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73. Impeachment could only be viewed as partisan BEFORE an investigation.
Edited on Fri Sep-01-06 09:24 AM by PBass
Seems like maybe people are leapfrogging the whole investigation/hearings aspect, that would have to come first.

You read DU, you are probably up on the various ways Bush has broken (and openly flaunted) the rule of law. Most people are not as well informed as you. One of the benefits of an investigation and hearings, would be that the public would learn how the laws have been broken.

At that point, in my opinion, impeachment would no longer be partisan, it would become bi-partisan. As this information filters out, I believe there are right-thinking Republicans who would have the decency to support impeachment.

One reason I believe this, is because I am firmly convinced that the administration has been illegally spying on political enemies (the Democrats) and not just "the terrorists". I believe that would be revealed, in an investigation.

Also- the President lying to Congress (during the run-up to the war) cannot possibly be viewed as a partisan issue, by anyone who is sane.
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  -Impeachment is the wrong move . . . . hijinx87  Aug-31-06 09:06 PM   #0 
  - I say impeach the bums-they've earned it! nt  babylonsister   Aug-31-06 09:07 PM   #1 
  - so what happens after we have the house?  hijinx87   Aug-31-06 09:09 PM   #3 
  - I think both can and should be accomplished. nt  babylonsister   Aug-31-06 09:10 PM   #4 
  - Exactly - why can't we do both?  BushOut06   Aug-31-06 09:12 PM   #10 
  - impeachment = paralysis  hijinx87   Aug-31-06 09:20 PM   #21 
     - you still haven't explained why  librechik   Aug-31-06 09:45 PM   #36 
        - because impeachment would take up the time . .  hijinx87   Aug-31-06 10:21 PM   #44 
           - Chimpus Khan will veto all of this  enough already   Sep-01-06 09:07 AM   #71 
  - You assume we can't walk and chew gum at the same time  enough already   Sep-01-06 09:06 AM   #70 
  - Go DIRECTLY to IMPEACHMENT hearings. Do not pass "GO," do not  calimary   Sep-01-06 11:46 AM   #77 
  - Censure Would Be a Better Move  dtotire   Sep-02-06 02:38 PM   #112 
     - You have got to be kidding.  El Fuego   Sep-02-06 03:02 PM   #115 
  - Impeachment Is the only move.  William769   Aug-31-06 09:07 PM   #2 
  - it is NOT the only move . . .  hijinx87   Aug-31-06 09:10 PM   #5 
     - That should be our agenda in Congress.  William769   Aug-31-06 09:16 PM   #16 
        - is there another agenda?  hijinx87   Aug-31-06 09:17 PM   #19 
  - Think of all they've done with THEIR majority.  Vickers   Aug-31-06 09:10 PM   #6 
  - that is stupid . . . .  hijinx87   Aug-31-06 09:11 PM   #9 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-31-06 09:13 PM   #12 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-31-06 09:15 PM   #15 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-31-06 09:18 PM   #20 
           - one more time, moderates die?  hijinx87   Aug-31-06 09:21 PM   #23 
     - We can do both  OzarkDem   Sep-01-06 08:07 AM   #67 
  - How do you figure?  BushOut06   Aug-31-06 09:10 PM   #7 
  - think it through  hijinx87   Aug-31-06 09:13 PM   #11 
  - How do you figure we'll get anything with BUSH in the WH?  BushOut06   Aug-31-06 09:43 PM   #35 
     - when was the last time he used his veto?  hijinx87   Aug-31-06 09:54 PM   #37 
     - When has he ever needed his veto?  BushOut06   Aug-31-06 10:44 PM   #49 
     - I totally agree  sandyd921   Aug-31-06 09:55 PM   #38 
     - he's done, for openers  hijinx87   Aug-31-06 10:18 PM   #43 
        - he will resign first  librechik   Aug-31-06 10:48 PM   #50 
  - I highly doubt Bush would allow any progressive bills past his veto pen...  meldroc   Sep-01-06 04:06 PM   #91 
