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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-24-06 08:20 PM
Response to Reply #21
25. I'm sorry...as much as I admire Kerry...
His initial reaction to the attacks was weak and tepid...and by the time he had gotten his legs under him somewhat...it was too late.

Hillary Clinton has been dealing with these kinds of Republican bullshit tactics for 16 years, and knows full well which can do harm and which will backfire. SHe knows damn well you don't let the former type gain any traction, nor do you get in the way of the latter.
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  -Is the latest Clinton incident a reminder that Hillary should not run bigdarryl  Sep-24-06 04:39 PM   #0 
  - Exactly the opposite in my book...  SaveElmer   Sep-24-06 04:47 PM   #1 
  - They weren't successful at all. They lost the Democratic Congress for the  w4rma   Sep-24-06 04:52 PM   #3 
  - Baloney...  SaveElmer   Sep-24-06 04:55 PM   #6 
  - The issues I noted are the results of the descriptions you noted.  w4rma   Sep-24-06 05:52 PM   #13 
  - A HUGE stretch...  SaveElmer   Sep-24-06 08:24 PM   #26 
  - Democrats did *not* lose in 1994 because of intangible perceptions.  w4rma   Sep-25-06 12:35 AM   #52 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-25-06 02:03 AM   #55 
     - I rest my case. Thank you for your help in proving it. (nt)  w4rma   Sep-25-06 11:16 AM   #60 
        - May it rest in peace...  SaveElmer   Sep-25-06 11:47 AM   #61 
           - Thanks, whoever you are...hmm  Tellurian   Sep-26-06 12:20 PM   #107 
  - The gun issue was HUGE in many swing states in 1994...  benEzra   Sep-25-06 09:11 AM   #56 
  - Yep and even Hilary's much touted health  truedelphi   Sep-25-06 12:38 PM   #72 
     - That is true. (nt)  w4rma   Sep-25-06 08:43 PM   #91 
  - We lost because of health care  enough already   Sep-25-06 09:20 AM   #58 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-26-06 12:22 PM   #109 
  - That doesn't make sense  nini   Sep-24-06 04:59 PM   #8 
  - The folks who had stayed with the Democrats for those two issues  w4rma   Sep-24-06 05:54 PM   #14 
  - Ok, I didn't read your OP correctly  nini   Sep-24-06 09:49 PM   #37 
  - Not being nit-picky here, but, um, well.... calling them idiots  Clark2008   Sep-24-06 06:04 PM   #18 
  - well, I'll give you that :-)  nini   Sep-24-06 09:45 PM   #36 
  - I disagree also...  Imagevision   Sep-24-06 11:26 PM   #48 
  - The Democratic congress of 1992-1994 was sickening....they gave NO loyalty  Rowdyboy   Sep-24-06 06:05 PM   #19 
  - An Excellent Point, Sir  The Magistrate   Sep-25-06 12:06 AM   #51 
  - The same corrupt ones who sided with the Republicans on "free" trade  w4rma   Sep-25-06 08:52 PM   #92 
  - Great point, What I'd like to know is why our "leadership" seems to be  greyhound1966   Sep-25-06 06:10 PM   #83 
  - one word. Bullshit.  wyldwolf   Sep-24-06 08:41 PM   #28 
  - Amen!  truedelphi   Sep-25-06 12:35 PM   #71 
  - We need to leave RW talking points out of this discussion  politicasista   Sep-24-06 06:01 PM   #16 
  - That Kerry responded poorly to the Swift Boat attacks...  SaveElmer   Sep-24-06 08:18 PM   #24 
  - No, if you are not willing to look at the facts  karynnj   Sep-24-06 08:57 PM   #31 
  - When has there EVER been a level playing field with the media...  SaveElmer   Sep-24-06 09:10 PM   #34 
     - I have watched elections at least since 1964  karynnj   Sep-24-06 09:49 PM   #38 
     - Clinton had a favorable media?  SaveElmer   Sep-24-06 10:01 PM   #39 
     - You only cite one example while running for President  karynnj   Sep-24-06 10:37 PM   #41 
        - Well I'm sorry...  SaveElmer   Sep-24-06 10:49 PM   #43 
           - I remember the same things  karynnj   Sep-24-06 11:13 PM   #46 
