI - not one. |
blm |
Oct-13-06 05:45 PM |
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What was Clinton's book about? Was it about his life or |
alfredo |
Oct-13-06 08:52 PM |
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Both - his life, his political life before and during his presidency. |
blm |
Oct-13-06 09:30 PM |
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I might have to read it someday, but It will wait until I knock |
alfredo |
Oct-13-06 11:16 PM |
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He was talking about his relationship with Poppy Bush, not the |
alfredo |
Oct-13-06 04:58 PM |
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He was talking about the architect of IranContra, BCCI and CIA drugrunning |
blm |
Oct-13-06 05:22 PM |
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That's politics. But there is another message. Bill is |
alfredo |
Oct-13-06 05:36 PM |
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And sometimes you do the right thing, open the books, let chips fall |
blm |
Oct-13-06 05:43 PM |
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At that time I had a huge backlog of books. Other books |
alfredo |
Oct-13-06 06:20 PM |
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Remember that nice little air field in |
femrap |
Oct-13-06 08:36 PM |
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But the attacks about 9-11 started immediately and 8 books popped up |
blm |
Oct-13-06 03:47 PM |
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That is the job of the DNC leadership. They should have been |
alfredo |
Oct-13-06 05:08 PM |
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McAuliffe would have been all over it if Clinton directed him to do so. |
blm |
Oct-13-06 05:37 PM |
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Clinton was not his boss. |
alfredo |
Oct-13-06 05:41 PM |
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They were and are very close. Clinton didn't shy away from all politics, |
blm |
Oct-13-06 05:53 PM |
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thanks for the good words. I haven't read Clinton's book |
alfredo |
Oct-13-06 06:12 PM |
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Those other Dems were being BURDENED with the meme BECAUSE of Clinton |
blm |
Oct-13-06 06:32 PM |
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My feeling is what is happening now has nothing to do |
alfredo |
Oct-13-06 08:58 PM |
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Yes - that is what party infrastructure does do in every state, county... |
blm |
Oct-14-06 09:55 AM |
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The 15 state strategy, and abandoning grassroots organizing. |
alfredo |
Oct-14-06 02:05 PM |
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As per the strategy set in the mid90s. After the 2000 election hearings |
blm |
Oct-14-06 03:53 PM |
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I think we were in disarray, disillusioned, and outspent. |
alfredo |
Oct-14-06 06:57 PM |
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I get the feeling that a small group of extremely wealthy |
femrap |
Oct-13-06 08:39 PM |
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Bill is too powerful to be ordered around. |
alfredo |
Oct-13-06 09:01 PM |
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Sure, he's powerful, but he was coopted the moment he chose to close the |
blm |
Oct-13-06 09:33 PM |
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It isn't him, but congress that does the investigating. Sure he |
alfredo |
Oct-13-06 11:22 PM |
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For some reason, George Mitchell turned down further funding. I doubt |
blm |
Oct-14-06 08:44 AM |
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When Clinton wrote his book he talked about what |
alfredo |
Oct-14-06 09:08 AM |
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Of course he is, very valuable |
OzarkDem |
Oct-13-06 10:40 PM |
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Funny... when I say this: |
Totally Committed |
Oct-13-06 12:50 PM |
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Me, too. |
madfloridian |
Oct-13-06 02:03 PM |
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I agree... |
Totally Committed |
Oct-13-06 02:58 PM |
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I've been saying it too |
OzarkDem |
Oct-13-06 10:47 PM |
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hmm, It's all Clinton's fault? |
ItNerd4life |
Oct-13-06 01:45 PM |
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I'm not sure I'd put it that way: |
whometense |
Oct-13-06 02:00 PM |
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That shouldn't excuse the tactic of actually undermining the left. If |
blm |
Oct-13-06 02:53 PM |
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See the Democratic Revolution of 1968, repeated in 1972. |
greyhound1966 |
Oct-13-06 03:39 PM |
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I guess there's a reason |
whometense |
Oct-13-06 04:23 PM |
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At least we will win this cycle, so we can look forward to a kinder, |
greyhound1966 |
Oct-13-06 04:27 PM |
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I sure hope we will - |
whometense |
Oct-13-06 04:39 PM |
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And notice: |
WildEyedLiberal |
Oct-14-06 03:26 PM |
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Excellent post! n/t |
ProSense |
Oct-13-06 03:26 PM |
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How about the "non-partisan" |
ProSense |
Oct-14-06 11:18 AM |
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