  - Justice has to prevail  rubberducky   Aug-31-06 09:10 PM   #8 
  - would you sacrifice 20 years of our house rule?  hijinx87   Aug-31-06 09:14 PM   #13 
     - Clinton's impeachment didn't exactly hurt the repugs, did it?  El Fuego   Sep-02-06 02:48 PM   #113 
  - I don't think impeachment would solve anything. It would just be King  applegrove   Aug-31-06 09:14 PM   #14 
  - and it would paralyze our agenda. for years.  hijinx87   Aug-31-06 09:17 PM   #18 
     - Not sure what you mean by agenda? There will still be a war in Iraq  applegrove   Aug-31-06 11:02 PM   #51 
     - By transparency I mean the real meaning of the word..not how neos  applegrove   Sep-01-06 02:33 PM   #82 
     - What agenda?  Marnieworld   Sep-01-06 12:11 PM   #80 
        - I agree there is no "secret agenda" for dems. Disagree that impeachment  applegrove   Sep-01-06 02:36 PM   #83 
           - And impeachment can be a part of that  Marnieworld   Sep-02-06 02:32 PM   #110 
              - Yup! The Constitution: USE it or LOSE it.... nt  Sparkly   Sep-02-06 02:33 PM   #111 
              - No. Chimpeachment would put either Cheney or Rummy as the Pres.  applegrove   Sep-02-06 05:09 PM   #116 
  - We may not have the choice  Warpy   Aug-31-06 09:16 PM   #17 
  - This is a joke right?  mmonk   Aug-31-06 09:21 PM   #22 
  - If we don't impeach, we are setting precedent for every leader to come  pooja   Aug-31-06 09:22 PM   #24 
  - "precedent" is a thug term . . .  hijinx87   Aug-31-06 09:23 PM   #27 
  - If we do impeach, we won't have Bush  BullGooseLoony   Aug-31-06 09:24 PM   #28 
  - impeachment is reactionary . . . .  hijinx87   Aug-31-06 09:33 PM   #33 
  - 10 years of Dick Cheney.  BullGooseLoony   Aug-31-06 09:22 PM   #25 
  - Psst, We are a country of laws  Selteri   Aug-31-06 09:22 PM   #26 
  - I can't believe so many people are biting on this.  Jackpine Radical   Aug-31-06 09:25 PM   #29 
  - other than being a moderate, I have done nothing wrong n/t  hijinx87   Aug-31-06 09:26 PM   #30 
     - "Moderate and have done nothing wrong" is true  IChing   Aug-31-06 10:33 PM   #46 
  - Heavy sigh.  CrispyQGirl   Aug-31-06 09:30 PM   #31 
  - Have faith that truth, justice and the American way will not be killed.  The Wielding Truth   Sep-01-06 05:46 PM   #98 
  - I think it is the RIGHT move, on principle and as precedent.  Sparkly   Aug-31-06 09:32 PM   #32 
  - Impeachment Or Bust!  Dinger   Aug-31-06 09:34 PM   #34 
  - sorry, I vehemently disagree  AtomicKitten   Aug-31-06 09:55 PM   #39 
  - I strongly disagree with you  Husb2Sparkly   Aug-31-06 09:59 PM   #40 
  - Its about the LAW, not party agendas.  PresidentWar   Aug-31-06 10:02 PM   #41 
  - I think this is about pulling our country out of a tailspin.  BullGooseLoony   Sep-01-06 02:53 AM   #59 
     - You do that by enforcing the LAW.  PresidentWar   Sep-01-06 02:40 PM   #84 
        - #1- We don't even have any executive power! How do we ENFORCE  BullGooseLoony   Sep-01-06 05:03 PM   #93 
           - You are confused about the process.  PresidentWar   Sep-01-06 05:13 PM   #94 
              - That's not the point. I'm talking about law more generally.  BullGooseLoony   Sep-01-06 05:27 PM   #97 
                 - ....what the hell are you talking about?  PresidentWar   Sep-02-06 02:17 PM   #108 
  - Investigating and impeaching war criminals  Jack Rabbit   Aug-31-06 10:10 PM   #42 
  - the truth is hard to hear sometimes  onenote   Aug-31-06 10:30 PM   #45 
  - There is only one flaw with your reasoning.  William769   Aug-31-06 11:04 PM   #52 
     - what other avenues?  onenote   Sep-01-06 06:07 AM   #63 
  - Does anyone remember when they impeached Clinton?  TheFarseer   Aug-31-06 10:36 PM   #47 
  - There is one difference. Clinton was innocent.  William769   Aug-31-06 11:05 PM   #53 