     - Kerry's own campaign manager disagrees with you on response to SBVT  bling bling   Sep-25-06 12:36 AM   #53 
     - Bill Clinton is responsible for the state of the media today in some ways,  wisteria   Sep-25-06 07:56 PM   #86 
  - CLINTON underestimated the power of the FIVE YEARS OF post9-11 attacks  blm   Sep-25-06 12:12 PM   #63 
  - Kerry's response times were fine, the media just didn't work with him  wisteria   Sep-25-06 07:46 PM   #85 
  - Senator Kerry fought back in 04, with no help from the Clinton's  wisteria   Sep-25-06 07:37 PM   #84 
  - Kerry did fight back, 2004 was not 1992  karynnj   Sep-24-06 07:43 PM   #21 
  - I'm sorry...as much as I admire Kerry...  SaveElmer   Sep-24-06 08:20 PM   #25 
     - You obviously did not get what I said  karynnj   Sep-24-06 08:49 PM   #30 
     - In the political climate that now exists....  SaveElmer   Sep-24-06 09:03 PM   #33 
        - HAHAHAH - These charges are FIVE YEARS OLD - Clinton waited till now  blm   Sep-25-06 12:18 PM   #67 
     - You know what's really fascinating?  ProSense   Sep-24-06 08:57 PM   #32 
     - Well he did defend Lieberman and campaigned for him  IChing   Sep-24-06 10:57 PM   #44 
     - So Clinton has been weak and ineffectual for FIVE YEARS and is only NOW  blm   Sep-25-06 12:15 PM   #64 
  - The only "winners" were the Clintons  enough already   Sep-25-06 09:16 AM   #57 
  - Unfortunate, but very true. n/t  wisteria   Sep-25-06 07:58 PM   #87 
  - I agree with you n/t  Claire Beth   Sep-25-06 09:21 AM   #59 
  - Gee whiz, what a revelation!  greyhound1966   Sep-25-06 01:13 PM   #75 
     - I support Hillary Clinton...a loyal, and progressive Democrat...  SaveElmer   Sep-25-06 04:28 PM   #77 
  - And a reminder that we all don't agree  Pigwidgeon   Sep-24-06 04:48 PM   #2 
  - I completely disagree with you  durrrty libby   Sep-24-06 04:53 PM   #4 
  - Hillary is a favorite because of what Bill just did to Fox  nini   Sep-24-06 04:53 PM   #5 
  - Only because they get the microphone the others don't  karynnj   Sep-24-06 07:48 PM   #22 
  - There's obviously some tension in the Kerry camp that Hillary  wiley   Sep-24-06 11:46 PM   #50 
     - I think you've hit the nail on the head.  AtomicKitten   Sep-25-06 11:58 AM   #62 
     - Are you seriously implying that karynnj is not a real Democrat?  WildEyedLiberal   Sep-25-06 12:31 PM   #70 
     - You have taken a general comment  AtomicKitten   Sep-25-06 05:12 PM   #78 
        - Go AtomicKitten!  wiley   Sep-25-06 05:47 PM   #82 
        - How are any of your comments in this thread injecting fairness?  WildEyedLiberal   Sep-25-06 10:30 PM   #96 
           - actually there is a long and distinguished list of Dems  AtomicKitten   Sep-25-06 10:40 PM   #100 
              - Some people are arbiters of so-called fairness and  ProSense   Sep-25-06 10:51 PM   #102 
     - I want to stop this idiotic vendetta  karynnj   Sep-26-06 12:34 PM   #110 
        - to elucidate  AtomicKitten   Sep-26-06 01:39 PM   #112 
           - I honestly have no idea where you are coming from here  karynnj   Sep-26-06 01:57 PM   #114 
              - I hope this helps.  AtomicKitten   Sep-26-06 02:10 PM   #115 
     - Hillary wouldn't easily beat ANYONE for the Dem nomination  WildEyedLiberal   Sep-25-06 12:27 PM   #68 
     - the polling indicates otherwise  AtomicKitten   Sep-25-06 05:24 PM   #80 
        - You're falling back on polls?  WildEyedLiberal   Sep-25-06 10:32 PM   #97 
           - yes, polls at this stage of the game  AtomicKitten   Sep-25-06 10:35 PM   #99 
              - Here's a poll:  ProSense   Sep-25-06 10:52 PM   #103 
     - I don't think that is a given. She may have $$, but that doesn't  wisteria   Sep-25-06 08:02 PM   #88 
