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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-27-06 08:53 PM
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5. According to Wes Clark, it was an effort started long ago by PNAC
that didn't turn out the way that they had envisioned (5 year campaign, starting with Iraq-establish bases there and move to other countries in the ME)...and so now, we're kind of stuck there....cause we've opened Pandora's box....and if we leave, it explodes.....and if we stay, we and the Iraqis keep dying.


CLARK: ...I think, you know, a guy like Bill Kristol, what he sees is that Secretary Rumsfelds plan is not unfolding the way that the neocons thought it should unfold in the Middle East. This was supposed to be like a scaffold. You know, you just go in there and carve out Saddam Hussein, boom, the people are liberated. And theyre all democratic. And then the Syrians jump on board and say, hey, by golly, come and save us too. And then the Iranians and the Lebanese.

It hasnt worked that way, because what the neocons didnt understand is, that you dont get the kind of Democratic reform you want in the Middle East at the barrel of a gun. And theyre holding Rumsfeld responsible for that. But really, its a flawed conception.

MATTHEWS: Thats interesting. Youre the first person Ive heard say that, general. Because a lot of people look at it much more narrowly and they say the reason were getting criticism of the general is there arent enough troops there. He said he had enough troops, when really in reality, it was the conception that justified the low troop level. Is that your point? That you did not need a lot of troops, because you werent going to face much of an insurgency.

CLARK: .....One is the point of the neocons, which is not military at all. It is the point of the operation and the fact that you could sort of go in there and lance the boil of Saddam Hussein, get him out of there and everything would turn out OK. And it hasnt."

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  -Here's what I want to know about Iraq. chieftain  Aug-27-06 08:08 PM   #0 
  - PNAC, Carlyle & Bilderberg had major influence on events...  Earth_First   Aug-27-06 08:17 PM   #1 
  - who says it was a plan?  unblock   Aug-27-06 08:21 PM   #2 
  - I take your point about the fact that there did not have to be  chieftain   Aug-27-06 08:38 PM   #4 
     - follow the money  unblock   Aug-27-06 09:08 PM   #7 
     - I think these people also believed in their own lies  TayTay   Aug-27-06 09:37 PM   #12 
  - Several problems  Donna Zen   Aug-27-06 08:21 PM   #3 
  - According to Wes Clark, it was an effort started long ago by PNAC  FrenchieCat   Aug-27-06 08:53 PM   #5 
  - For a full and concise expl. read Fiasco/Tom Hicks  MichiganVote   Aug-27-06 09:04 PM   #6 
  - So what did he conclude.......?  FrenchieCat   Aug-27-06 09:09 PM   #8 
  - He concluded; (I haven't finished it yet)  MichiganVote   Aug-28-06 08:13 AM   #14 
  - I just finished the book and as good as much of it is,  chieftain   Aug-27-06 09:16 PM   #9 
     - Yes, I thought Hicks's was vague w/ regard to Bremer too. Galbraith  MichiganVote   Aug-28-06 08:02 AM   #13 
        - I think you are right about W not being the decider he plays  chieftain   Aug-28-06 10:58 AM   #15 
           - Bush is a pretender. His idea of management is the same as any  MichiganVote   Aug-28-06 02:25 PM   #17 
              - I'd say a view of *'s administration skills  newspeak   Aug-28-06 04:54 PM   #18 
  - It was a bad idea from start to finish  Jacobin   Aug-27-06 09:19 PM   #10 
  - The military planned on decapitation.  igil   Aug-27-06 09:26 PM   #11 
  - Some realities:  Mayberry Machiavelli   Aug-28-06 11:09 AM   #16 
     - yes, I agree  newspeak   Aug-28-06 05:03 PM   #19 

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