  - Bush ain't no Clinton!  Independent_Liberal   Sep-01-06 12:00 AM   #57 
  - If you don't toe the line on impeachment and crucifixion of Bush,  elocs   Aug-31-06 10:39 PM   #48 
  - I just want accountability...  Just-plain-Kathy   Aug-31-06 11:08 PM   #54 
  - Yes, you're right. We can hold them accountable  BullGooseLoony   Sep-01-06 02:55 AM   #60 
  - We sorely need a thorough set of hearings on a range of topics.  pa28   Aug-31-06 11:17 PM   #55 
  - The Judge ruled he committed HIGH CRIMES & MISDEMEANORS  upi402   Aug-31-06 11:36 PM   #56 
  - ONLY if all of them are going straight to the Hague for war crimes  niyad   Sep-01-06 02:51 AM   #58 
  - What Is Your "Magic Solution" to "Rule by Signing Statement" ??  Senator   Sep-01-06 03:05 AM   #61 
  - Progressive legislation? Yeah right, Bush wouldn't sign it and ...  ToeBot   Sep-01-06 03:08 AM   #62 
  - fine. we'd have their votes and vetoes to run against in 08  onenote   Sep-01-06 06:09 AM   #64 
  - Unlike some parties, we can walk and chew gum at the same time.  Vinca   Sep-01-06 07:59 AM   #65 
  - Wrong. Impeach the bastard....at least.  spanone   Sep-01-06 08:04 AM   #66 
  - It's not a "move", it's the law.  leesa   Sep-01-06 08:54 AM   #68 
  - Exactly! (It's not a "move", it's the law.)  PBass   Sep-01-06 09:03 AM   #69 
  - I agree...  SaveElmer   Sep-01-06 09:14 AM   #72 
  - Impeachment could only be viewed as partisan BEFORE an investigation.  PBass   Sep-01-06 09:23 AM   #73 
  - You are forgetting...  SaveElmer   Sep-01-06 09:34 AM   #74 
     - Which Top Democrats are saying all of this about the media?  Dr Fate   Sep-01-06 12:08 PM   #79 
  - So the media will be fair to us on those issues, but not on impeachment?  Dr Fate   Sep-01-06 12:21 PM   #81 
  - Impeachment will drench the GOP and kill their poll numbers  CollegeDUer   Sep-01-06 09:42 AM   #75 
  - I can can sleep at night!  lisainmilo   Sep-01-06 11:26 AM   #76 
  - I say we at least investigate the bastards...  Dr Fate   Sep-01-06 12:03 PM   #78 
  - Impeachment didn't 'hurt' the repugs any  MiaCulpa   Sep-01-06 02:40 PM   #85 
  - In fact, they won the following 3 election cycles after that.  Dr Fate   Sep-01-06 02:45 PM   #86 
     - actually, the repubs lost ground post-impeachment  onenote   Sep-01-06 03:20 PM   #87 
        - Impeachment ...  Marrak   Sep-01-06 03:47 PM   #88 
        - What is our excuse/cop-out for not at least holding investigations?  Dr Fate   Sep-01-06 03:59 PM   #90 
           - Can you imagine the clusterf**k ...  Marrak   Sep-01-06 05:24 PM   #96 
        - Bush won the Whitehouse in 2000. The GOP won in 2002 & in '04  Dr Fate   Sep-01-06 03:58 PM   #89 
           - what part of my post couldn't you follow  onenote   Sep-01-06 04:07 PM   #92 
           - No kidding! All that Florida unpleasantness was a dream then...  robbedvoter   Sep-02-06 02:28 PM   #109 
  - Start the Hearings on every thing they've done... stretch it out...  Rosco T.   Sep-01-06 05:15 PM   #95 
  - Fuck No! Impeachment Is REQUIRED of this asswipe.  ThomWV   Sep-01-06 05:48 PM   #99 
  - i agree 100,000% - impeach that asshat and his buddies  Freeusfromthechurch   Sep-02-06 02:44 AM   #107 
  - yes and no  paulk   Sep-01-06 06:01 PM   #100 
  - With a Dem House, Conyers should immediately hold  ProudDad   Sep-01-06 06:56 PM   #101 
  - Conyers has a spine!  Independent_Liberal   Sep-01-06 10:51 PM   #104 
  - Very interesting post.  clark08   Sep-01-06 08:11 PM   #102 
  - Impeachment is not a "political game."  Sparkly   Sep-01-06 11:00 PM   #105 
  - impeachment  SeaBob   Sep-01-06 08:27 PM   #103 
  - Not if there are enough votes FOR it  Ouabache   Sep-01-06 11:06 PM   #106 
  - They've committed crimes and must be held accountable.  El Fuego   Sep-02-06 02:51 PM   #114 
 

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