     - I do think that Kerry would make a far better President  karynnj   Sep-25-06 11:13 PM   #104 
  - You haven't been paying attention to Kerry. He can deliver a good punch  wisteria   Sep-25-06 08:10 PM   #89 
     - oh, we're paying attention  AtomicKitten   Sep-25-06 09:35 PM   #95 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-25-06 10:34 PM   #98 
           - oh please, yourself  AtomicKitten   Sep-25-06 10:42 PM   #101 
  - Any Democratic nominee will face media distortions...  Eric J in MN   Sep-24-06 04:56 PM   #7 
  - Hillary won't be intimidated by this media  MODemocrat   Sep-24-06 05:07 PM   #9 
  - On the contrary . . .  MrModerate   Sep-24-06 05:12 PM   #10 
  - It's a losing argument, in my book.  ccpup   Sep-24-06 05:13 PM   #11 
  - Well only because Hillary ain't Bill...  ddeclue   Sep-24-06 05:18 PM   #12 
  - Are HIllary Clinton's policies and political views any  Disturbed   Sep-24-06 06:04 PM   #17 
     - Yes they have differences but I'm talking political presentation  ddeclue   Sep-24-06 06:20 PM   #20 
  - Yes... Bill Clinton's Presidency will be the only campaign issue,  Totally Committed   Sep-24-06 05:57 PM   #15 
  - Agreed - In addition, I cannot forget that he is responsible for the sorry  Mass   Sep-24-06 07:52 PM   #23 
  - Easily intimidated, Isee - nt  sampsonblk   Sep-24-06 08:27 PM   #27 
  - I truly believe she wants to be majority leader of the Senate...  WCGreen   Sep-24-06 08:43 PM   #29 
  - Remember the "Republicans for Sharpton" campaign?  ChipsAhoy   Sep-24-06 09:15 PM   #35 
  - Sure, Clinton went off but at least he made some good points  sknabt   Sep-24-06 10:03 PM   #40 
  - Bill did very well  OzarkDem   Sep-24-06 10:46 PM   #42 
  - Tom Kean works for United Health, insurance co. They dont want Hillary.  McCamy Taylor   Sep-24-06 11:06 PM   #45 
  - Hilary was NOT about single payer health care  truedelphi   Sep-25-06 12:43 PM   #73 
  - With the Clintons we get TWO excellent people  oldboy101   Sep-24-06 11:21 PM   #47 
  - Damn, Old Boy ....  Trajan   Sep-24-06 11:45 PM   #49 
  - Two excellent people with excellent support staff and cabinet members.  oasis   Sep-26-06 02:17 PM   #116 
  - Guys!! "Bigdarryl" posted this flame & if you notice, he departed...  larissa   Sep-25-06 12:55 AM   #54 
  - That's what they want you to think.  Bridget Burke   Sep-25-06 12:16 PM   #65 
  - Double Post! Please ignore....  Bridget Burke   Sep-25-06 12:17 PM   #66 
  - You're kidding right?...About damn time Foxnews got set straight!!!!!  demo dutch   Sep-25-06 12:28 PM   #69 
  - Hillary shouldn't run because some jackass Fox news whore  paulk   Sep-25-06 12:54 PM   #74 
  - I never cared much for Bill either way.....  BlueJackal   Sep-25-06 01:21 PM   #76 
  - Sadly, I agree with your assessment of her. She wants this for all the  wisteria   Sep-25-06 08:12 PM   #90 
     - question  AtomicKitten   Sep-25-06 09:06 PM   #93 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-26-06 12:21 PM   #108 
        - I appreciate your assessment  AtomicKitten   Sep-26-06 01:52 PM   #113 
     - Well I agree Hillary's in it for the wrong reasons.....  BlueJackal   Sep-26-06 12:14 PM   #106 
  - it tells me she SHOULD run.  rodeodance   Sep-25-06 05:16 PM   #79 
  - I don't think so. What you saw was what you got.  calimary   Sep-25-06 05:29 PM   #81 
  - It shows that Hillary shouldn't run, but in a different way.  rep the dems   Sep-25-06 09:11 PM   #94 
  - ...and your post is an amazing example of:  susanna   Sep-25-06 11:33 PM   #105 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-26-06 01:08 PM   #111 
  - No  goodhue   Sep-26-06 02:26 PM   #117 
  - Again, it's let's not do something because the right will attack us.  Sapere aude   Sep-26-06 02:56 PM   #118 
 

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